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The main issue I have with RegalHood is if Tamara is RH’s daughter, then Tamara and Neal’s relationship would take on a squicky factor. Tamara was sleeping with Neal, she was going to marry him and then could have potentially given birth to his child.
For me, there’s no more potential squick factor here than with a relationship like CaptainSwan. You get people arguing the whole, “Hook was with Bae’s mother and was therefore Bae’s step-father, so it’s gross if he gets with Emma, who is the mother of Bae’s child.” But that argument doesn’t hold water because Killian and Milah were never married. Sure, they could have potentially had a kid, because they were sleeping together, just like Neal and Tamara could have potentially had a kid. But neither couple did, and neither couple ever formalised their relationship with marriage, so there’s no “keeping it in the family” squick, even if, if you draw a little family tree, they’re not that far apart. Dunno how well this will show up, (turns out it didn’t format properly in the actual post, GAH, just imagine that if someone is a couple’s child, their name is aligned under their parents’ names), but…
Rumple – Milah – Killian
Tamara – Bae – Emma
…so Killian and Emma totally have branches of the family tree (where non-marriage relationships are included) that run parallel. But that doesn’t mean it’s icky if CS hook up.If we look at the family tree for the other scenario…
Robin – Marian
Regina – Emma – Bae – Tamara
HenryEspecially if we take into consideration that an essential part of the “Tamara is their daughter” theory is that Robin has never really known her because he lost her when she was either a newborn or still unborn, and that he may never meet her if she dies in NL, and the fact that Bae and Tamara weren’t ever actually married, there’s just not enough of a connection there for me to think that RegalHood would be icky.
[adrotate group="5"]A lot of people are jumping to the conclusion that Rumplestiltskin might have been a lost boy, but this simply does not fit with canon.
What we know about Rumple’s past:
When he was young, his father went out one night, claiming to fetch water but forgot the bucket. Rumple went after his father to bring him the bucket and watches as two men murder his father. They then notice Rumple and wonder what to do, finally deciding to “take him to the spinners.”
Presumably, the spinners raised him and gave him his trade (his mother probably had died before then).
Rumple grew up in the same village and came of age and married Milah.
Rumple wanted to prove himself and free himself from the taint of his father who was a known coward (running away from his debts). He enlists in the ogre wars, and we know the rest.There isn’t room for Rumple to be a lost boy.
Even if they stick with that same history as canon (like PriceofMagic pointed out, it never even made the deleted scenes on the DVD, so it’s not canon yet), I don’t think that throws a glitch into the theory of Rumple being a Lost Boy at all. Obviously, if he was there, he got out. It could easily be a case similar to Wendy’s, where Rumple was taken there, and when he was sent back, only a day or so had passed in FTL, even if he’d been in NL for a bit longer. I think that fits rather perfectly with the idea that PP was his brother, because I could see PP having his brother brought to NL, but the brother doesn’t want to stay, so PP rejects him and sends him back to FTL.
Like I said before, I’m fine with the doll belonging to either of them at this point. But because we assume Bae did not go to NL with the doll, it was made in NL and if that is the case, we do not know how Rumple would know that it was Bae’s.
Bae was wearing his pjs and dressing gown when he was taken to NL, so I’ll be very surprised if he had a straw doll, (that he’d also just so happened to have on him when he left FTL), on his person anywhere at that time. We haven’t seen an image of the doll, (we really, desperately need to see this clip), but the impression I’ve got is that it’s a very simple object, with no particularly defining features, so as of right now, I’m not buying into the voodoo doll idea, or that it resembles Bae in any way. So if it doesn’t resemble Bae, and Bae didn’t have it on him when he was traveling between worlds, the only way Rumple would recognise it is if it was an object from his own childhood.
What she might have meant is her character only knows Hook and Regina have been there since her character thinks Bae is dead and might not know of his past in NL. It could mean she was speaking as an actress knowing behind the scenes things her character does not know so she is telling us the whole list of people on the boat with previous NL visits as you interpret, but I don’t know that she was being so accurate. I think she got used to talking about Hook and Regina because she gets asked about them more than Rumpel and R starts both Regina and Rumpel. So I could see it being that all 3 villains had previous NL experience.
The question of whether JMo let a genuine spoiler slip, or if she just misspoke, is doing my head in, because how can I formulate concrete Ariel headcanon if I don’t know for sure if Regina ever went to NL? *headdesk*
Anyway, given that it now seems that Rumple runs off on his own pretty much as soon as they get there, I can believe that there may be a scene with the rest of the JR6 where Regina reveals that she’s been there before, and that’s what JMo was referring to.
Rumple has obviously been to NL before. He and Felix know each other, and Felix knows him as the Dark One. He calls him that. Even if Rumple only knew PP by reputation, he wouldn’t know Felix, who is just a Lost One.
If Rumple was there as a child, and Felix was PP’s minion even back then, Rumple could well remember him. Maybe they had an altercation which resulted in Felix getting that fancy face scar. That’d be something Rumple would remember happening.
And if PP does have a role in orchestrating all of this history we’ve seen play out, including Rumple becoming the Dark One, then that’s how Felix knew to call him the Dark One. It would also explain why Felix mentions Rumple being there for the boy. If this is all part of PP’s grand scheme, I think Felix, as head Lost One, and likely PP’s most trusted minion, knows the details, and his conversation with Rumple could be his way of letting Rumple know that, “PP and I know what’s up with you, so don’t think you can just waltz in and confuse us and do what you wanna do, because we know all about you and are prepared to take you down.”
I’m not ready to completely rule out Rumple having been there as an adult just yet, but I do think everything would still fit if he’d only ever been there as a child.
I’m not sure the doll is Bae’s (or that it’s a doll OF Bae). In the clip doesn’t Felix say something like “the things we haven’t thought about in years can still make us cry”? That implies that the doll is related to something that happened long ago (that we might not know about yet) and that hasn’t been thought about in a long time. Rumple has thought about Bae and all things related to Bae probably on a daily basis for the past 300 years. The doll is supposed to represent something from long ago that Rumple has pushed from his mind (for whatever reason).
Agreed.
So, building off of RG’s headcanon of Hook being Eric who ran away and joined with Davy Jones’s crew and adopting his name just brought flashing back The Princess Bride with Wesley and the Dread Pirate Roberts. We already know that Colin based his portrayal more on Wesley and not Jack Sparrow. Now that I know that I can see traces of Wesley in him. But what if they took the story, too. Wesley was captured by pirates and told daily that he was going to be killed the next day. It never happened and eventually the Dread Pirate Roberts took on Wesley as his apprentice and then heir. Wesley changed his name and took over the ship and the pirate legacy.
They probably couldn’t mirror the story too exactly without infringing on rights, but I could most definitely see them using elements of the story as an homage to such a classic. If Colin used Westley for inspiration, odds are, K&H mentioned him. I think there’s a Colin interview somewhere, (or maybe it was said by Eduardo about designing the costume?), where he says he was told by K&H that Hook should look like he’s going to a Depeche Mode concert. And we’ve also seen K&H mention that they’ll do stuff like send certain songs to the actors to explain the kind of mood they want for a scene, and stuff like that. Knowing that that sort of discussion goes on, it’s entirely possible that they said to Colin, “So, ya know The Princess Bride…” to get him on the right track, and if so, that means they’d looked to the story for inspiration themselves.
So, anyway, maybe they can’t use the name Dread Pirate Roberts, but they can have a similar role and call him Davy Jones instead, and make Killian the apprentice who ends up taking over, and also takes the name Jones, as is tradition. Actually, that would be a fun little nod to the PotC Davy Jones too, similar theme with the ship needing a replacement Captain to carry on the legacy.
So moving on to how Ariel fits into it. In the original story, the prince falls in love with someone else and marries her. The mermaid’s love is unrequited. What if Ariel was originally in FTL, fell in love with Hook but he was in love with Milah. So Ariel makes a deal with someone (Rumple, Regina, Ursula, …) and becomes human to try to win his love. He could be totally ignorant of any feelings this mermaid/human and it doesn’t work because he’s with Milah. She loses her deal, like in the original and instead of turning to see foam is banished to Neverland.
Regina’s a no go if it’s happening during the time when Milah was alive. Rumple was around then though, and it could be awesomely tragic if he helped Ariel to get Killian, who was with Milah, (Rumple of course would be ignorant of that fact). I just have this feeling I can’t shake that Regina’s gonna end up filling the Ursula role, and the mermaid she mentioned to Rumple was Ariel, which would totally screw up the t-word for this theory.
Also, you’ve now got me pondering ways that Ariel could be Buttercup.
Now’s where it gets tricky. I could see them meeting again after all that time in Neverland, but in my mind Ariel is resentful and bitter toward this man she thought she loved. She’s nursing a broken heart over a guy who never even gave her the time of day.
This is why I hope there’s been a decent period of unrequited love in Ariel’s story. A bitter, snarky, feisty redhead could be so fun!
If we meet her early and all this happened, Hook could still not know all that happened with Ariel and her deal, neither would the audience yet, and Ariel would still be an embittered mermaid, and CaptainSwanFire can go on like planned. After Neal comes back, (I’m admitting right now to my rabid SwanFire love) then Hookriel can move forward in some manner.
Yes, as long as they don’t just dive into (pun) telling her story straight away, they can have her be bitter in general, and the audience can be left wondering what on earth went so wrong with her prince that she ended up like this. Keeping a lid on why she is the way she is would be made easier if she’s mute in present day, and can’t relate her story to anyone. Then once the triangle has run its course, we could get an Ariel centric ep with flashbacks involving Killian.
I now have too many new Hookriel ideas in my head, and my sleepy brain is protesting. 😛
I think she’s got some way to set up mobile mirrors, so to speak, out in the forest, so she can spy. There was the scene where she was watching Snow and the Dwarves wandering through the forest. And she also sees Charming running around too, right before she poofs him into the Infinite Forest. Rumple has his mirror covered so she can’t see, so I think it could be a two way system, where there’s gotta be a mirror on each end of the connection. I could see Regina setting up a viewing station of sorts within view of Snow’s coffin, for those days when she needs a little pick me up.
I think the lost boys in this sense are the ones working for Peter Pan like Felix not the boys PP keeps prisoner.
Ah, OK! I’ve always had a distinction in my head between the Lost Ones and the Lost Boys. Whether or not that’s actually the case, we dunno, but the Lost Ones don’t seem like the type who cry out for their parents at night. So when the scene summary said “Lost Boys”, my mind went to the innocent prisoners, and how pissed PP would be if Rumple freed them.
We need video of the scene to know exactly what was actually said. Unless angiebelle remembers?
I’m just going to lay out my headcanon concerning Eric:
Hook is Eric.
Eric was born a Prince in a kingdom far away. As a young boy both his father and mother died and his vengeful uncle, who most likely killed his parents, was out to kill Eric so that he could not take the throne. Eric was stolen away in the night by his mothers most loyal servant and raised not knowing his true heritage. But then the loyal servant died and Eric was forced to make his way in the world. He took up with Davy Jones and came to see him as a father figure, even though Davy was a terrible man who did not love Eric. Eric changed his name in order to win his new fathers approval to Killian Jones. Then Davy abandoned Killian but Killian managed to be picked up by pirates, the Captain of the ship grew to care for Killian and made him his heir. When the Captain died, Killian took over as Captain of the Jolly Roger and decided he wanted to travel around FTL. And then one night, he walked into a bar….
My tweak on this is that whoever ran away with little Eric changed both of their names and they went into hiding, posing as father and son, Davy and Killian Jones. Killian believes that Davy abandoned him, as he told Bae, but whatever actually happened is the origin story for the Davy Jones character we know from legend.
I wouldn’t mind either pairing. However, my point is making Hook Eric kind of sets up that if CaptainSwan doesn’t last Hook has to end up with Ariel.
Ariel going to be pining after Hook during the CaptainSwanFire triangle. At some point somethings got to give. Either Hook has to end up with Ariel because he’s Eric thus making the triangle pointless, or Ariel is left out in the cold because “Eric” is off with another woman.
They wouldn’t have to reveal Hook’s full backstory and true identity until later in the season. Same deal with Ariel’s full story. They could let the triangle play out before revealing anything about Ariel and Hook being destined for a relationship.
Also, Hook isn’t settling because he and Emma will realize that they aren’t meant to be and that their “relationship” however brief was just as a way to fill a hole in the moment. Hook won’t be pining for Emma because he knows he never truly loved her in a romantic love sort of way. He loves her as his best friend, but nothing more. Thus, Ariel isn’t backup.
Yep, that!
I think Rumple “taking Lost boys with him” doesn’t mean freeing them. The lost boys work for Peter Pan so Rumple’s saying he’s going to die and he’s taking as many lost boys with him as he can.
Hmmm, certainly a possibility, hadn’t thought of it like that. He’s going there on a rescue mission for Henry, so if he’s trying to set one kid free, I hadn’t considered that he’d wipe out as many other kids as necessary as collateral damage.
Sounds plausible except from the images we saw from VCF, Snow isn’t wearing her white dress that she wore when she woke up. She’s wearing war clothes. Unless she changed….
The person who wrote this set report didn’t say that Genie was in the same scene as Snow though…
When we got there, they were filming a flashback scene of Rumple and Snow. Super gorgeous setting and lights, I think it is gonna look glorious on camera. Bobby was in full Rumplestiltskin gear and he was sitting on a tree before giggling and getting up and going “I’m here” to Snow. (I think he said dearie, too, but i’m not sure – I was just fascinated by the sight of them lol).
We were ushered to move along then so the rest of the scene I did not catch . We did hear the shooting of another (most likely) flashback scene of Giancarlo Esposito (gracious and kind man). He was wearing a green shirt so it was a green screen scene – curious they shot it on location 🙂
If they show Snow waking again, they’ll just use old footage from S1, but perhaps they were shooting Genie’s reaction shots as he was watching her wake up? Though I dunno why they wouldn’t just shoot that in a studio.
Does anything thing that maybe Snow stole the magic mirror? How does she have it when he was trapped where Regina was?
D23 spoilers said we’d see EQ seeing Snow wake up from the sleeping curse. I’d guess that’s got something to do with Genie’s head being in the woods?
