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Yes, I think someone tweeted him saying how it would ruin the show if Tink and Regina were a couple, and he was basically trying to say that that’s just fan speculation, they haven’t said anything about it, so don’t freak out over the theory, and it became an overblown thing when someone interpreted one of his replies as being a confirmation of the theory, and then he started talking about how he doesn’t give away blatant spoilers, because he doesn’t think they’re fun. I’m on his side for everything except that last part. 😛

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and Rumple realizes once again his Dark One powers don’t work in NL.

He must have some magic in NL though, otherwise he couldn’t be able to conjure up his costume change.

Pan has magic that negates other magic, because it is based on belief not just emotion. That is how the cuff/taser things worked. It amplified the disbelief of Greg and Tamara (or their belief in the superiority of science) to the point it cut off Regina’s powers.

Ooooo, I like this! Magical creature killing taser physics 101.

Until Henry, Pan was the truest believer, but Pan only believes in himself. Henry has belief just as true, but it is in those he loves as well, and that is why Henry is stronger. All Pan knew was Henry was a threat, and that’s why he wanted him. So he won’t be able to kill Henry right away, when Henry has hope of rescue.

I also love this stuff about Henry being more powerful than PP because he’s the bigger believer. However, if I can flip the last sentence on its head, is it also possible that he needs to sacrifice Henry when he’s at max level of belief, so him having hope of rescue could actually be a death sentence?

So Pan’s threat to Rumpel is, if Rumpel keeps trying to get Henry, he will “believe” away the Dark One curse. Rumpel then has to be strong enough to choose to give up the power, to be undone. It’s a threat because of course, for Pan to summon enough disbelief to kill some magical thing, especially one capable of inspiring irrational fear, is not easy, that’s why he has all the kids.

Egad, I think you’ve cracked it! *giving you all the cookies* Seriously, that just blew my mind a little bit.

Now that I wrote that all out it feels like that can’t possibly be what the writers are doing. So maybe it is just Rumpel was there as a boy.

I think it’s both. That situation and environment that exists in NL in present day is what transpired after Rumple’s visit there as a child.

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Although we did not see Bae holding anything, a straw doll could have been tucked in his shirt.

He was in his pjs and dressing gown when he was taken by the Shadow though. Not a lot of places to stuff a doll made of straw, and why would he have it in his pjs pocket, anyway? A straw doll is gonna get crushed and destroyed if you’re sleeping with it.

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I was thrilled with all the spoilers today. EXCEPT: it REALLY REALLY bothers me when Adam/Eddy keep saying that the JR crew is going back to who they really are. I’m sorry, there is nothing in this world that will ever convince me that, at heart, Gold IS the Dark One. That’s who he’s been for 300 years, but that is not who he really is. Belle knows this and we know it. God, they had him say that he wants to go back to his best self; they’ve shown him to have an incredibly tortured backstory. Asking us to believe that Gold’s real honest and core self IS the Dark One not only means there is a huge disconnect between what they’re writing and what we see on screen, it means that – the curse means nothing in regards to his life. How does this make sense? For all of his life, he was a good man, a beautiful soul – and he is still that man, struggling to come out.

I think maybe it’s just a generalisation they’ve been using as a way to answer questions in the very short amount of time they have whenever they’re interviewed? What I’ve taken out of those comments is that they’re highlighting that PP is gonna be really hard to defeat, and if they’re gonna be able to do it, they each need to tap into the most badass version of themselves. They keep saying that Snow will need to be Bandit Snow. But that’s really just one aspect of her, it’s not all she is. By the same token, the Dark One is one aspect of Rumple, but it’s not all he is.

It seems though that he thinks it is what he will have to be completely, in order to get the job done. I think this newly revealed costume change may be something he does so that he’s more able to assume the Dark One side of himself. As long as he’s wandering around in his Mr Gold suit, it’ll hold him back mentally and emotionally, and he can’t afford that because any sign of weakness means he’s gonna be toast before he even gets close to rescuing Henry. And it also sounds like he plans to free the Lost Boys too while he’s at it. His first grand gesture as the Dark One was freeing children from war, and his last will be freeing children from PP.

While he feels the need to go Dark, he’s justifying it by sacrificing himself for someone else’s safety, (taking after his son with the self sacrificing stuff). He’s going into this assuming he’s going to die, but he’s gonna do it anyway, (it contrasts nicely with him running from the war, now that I’m thinking about it), because Henry (and the other boys) need to be saved. In the several 100 years previous, he’s sacrificed others to get what he wanted. So I don’t see him assuming his Dark One side in NL as him just simply giving into the darkness. As always he’ll be a complex mashup of the good hearted man and the demon. It’s just that the demon has to be in charge, given the perilous circumstances.

It will be interesting to see how Belle affects him in NL. Will their connection be a one time thing, or will it be something he can tap into whenever he needs a boost? And what will she say or do to try and keep him grounded? Will he give in to his better side after interacting with her? Or will the struggle be too great, and the danger be too near, that ultimately, he still feels the need to go dark anyway?

If that’s what K&H are setting up for his storyline, then I’m not worried about them not truly knowing the character. Like I said, I think their comments are really just a generalisation of a characterisation that’s actually very complex. When they only have 30 seconds to answer, they can’t delve into all the details.

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The doll was a little figure made of bound straw wearing a blue jacket.

STRAW! Thanks for that bit of info. Straw is a major thing in Rumple’s life. I now have an image of the Stiltskins living in a very humble dwelling, no toys for the kid to play with, and so the only option is to bundle up some straw and turn it into a doll.

I’m so stupidly jealous that you’ve seen the Rumple clip, angiebelle. 😛 That panel must have been so fun!

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So we have a boy, with no mother and a brother who had taken his place. I’d say he might be a little bitter about that and want his revenge in some way. So my theory is all this is an elaborate plan…from the seer, to the Dark One curse, to the taking of Henry, to destroy the brother who took attention away from him.

I’m starting to like the potential for this theory. Wasn’t instantly on board the Brothers train when I first heard it, but especially after D23, it’s looking likely IMO.

but wasn’t Peter from the same world as Wendy in the original? I guess, Adam and Eddie could twist it around and say Peter was actually from fairytale land.

Yes, he was. However, Barrie’s version of London had fairies living in Kensington Gardens, and K&H’s version of London is in a land without magic. If PP is gonna end up associating with fairies, he’s gotta come from a world that is capable of having fairies.

We know Rumple’s father was sort of a bad parent but what if he wasn’t always like that? What if what made him a bad father to Rumple was losing his first son just after he lost his wife?

My heart hurts just thinking about it, (and how it would mirror Rumple’s own eventual situation with losing his wife and son and how it changed him). So it’s probably exactly what they’ll do.

I wonder if Tink rescued Peter from FTL after Rumple’s father began to fall apart?

I could see that happening. But then, why wasn’t Rumple also taken away from their father by Tink at some point? Unless…

How did Rumple get to NL then? And why?

…maybe he was? Maybe Peter was prepared to be BFFs with his baby bro in NL, but baby bro wanted to go home, which made Peter feel rejected by family all over again, which is how this whole hot mess got started.

Why is not Sept 29th?

This right here is the most important question of all!

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Pretty sure it was around this time that I said something like *waits for Phee to do victory dance*

😆 ‘Tis foolish to do a victory dance unless and until you actually see the thing happen in the show. Ain’t gonna lie though, I do think the spoilers from D23 support the theory. 😉

“Lots more” Robin coming, but no word about Marian? There was that actress who could have potentially been a re-cast Marian who arrived in Vancouver when the rest of the cast returned from CC, and that was around the time when it seems Sean Maguire arrived in Vancouver too. But if they’d re-cast Marian with the intent of keeping her around to be involved in future storylines, you’d think they’d have promoted that re-casting when they promoted the Robin re-casting, because Robin and Marian are a major couple. Instead, we’ve heard that he’s gonna have a storyline involving Belle. I think the lack of Marian press suggests that she’s gonna be dead in present day, which means Robin will be an eligible candidate for a new love.

Also the way they used the word “soulmate” when referring to Regina’s new love interest, makes me think that this new guy will ultimately be her endgame. And like I’ve said previously, I think her endgame will also involve her being redeemed to the point of being able to have a trusting relationship with Henry. So think her “soulmate” will have to be someone who will impact her in a positive way.

I kind of see it somewhere in the middle. In my head, Regina needs someone who doesn’t vilify her for using magic, but doesn’t always approve of how she uses it. Someone who doesn’t care that she’s the queen, but someone who respects her as her own person. Someone who allows her to be who she is, but deep down sees a part of her that is still Regina, and brings out the part of Regina that is still in her. Someone that is strong enough to stand up to her, and someone who she will respect and listen to. Someone who won’t be controlled or try to control her. Someone who can love her for who she is, and still call her on her.. shenanigans. In other words, a real 50/50 relationship. I dont know who that is or will end up being, just the type of person I imagine for her.

You pretty much just described my headcanon version of RH, especially the bit about him being strong enough to stand up to her, and she’ll have the ability to respect his opinion.

And so, the cycle of abuse has continued, with Regina the abused becoming the abuser. She can learn to break the cycle with Henry, but it’s going to take untold effort on Regina’s part,

And we’ve already had this theme of ending the destructive cycle brought up…

Emma: Great. Go talk to him, then. But… Don’t break his heart.

Neal: Trust me – I’m not going do to him what he did to me.

Emma: Or what you did to me.

Neal: Okay. I get it. We’re all messed up. What do you say we try to avoid that with him? Alright?

…so I can see them continuing it with Regina breaking her own family’s cycle of abuse with Henry as well.

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Yet, we didn’t see Felix have a scar in S2.

Yep, we did. Here’s a screencap from ASOTM that shows the scar:

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I think kind of like the RH/RQ/tamara-daddy thing, that it’s not likely to be both, that Ursula is Regina and Eric is Hook. Wouldn’t that be too messy for them, especially on top of teasing CS?

However they build up the relationship with CS, I think they’ll wanna make it real. There’s no point in doing a triangle at all unless each option is a genuine option with genuine potential. So they’ll have to make CS believable up until the point when Neal comes back, otherwise there’s no tension and no potential emo crap to hit the fan with the triangle.

So if Hook = Eric, and if they allude to it being the case in the first half of the season, I think they’d have to keep this part of the story a one sided, unrequited love thing, (which fits with both versions of Little Mermaid canon). That could actually build the drama quite nicely, because there is a version of the story where the mermaid doesn’t get her guy, so the audience will have to wonder if maybe that’s the direction they’re gonna go in. If they make Eric actually Eric, I think he’ll have to end up with Ariel (or dead) because they’re not gonna turn sweet Prince Eric into a douche who doesn’t choose Ariel. There’s not as much tension and angst for Ariel’s story if we can just assume from the getgo that she’s gonna get her guy. If they mash up Eric with Hook, they’re able to show Ariel’s love as being more distant and disinterested, without sullying the much loved character of Disney’s sweet Prince Eric. It’s more dramatic to show her pining for Hook, who only has eyes for Emma, so everyone is kept guessing about how it’s all gonna end up.

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If “Eric” is a guy in NL, that may increase the odds of him being Hook, just because it doesn’t seem like there are a whole lot of eligible bachelors in NL for Ariel to be in love with. I’m pretty sure Ariel spent at least some time in FTL at some point though, and if she met her Eric there, he could either be his own person, or Killian. I think if they plan to reveal any of Ariel’s backstory in the first 11, it increases the chances of Hook being her Eric. If they intend to put it off until the back end of the season, there’s more chance of Eric being his own person. Could they introduce Ariel at all in the first 11 without alluding to her prince at all? Her love story informs her personality to a pretty significant degree.

I’m super curious to see what happens in 305, which it seems will be the Hook ep, where we flashback to how he became a pirate. There will probably be some hints dropped in that ep if there’s potential for him to be Eric. If that actress who we’re wildly guessing might be Ariel is actually gonna be Ariel, then the timing of her casting is interesting, because they’re shooting 303 now, and will be shooting Hook flashbacks for 305 in a few weeks.

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