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I was lurking in the CS thread just before, in the aftermath of the CSF stuff, and saw someone had posed some questions for SFers, but they weren’t sure if they could even ask them, so I’m posting a response in here…
Do people in here who frequent or lurk in the SF thread, think I could ask them a few questions & NOT receive answers based on how it’s relates to CS? (Q = How do they feel about the 8:15 Emma/Henry/Neal thing, after the events of this last ep & Do they want to see Neal reconcile with his past more {as in accepting what he was & what he went through, like Emma had too in NL}, before he gets into a serious relationship?) I only want answers as they relate to their own ship not ours though (I dont want to be told it means nothing to CS because etc. I am really curious as to what they think now (I know some felt 8:15 was important when I read the thread of doom/CSF). I have asked on another site I frequent (which has a mix of SF & CS shippers, but they never really felt 8:15am had any real SF connections in the 1st place, so couldnt give me an answer lol & are split pretty 50/50 on whether a day or 2 is enough to honestly have accepted & move past feeling as he does). I dont want them to feel like I’m wanting them to defend their ship or anything, but I am really curious, if they feel about Neal, how we felt about Hook (to begin with).
The 8:15 has typically been used in relation to things directly involving Emma, Henry, or Neal, so this is just another one to chalk up on the list.
The more significant symbolic things about the ending scene is firstly that she’s in NYC. The last time we saw her, she was living in Boston, so why the change in location? To the same city Neal had been living in. The city where they met again in Manhattan. This ep was titled Going Home. SF had dreams of setting up a proper home. Their final exchange before Neal got out of the Bug and ended up running into August was:
Neal: Tallahassee, baby. We’re almost home.
(Neal exits the car with the bag.)
Emma: Home…
And now, Emma and Henry have made their home in NYC of all places. Even without her new memories, she has been drawn to the place where Neal lived, and it has become her home. NYC is like the new Tallahassee.
Also, the song choice is pretty blatant. If they didn’t intend to show a SF connection, they would not have played that song. In both instances, with Neal and with Emma, the song cuts out immediately before the messenger (postcard/Hook) with news of the Curse arrives. This is a blatant and direct parallel between the two characters.
The fact that they bothered to write in those connections, which exist even though Emma doesn’t currently have her new memories of Neal, screams to me that they are undeniably, irrevocably connected, and are destined to be close to each other, and together.
As far as Neal reconciling with his past before moving on, I assume you mean Tamara, because you also ask if a couple of days is really enough time to get over it, and he’s had plenty of time to reconcile all the other crap he’s had to go through in his life.
I would have liked at the very least a scene where he was told the details of how Tamara was the one who kidnapped Henry, and how it was his father who killed her. The fact that we got none of that suggests that anything to do with him learning about and reacting to Tamara’s final actions, just happened off screen. Which is kind of annoying, because it’s something that would be worthwhile showing his reaction to, but it also means that yes, he has addressed it in some way, so I don’t really consider it a huge issue with him moving on.
He may have loved Tamara, but he also never stopped loving Emma. A big part of why he didn’t go to SB, and instead carried on with Tamara, is because he didn’t believe he’d have a chance with Emma anyway, because he’d never forgiven himself, so he had no reason to expect that Emma would forgive him, and seeing him again would only serve to hurt her, which he didn’t want to do because he still loved her and had hurt her enough. (Now that I’m thinking about it, that attitude is similar to Emma not being able to believe in the good moments, always expecting the doom. And because this is something that Neal did experience through the Tamara mess, it contributes to how he was able to stand strong for Emma at the town line, and tell her that it was gonna be OK and they’d make it through and see each other again. He was a bit Charming-esque in basically telling her that this is just one of those twists and turns that they’ll inevitably be faced with in life. Anyway, I digress….)
So he gave into his fear of facing Emma, and stuck with Tamara instead. Tamara was always his second choice, if he could have been with Emma, he would have, so I daresay they might have actually been some sense of relief for him when he discovered that Tamara was evil, and he no longer had any obligation to try and stand by her, and deny his feelings for Emma.
It’s really not as straightforward as, “Neal was gonna marry someone else a week ago, so there’s no way he could be ready to move on already.” It’s a very unusual circumstance, with a complicated clash of emotions. Jane Espenson once said that in TV, fiancees are like walls, they can be moved out of the way. Tamara’s true self being revealed was, more than anything else, an obstacle for SF being moved out of the way. They made her as horrible as possible so that no one would mourn her, including Neal himself.
I’d have liked to see a scene where he had a moment of, “How could I have been so stupid,” because once again, he got the crap end of the stick in life. But on the other hand, the fact that we didn’t see him beating himself up like that indicates that he’s learning and growing and gaining strength through his struggles, which is an admirable thing.
[adrotate group="5"]She WILL remember that eventually though! Have faith. I refuse to believe that they’re going to erase that entire part of her history somehow and that all the growth that Emma has had as a character in the last 2.5 years is going to be washed away. She WILL remember what she did and what he did FOR her, and it will be an important realization between her and Neal when they finally get to talk about their past and hope for their future.
I love how they’ve written this story in that the Curse is what brought them together, and also what tore them apart, and in the end it’s given them this shared experience and understanding that can bond them together completely and forever. That which made them, and tried to destroy them, will ultimately make them stronger. That’s a bloody good story, that is. Dare I say, it’s poetic.
I will be LIVID if it happens any other way because it would be a total cop out and while they do tend to forget some things, this is something way too big to brush under the couch. Don’t let me down writers!!
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General announcement from yours truly.
It was worth a shot. *sigh* At least now your blood pressure can go down a bit. And your blood sugar can go up, because *ALL THE COOKIES COMING YOUR WAY*
I think the single one reason why I prefer Neal for Emma over Hook is that Neal has RESPECT for other women that AREN’T EMMA.
Because he’s just a decent, compassionate, selfless, respectful guy. And after all the crap he’s been through in life, he’s done pretty well to hold onto those good virtues and not just go dark, which shows incredible strength of character. He’s kind of great. 🙂
If Hook’s answer to emotionally hurting because of Emma is to get drunk and throw himself at the first attractive woman he sees, then CaptainSwan is going to have a big problem.
THIS. And I can’t help but think that that’s why they even wrote that scene, to illustrate what an unhealthy relationship they would likely have. Not only is that event unhealthy in and of itself, but it’s also showing him completely contradict what he’d said about winning her heart without trickery.
I also suspect that Nealfire will be very caring and protective of his step-mama, Belle. She just lost the love of her life, and Neal is the only connection she has left to Rumple. I’d love to see Rumple and Belle form a family unit where she is like a sister figure to him. I could see them teaming up to help save Rumple in the second half of S3.
That gif used to make me so happy. Now it hurts! Thank God that Belle and Neal still have each other.
The episode was called “Going HOME” and everyone got back to the Enchanted Forest, while Emma CHOSE New York
(and charlie’s girl as wake up song xD I’m really starting to think it’s their song)http://nealfirescoconuts.tumblr.com/post/70485881417/the-episode-was-called-going-home-and-everyone
You want your happy ending, move as far away from our heroes as physically possible. Maybe Bhutan?
Well, August tried Phuket and even that wasn’t far enough to escape the impending doom. Maybe try the moon? That might almost be far enough. 😛
Emma has already admitted that it’s easier to run from Neal than it is to face her feelings for him. At some point you stop doing the easy thing and do the hard one because, hard though it may be, it’s the right thing to do.
Which is something we just saw with Rumple, and also Regina, so I do believe they’ll address it with Emma and Neal as well.
I was thinking some more about the promo before, and ended up getting giddy, because it really does seem like their dreamcatcher will be a vital key to the puzzle of her remembering, which leads to the breaking of a curse. The power of SF, working to break a curse, even when they’re apart. The last time we saw Emma in an ep named after NYC, she saw that thing and was stunned, and the next time we see Emma in an ep named after NYC, she’s gonna see that thing and be stunned, and I just really need for it to be March already!
Not gonna lie…I wept so hard at this scene! Lana Parrilla, JMo, and Ginny just completely stole it and hit it out of the ballpark! So glad to see interaction between just Regina, Emma, and Snow! It was wonderful, and the family feels! A grandmother, and her stepdaughter, and her grandstep-daughter! The feels!
Regina’s storyline in this ep was wonderful. The way she finally accepted Emma, accepted the price for her wrongdoings, and gave Emma and Henry their new life together. Crazy amount of character development for her. Loved it.
Does anyone else wonder where the peasants are? Do they even know what is about to happen? Did someone tell them?
Won’t someone think of the peasants?!?! Maybe that’s why Red isn’t at the town line, she’s off informing everyone. 😛 (Seriously though, her absence was kinda glaring in this ep. Sucks they couldn’t get her back for it.)
I wonder if this soul switching business is a power that belonged exclusively to the Black Fairy, like her special superpower? And if so, did she abuse that power, and that’s what got her exiled? And if so, whose souls was she messing with?
BTW-After posting that I wasn’t going to let anything get me down today, I stupidly went to TV Fanatic because I was curious if anyone responded to my post there, and two tools basically called me stupid for thinking that SF had any chance since ‘clearly the show is setting up CS as endgame’ and that I was ‘setting myself up for disappointment’. It took all my strength not to post anything back to either of them, especially to point out that S3 Hook is a weenie and not at all like S2 Hook who they totally disregarded in their posts to me, and point out all my other reasons for having hope. We’ll see who’s disappointed when it’s all said and done and I still believe it won’t be me. 🙂
*HUGS* Try not to let them get you down. I believe our little ship with be pretty well satisfied when all is said and done!
Yeah, they could take it either way. Having the previous Curse conditions still in effect makes the characters suffer more though, and they love to make their characters suffer.
