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Zombie Alice?! (what was that)
It was creepy as all getout is what it was!
Jafar cutting off the rabbit’s foot
When he held that foot up…just, NO. I do not like Jafar.
Also do not like Anastasia. She can have an unhappy ending, please and thank you.
[adrotate group="5"]Just posted this in another thread too, but assuming that little girl is Alice’s sister, she could be the one that Jafar is going after now.
I’d love for it to be a crossover to Once, but think her father is more likely.
Or perhaps, judging by the promo for next week, her younger sister?
This is the Googlemaps street view of the location they were shooting at…
Doesn’t match Neal’s building…
Or the bar…
I wandered around in the street view a bit, but don’t think there’s anything matchy from Manhattan.
You’d think that if they were gonna go on a trip to NYC, they’d have made Hook change clothes. But he does appear to be wearing the hand attachment, instead of the hook, so maybe they are outside of SB?
Tumblr post that makes an excellent point about understanding Neal…
Emma: Did you know who I was when we met?
Neal: If I had I never would have gone near you.
Emma: Come on…
Neal: Come on? Come on what? I was in hiding. I came here to get.. away .. away …from all that…crap.2X14, Manhattan
Looking back at this scene I think it paints a very different picture than what audiences first were lead to believe. At the time that this episode aired many people thought that Neal was hiding from his father. But, knowing what we know now, it looks like he was in hiding for a completely different reason. Not his father. Pan, the lost boys, home office, whatever you want to call them. The guy spent over a hundred years living in a cave/prisoner of Pan’s. He finally escaped and even though we don’t know the specifics of how he did (whether or not he did it on his own or Pan let him), we do know that he believed he escaped.
I think it’s safe to assume that Neal thought they might come after him again. Which is why he was hiding. Which is why he ran when he heard “package for 407” over the intercom of his apartment.
Knowing what we know now I refuse to accept that Neal left Emma because he was afraid of his father as a valid argument. There was something/someone out there that terrified him far more than his father and his daddy issues. And it is a real threat. One he endured for a very long time. Does it make him leaving Emma with no notice OK? No. But, I think remembering this information can allow people to understand his character much better now.
The bread crumbs have been littered all over the place on Neal’s character for those who wish to pay attention. I am hoping for an actual episode sometime that explores more of this.
I think the death is Pan. The “beloved” part is probably off target.
The VCF spoiler about a beloved character dying came a couple of days before they shot the Pan stuff in the street. It was implied that someone else dies before Pan does.
and my whole fandom thesis is that we like who we like because it’s a move from sympathy to empathy. Once you’ve aligned yourself with a character as more than just “oh I feel sorry for them” but rather “I understand them because in a way I am them” then their struggles becomes your struggles and if they can’t get a happy ending then there is no hope for you.
This! I was gonna mention the empathy thing, but I see RG beat me to it. Basically, I think Neal is a character who demands sympathy and empathy, because of all the crap he’s had happen to him, the sacrifices he’s made, and the lonliness he’s felt since he was 14, which was actually a couple hundred years ago, and in that time he’s had two blips of a familial love with someone, the Darlings and Emma, and both times fate didn’t allow him to keep his happiness and he had to actually step up and leave the people he loved, for their own sake.
I think if a viewer allows themselves to truly sympathise and empathise, and see things from Neal’s point of view, then they will inevitably want the poor guy to finally get his happy ending, and this season so far, he’s been, “Emma, Emma, Emma, love, love, love, Emma is the love of my life.” Therefore, if you let yourself really get Neal…by rights, you’ll want him to end up with Emma. (At the risk of sounding blunt, it’s probably easier for CSers to feel positive towards Bae as a kid, because that version of the character wasn’t a threat.)
Not everyone who dislikes Neal ships CS, (the person who runs the anti-CS tumblr isn’t a huge Neal fan, though they’ll defend him if CSers blatantly ignore canon facts about what he has and hasn’t done in an attempt to paint him as the devil), so it’s certainly possible for someone to just dislike Neal for non-ship reasons. But I think the case of people who DO ship CS and don’t like Neal, might have something with that whole resisting the sympathy/empathy thing.
And if you’re resisting feeling that for him, then you’re just not going to want to peel back the layers and see the complexities in him, and appreciate that he IS still that same person, he has the same strengths, and the same wounds.
Despite all he’s been through, the fact that he was living in a Manhattan apartment means that he pulled his life together, which is evidence of incredible strength. Imagine living for 200+ years, thinking fate has it in for you because the couple of times you almost had happiness, you had to give it up. What would even be the point of going on living if you’re not fated to ever have happiness stick, no matter how long you live for? So though he has his weaknesses, fears, hopelessness, which are all products of how many times life has crapped on him, he should be admired for also having the strength to have not just given up on life. Him changing his life to end up in Manhattan, even though we haven’t seen how it happened, it shows just as much strength as he had when he tossed that bean on the ground, way back when, if not moreso, considering how much more he’s endured since then. The fact that all that suffering hasn’t turned him into a horrible, aggressive person, is also testament to his strength.
rumplegoldfan, you might wanna check out ScrewballNinja’s Nealfire essay: http://screwballninja.tumblr.com/post/56885787912/whats-a-baelfire-and-why-does-it-whats-the
they were inside a building! I still think its Neal’s apt but who knows?
I checked her tweets to see how the convo started, so just to clarify, she did reply to Adam’s 312 script tweet…
@AdamHorowitzLA ahhh! Now I get why they were filming in that location yesterday! Hahahah :):)
— Katrina (@katmtan) November 14, 2013
So judging by that, they’ve probably started 312 now.Oh, and that looks like Charming’s butt to me.
Just think! We have till March to ponder this title’s meaning! Why, oh, why did they have to release it. I would have been happier without it. 👿
Life can be so cruel sometimes. *sigh*
Listening to the song, I can almost see Neal scenes play out in my head, when he first gets to NYC and is trying to find his feet. The #notwhatyouthink thing is curious though, because he probably figured that everyone would instantly jump to the conclusion that this will be about Neal in NYC. Maybe they’re pulling another Tallahassee and the city in the title won’t actually be seen in the ep? Maybe it could be Neal’s life between Emma and NYC, when he was choosing a new city to turn into his dream instead of Tallahassee, and he’s heard all about NYC and the idea of it is seducing, (serenading) him.
