Forum Replies Created
-
Posts
-
Was posting in another thread mentioning Rufio just before, and it reminded me how they’ve said they plan to have a nod to the character in the show. Could that nod be Devin?
[adrotate group="5"]Yes, I’ve always thought that Wendy founded THO. Hadn’t made the connection that PP could have foreseen that, but it would totally fit. He had to give Wendy enough inspiration to set it up, and taking her to NL then sending her back and swapping her for Bae was the perfect manipulation of her emotions, plus it exposed her to magic, so she had something and someone specific in mind to fight against.
They won’t use the name Rufio, though. That character is owned by the movie studio that made Hook, so they’d have to get the rights if they wanted to use it on OUAT.
Oh so now Regina is his mother? She has done nothing but love that boy, and yes she was strict! What mother isn’t? And anything or anyone she has loved has been taken from her, so excuse her for being a bit paranoid when Emma came to town! Not to mention that this is the same boy that constantly has shown how much he hates her, and rebellious towards her!
Regina has always been his mother, but I don’t think she’s always been a good mother, and it hasn’t always been safe for Henry to be in her custody.
I imagine she was great mother and they had a great relationship until the day when…
Henry: Mom, I’ve noticed something lately. All the kids who were in my class 2 years ago, they’re still in the same grade, but I’m not. And I’m a lot taller than them now. Why is that?
Regina: Don’t be silly dear, you’re just imagining things.
Henry: No I’m not, really mom, it’s weird. Why is it happening? Why am I different? Am I some kind of freak?
Regina: I’ll make you an appointment with Dr Hopper.That’s when she began emotionally abusing him and their relationship just kept going downhill from there. She knew the truth and the answers he needed, and instead she insisted he was delusional and sent him to a shrink. She had her reasons, she was understandably terrified of him learning the truth, but that doesn’t excuse her mistreatment of him.
Then he got clued in and figured the truth out for himself. He discovered who his mother really is. Now she wasn’t just the one who was making him feel crazy, she was also a murderer and an evil witch. If any kid discovered that their parent was a murderer, I’d expect that child to be afraid and not want to be around their parent. So Henry needed someone else, another parental figure he would feel safe with, and he figured out that his bio mother was the child of Snow and Charming, and was destined to be a hero who was gonna save everyone.
Adopted mother – killed and cursed an untold number of people.
Bio mother – destined Saviour who’s gonna help an untold number of people.
I know which option I’d feel safer having around, so I can’t fault Henry for bringing Emma into their lives.Yes, of course it’s understandable that Regina was paranoid when that happened, because she’s lost love before and that loss destroyed her. But it wasn’t just that fear of losing him that drove her actions, it was also in large part because she desperately needed to keep her secret and not have the Curse broken, not have good win, not have Snow and Charming reunited and happy. And because of all of that, her son suffered.
He wants to go with his real mother, I say Regina hands him over! Less problems and stress on her part. Why fight and love a child who does nothing but spit in your face,
She’s loved him his entire life, the best way she knew how. And even though she keeps digging herself in deeper, somewhere inside she knows that she’s doing wrong, and Henry is justified in being confused and scared about their relationship. To quote Regina herself…
“I don’t know how to love very well. I wasn’t capable of it for a very long time, but I know I remember… If you hold onto someone too hard, that doesn’t make them love you. I’m sorry I lied to you. And that I made you feel like I didn’t know who you are. But I want you to be here, because you want to be here. Not because I forced you, and not because of magic. I want to redeem myself.”That proves that she does actually have the capacity to see reason. She is capable of being self aware and acknowledging that she’s screwed up. She can even acknowledge that her past relationship with her mother is now impacting her own relationship with her son in the same negative ways. She’s just gotta be able to make the right decisions if she’s gonna take that self awareness and turn it into positive change. The fact that she can look at herself in that light though, is what proves there’s still hope for her.
This future romance will with any luck nurture any scrap of positivity she has in her life, (which I imagine will be more than just a scrap after she’s proven herself by helping to save Henry in NL), and if she’s got some positive energy in her life for a change, then with any luck she’ll start moving in a more stable and healthy direction. Just as negativity breeds more negativity, so will positivity breed more positivity. Positivity hasn’t exactly had a chance to get a strong foothold in her life.
True Regina has done her bad deeds, but that’s before the curse.
Arranging for Kathryn to die, (not what happened, but it’s what Regina had intended to happen), and framing someone, Henry’s grandmother no less, for the murder, and then having her pawn Sidney locked up for something she herself did, is a string of very bad deeds, and that all happened after she’d cast the Curse.
He didn’t even run to check to see if Regina was alright in 2×09 when she absorbed all of that thunder and lighting, but ran straight to Emma!
He hadn’t seen Emma for a while and had been living each day not knowing if she was dead or alive or if he’d ever see her again. So yes, he ran to her when he saw she was safe, and that was a perfectly natural reaction IMO. And it’s not like he ignored Regina in that scene, in fact, he told them, “She saved you. She saved both of you.” Despite the fact that moments earlier, she’d been prepared to restrain him kicking and screaming as he watched his mother and grandmother fried right in front of him, he still made sure it was known that she’d saved them.
And he instantly turned against her when they thought Archie was dead without even wanting to hear her side of the story!
Henry wasn’t told anything about Archie until after they’d got what they thought was definitive proof. He was surely told the proof they had, and he knows that magic works, and he trusts Emma, and she’s the one who did the magic that revealed the evidence. All things considered, it seemed like a pretty open and shut case.
Then Regina went into hiding, so even if Henry had wanted to speak to her about it, he couldn’t, because he didn’t know where she was. Going into hiding made her look even more guilty. Henry didn’t want to believe that she’d done it, but the evidence was simply undeniable. So when Archie showed up and Henry went from, “We need an armoury to protect ourselves from her” to “I knew she didn’t do it,” in one scene, that was him being relieved that he now had new evidence that his mother hadn’t actually killed his friend, just like he’d hoped all along.
Regina was in hiding for the events of 2 full eps after she’d watched as Henry was told about Archie. She didn’t come out of hiding until after Henry had left town. So it’s unfair to give him grief for not having gone to her for her side of the story, because it was her own fault that he didn’t know where she was to be able to go and talk to her. She could have let them arrest her while still proclaiming her innocence, and there could have been a supervised visit at the Sheriff station where she could see Henry and tell her side of the story. Instead, she isolated herself, which played right into Cora’s hands.
Regina’s life story is tragic, but she’s not completely blameless for the hot mess she’s ended up in, or for how people see her. She can say, “I’m the Queen, you’re the ones who added Evil to my name,” all she wants, but the fact is, if you go around ordering the slaughter of innocent peasants in your attempt to murder your innocent step-daughter…that’s pretty evil.
So true!
Your simple description (PP wants Rumple to cast the curse; no curse=no Henry) opens up a world of possibilities. That small tidbit could change everything we thought we knew about everyone.Seeing Henry in that pic totally flipped the whole point of this show on its head.
Other than that, I believe that Rumpel could most possibly have been a Lost Boy. A and E have said multiple times that Neverland is a place to confront the past before they can move on to the future. So honestly, I can’t see this “confrontation” being completely about Bae once again. I’d rather believe that he had been a Lost Boy, therefore had been in Neverland once as a child, once to find Bae, and now.
I’m not convinced he went there searching for Bae, but YES to everything else you said there. If they’re making these characters confront and evaluate who they truly are, then showing Rumple have to reflect on his whole life, all the way back to his childhood, before he was corrupted in any way, is a must IMO. We’ve seen backstory on the youth of Snow, Emma, and Regina. They’ve said we’ll be seeing more of Charming’s past, and we’re gonna start delving into Hook’s youth in 305. They can’t leave Rumple out if all the rest will be dealing with this sort of stuff.
I would feel that the plot could go in more directions if it wasn’t the standard “Rumpel has screwed up once again because he screwed someone over while putting together a master plan to get Bae.” That arc of showing how Rumpel found Bae ended with Cora’s death. Cora literally brought Regina, the curse caster, into existence. Rather, as a big finale to the Rumpel and Son arc, I would like to find that somehow, by associating with Peter Pan, before Bae even existed, he had cursed his and his son’s life from the very beginning.
Agreed. These are major arcs for the overall mythology of the show, but if they’re not concluded at some point, it’ll just drag the show down.
What you say about the arc of Rumple finding Bae being concluded with Cora’s death is a good point. The bulk of the first 2 seasons was discovering bits and pieces about Rumple’s manipulations that led to the Curse happening so he could get to where Bae was. Regina was a vital part of that, and Rumple got involved with Cora in the first place because he knew her child was gonna help him cast his Curse. That’s all been dealt with now, right down to Rumple and Cora’s association being concluded with her death. We don’t need to see any more of Rumple manipulating Regina, or anyone else, to help him cast the Curse and get to Bae.
If the Dark One is about to be undone in the near future, we need to see how it began. Same story structure as Cora dying after we’d seen how her part in Rumple’s story began.
The next phase in Rumple and Bae’s story is us learning exactly how and why they were torn apart in the first place so they can fully understand it themselves. We know it was the Dark One who came between them, but was it just bad luck that the Dark One came to Rumple? On a show that talks about fate and destiny, I doubt it. If they show us a reason for it, show how the cycle of destruction began, that will allow them to bring it full circle and have Rumple and Bae actually understand why their relationship was so screwed, which they need to be able to do if they’re gonna be able to make peace with each other. Making it a story about how their fate was doomed even before Bae was conceived, because Rumple had a run in with PP, would provide for some EPIC tragedy to conclude this arc of the show while they’re in NL.
I’m not suggesting they’ll instantly be happy, friendly, BFFs, there’s still gotta be some drama and tension, but I think that revealing the WHY of it all is important if the characters and storylines will be able to progress in a satisfying way. If we’re gonna move on to adventures in Oz in the future, it’s pointless to have the finer points of how Rumple and Bae became estranged still unresolved and dangling in the wind. That particular story arc needs to be wrapped up.
Book title is The Sorcerer’s Apprentice, but the other writing doesn’t show up in the screencap.
Disney’s Fantasia is based on the symphonic poem The Sorcerer’s Apprentice by Paul Dukas, which was inspired by the ballad The Sorcerer’s Apprentice by Johann Wolfgang von Goethe. Dunno that either of those names are on the cover, but the illustration on the wiki page for it looks like the pic on the cover of the book:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_sorcerer%27s_apprenticeI like this as a fantasy story element, but I’m not sure it fits OUAT. Zoso was so desperate to escape his curse that I can’t see him choosing to be a slave to his successor. Of course, he might not have known about this clause in the contract.
Maybe that’s why Wraiths are so mean and angry, because they thought they were gonna be set free, but nope, just more of the same. Zoso wasn’t big on full disclosure when he was talking Rumple into stabbing him, so it’d be some nice karma if Zoso had a surprise in store for himself, too.
Tamara’s not dead yet.
Yeah, that tweet implies that her story arc isn’t over yet. I think Greg may bite the big one in 301, but they still have more to tell with Tamara.
Just ran into Baelfire’sactor, Dylan Schmid, on the ferry over to Vancouver, aka the filiming location of Once Upon A Time. Hmmm…
Think he actually lives in Vancouver, doesn’t he? But considering 304 is a Rumple ep, it wouldn’t surprise me at all if we get Bae flashbacks to parallel with Rumple in present day.
I would imagine they would need to cover Bae’s time in Neverland sooner rather than later. Dylan’s growing up and since Bae was in a land where you’re not supposed to age that could present a problem.
Indeed! Am thinking 304 could cover the bulk of his time in NL, and a Nealfire centric before mid-season could cover his escape and landing in our world. Then Dylan can grow up all he wants and we can maybe get flashbacks to delinquent teen Nealfire learning how to get by in our world at some point.
I personally believe it’s Robin Hood, and I’m sticking with it till they dismiss it. RumplesGirl, that was a pretty awesome abbreviation with ReHo! Now we got something to call them! ReHo or RegalHood!!
There have been a few posts on tumblr with name suggestions for the ship, and there are a bunch of suggestions, basically any combo of Queen, Regal, Hood, Arrow, Outlaw, etc. Time will tell which one catches on, though RegalHood is now embedded in my brain.
After reading the one tweet I believe that Tamara is going to try to figure out how to right everything she has done when she realizes what the HO’s, aka, PP agenda was. Maybe Regina lets Tamara die and chooses to save Henry. It would be hard for RH to forgive her in that type of situation.
If they plan to go for the triple whammy: Tamara is Robin’s child + Regina is involved with Tamara’s death + Regina and Robin fall in love, then this would probably be the best way to go about having Regina involved in the death. Even if Robin was upset over his daughter dying, if it was a situation where Regina had to save Henry, I doubt he’d hold it against her.
I do not think some other child is going to fix what is wrong with her and I would hate the storyline if it implies that Henry having other parents is the reason Regina cannot love Henry as “her own”. He is “her own”, but she is not his only parent. Her inability to understand this is a problem.
Yes, Regina needs to learn about how shared custody is a thing and that it can work. They won’t write off her relationship with Henry by giving her a different kid. She was his mother for 10 years, and while I don’t believe she has any real legal claim to him because the adoption process was bogus, and while I may think she’s been way outta line and a terrible mother to him in recent times, she’s still been his mother for his whole life, they have a legit parent/child relationship, and it needs to be sorted out so that it can be functional and healthy.
Now if rescuing a Lost Boy helps her realize how badly she’s treated Henry since Emma’s arrival, that’s a different matter.
There’s a post of mine buried in a thread God only knows where now, but I basically said that maybe if she sees the Lost Boys in NL, and how sad they are, it’ll be like a slap in the face for her, and she’ll realise that’s how she makes Henry feel when she tries to keep him from the other side of his family.
obisgirl, did you track down a copy of the panel yet? I’ve got it downloaded as an mp4 so should be able to upload it somewhere like that Videobam site if anyone needs it.
Not only is she the product of true love, but Emma is true love personified. Emma isn’t just magical; she IS magic in human form. When Rumple took the hairs from her parents to make a true love potion, he put a drop of that potion on the scroll on which the Dark Curse was written. It was his “safety-valve” so that Emma would be the Savior. The same DNA which Rumple used to create the true love potion to bring magic to SB is Emma’s very essence. She is the the most powerful form of magic.
THIS!
But here’s the thing: none of the people who can do magic were born with it–not Rumple, not Cora, not Regina. All three of those people had to either be taught or, in Rumple’s case, were cursed. Just EMMA is naturally magical. Emma is living magic; her entire being is magic. And that I think may be the biggest piece of evidence (no matter how small that evidence is) that Henry might have some natural magic in him.
Yes! Emma’s very presence in SB started things changing. The powerlines sparked when she first got out of the Bug, the clock ticked when she stayed, the ground shook when she put on the Sheriff’s badge, when Graham kissed her, he remembered, when she touched Regina’s arm, the hat worked. She had no idea she was even doing anything, but she was affecting change around her because she’s a magical being. She had no idea that she was doing anything magical when she stepped in front of Cora, she just thought she was gonna die. But Cora, the heart stealing pro, couldn’t take Emma’s magical heart, and Cora was shocked and confused by it. Even Cora had never seen magic like that, and that woman knew magic. We’ve seen Rumple tell Regina that it takes ages just to learn how to transform one’s appearance, even just to be able to change your hair colour. But Emma, who had no magical training, or even any idea that she actually had magic, was able to do that. Magic isn’t just something she does, it’s what she is. And what makes someone up genetically, they pass onto their children, so I’d be more surprised if Henry didn’t have some magic in him.
