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I reckon PP slashed him with his trusty little dagger at some point. Maybe PP was trying to take someone’s shadow, and Felix got in the way.
[adrotate group="5"]Part of me agrees and part of me wonders if you can ever fully trust someone who has tried to kill you so many times.
If it were me, I wouldn’t be able to. It’s just that within the context of the show, I reckon they’re gonna have to have people come around to trusting her again to a certain degree. FTL rules apply here, not real world. If we were playing by real world rules, Regina would have been locked up and had the key thrown away ages ago, but things work differently in FTL, people relate to each other differently, disputes are settled differently.
One more point, the idea of a man influencing her. This makes me cringe a bit because it almost sounds like she Regina has no agency and can’t change unless someone is there directing her. This was the MAJOR issues I had with “We are Both” where it many people started to claim that Regina was only the way she was because of her Mother and Rumple. But that’s not true. In the end, she chose magic and power, even though she didn’t want to become her mother; she became Cora, right down to the heart collecting.
Oh, I agree, each of Regina’s bad decisions and evil deeds is ultimately on her own head. When I say she’ll have a man there to influence her, I’m just saying like, if someone’s an addict, you don’t expect them to be able to drag themselves out of that dark hole and get better all on their own. And with Regina, there’s really no one who she could lean on for that type of support, because even if it was offered genuinely, she wouldn’t believe in it. She doesn’t trust the Charmings any more than they do her. She’s been to Archie for help before, but that was before the incident where her mother kidnapped and fake killed him, so I can’t really see her confiding in him ever again. Henry shouldn’t be burdened with having to be his mother’s emotional rock. That’s why I think the new guy is gonna be the one who she’ll come to rely on.
What I mean is the power imbalance is there but Regina wasn’t in the relationship just because she thought she had power over Daniel. Daniel seemed to be Regina’s first romantic relationship so that kind of sets the standard for future relationships. Because of the social status difference, Regina was the one in power in that relationship.
Fair enough, I can see that she technically had the upper hand, due to the nature of their situation.
I think Regina felt something for Graham but I don’t think it was love. Graham must have had some sort of feeling for Regina, not love (don’t shoot me) but he continued to be with her even though she had his heart stored away and wasn’t in direct control of it, and he was unaware that she had his heart, so what did he think his feelings towards her was?
In SB, he didn’t have feelings, he was just going through the motions, but he didn’t realise that he didn’t have any feelings, or that going through the motions was weird, until Emma showed up and the Curse started to weaken and he started to wake up. Some quotes from Heart Is A Lonely Hunter…
Graham: I’m sorry, I just-
Emma: What? You what?
Graham: I need to feel something.
Emma: I’m sorry. I thought we were talking in a metaphor here. You really think you don’t have a heart?
Graham: It’s the only thing that makes any sense. It’s the only thing that explains why I don’t feel anything.
Graham: It has nothing to do with her. You know, I’ve realized that I don’t feel anything, Regina. And I know now it’s not me – it’s you.
Regina: So, you’re leaving me for her?
Graham: I’m leaving you for me.
Regina: Graham, you’re not thinking straight.
Graham: Actually, for the first time, I am. I’d rather have nothing than settle for less. Nothing? Is better than what we have. I need to feel something, Regina, and the only way to do that is to give myself a chance.
I guess her having his heart locked up in a box was enough for her to be able to control his actions. She could take it out and play with it if she was feeling dramatic, but it wasn’t actually necessary.
Even when she was Regina in “Stable Boy” she was still somewhat defiant. She was willing to defy her mother, go against class and social norms. And yes, it was in the name of love, and thus commendable, but still wasn’t a compliant person. She wanted what she wanted.
That is an excellent point. It’s consistent with how she’s conducted herself since becoming the EQ, where once she’s got her mind set on something, if it’s something she’s passionate about, she’ll go for it.
We can’t expect Regina to convert to being Snow, which is almost what is sounds like Phee is proposing, a sort of sweeping character development that takes her to saint-like status, such as Snow it.
Ack, no, I don’t believe in Saint Regina, (and sometimes I wanna reach into the screen and give Snow a good hard shake)! I just think, basically, she’ll be redeemed to the point where people who currently don’t trust her, will trust her. The Charmings will be able to let Henry live with her part time, because they won’t fear for his physical and/or mental safety any more when he’s in her care. She’ll never be a saint, but she doesn’t have to remain evil, either. And if she’s in a relationship with a “good” man who is influencing her, that’s gonna make her redemption to that point of being trustworthy more believable IMO, because we already know she can’t be trusted if left to her own devices.
Also, as a sign of my ever growing hiatus crazy, she is wearing a pirate shirt in her Twitter pic. Hookriel.
This potential casting is no where near a sure thing yet, but one thing I am sure of…if she does end up being Ariel, the Hookriel fanartists are gonna have a field day with that pic. 😆
Regina/Daniel- There are slight elements of love=obedience with Daniel and Regina because of their difference social status with Daniel being of lower status than Regina. Because they were trying to keep their relationship secret, Daniel had to obey Regina in public both to keep up the illusion that there was nothing going on and also because otherwise Daniel would have no job. For Regina, if love=obedience then Daniel loved her so she loved him. Because of her higher social status, Regina had the power in the relationship. That must have been a great feeling for her, to be the one in control, in contrast to submission to Cora. That’s not to say Daniel didn’t have genuine feelings for Regina, he did, but their relationship was one of inequality where potentially Daniel could have lost his job if he didn’t keep Regina happy.
The way I see Regina and Daniel’s relationship is that when she was with him, that was the only time when she didn’t have to worry about any sort of pretense or power struggle. I think they were equals, because he’s the sort of person she was herself, and so with him, she could feel safe and free. If they coulda lived in a shack in the woods together and just ridden horses around all day, I think Regina would have been perfectly satisfied with life. Situations where Regina may have to tell him off in front of her mother were just a necessary part of keeping their secret, and they both understood that. It wasn’t a way for Regina to feel like she had power over him IMO.
Regina/Graham- This relationship is majorly love=obedience for Regina. She had control of Graham’s heart so he had to do what she wanted. Regina wanted to be loved, and since Graham obeyed her every whim, it meant he loved her and Regina was happy. However, when Emma came to town, Graham started disobeying her such as appointing Emma as his deputy without Regina’s say so. When Graham broke up with Regina, Regina was upset because once again she was not the one in control. She crushed Graham’s heart because he didn’t “love” her anymore and that was her way regaining control. Also crushing his heart may be Regina’s version of destroying photos of her ex-boyfriend and erasing him from her life.
Her relationship with Graham was most definitely about control. Dunno that she ever felt any genuine affection for him though, or expected him to feel any for her in return, (people without hearts simply aren’t capable of that). Having lost Daniel, she believed that the only way to guarantee to have a companion who could never be taken away was to enslave someone the way she did him. It wasn’t about wanting love IMO, it was just about not wanting to be alone. And when Emma threatened that, Regina lashed out because no one was supposed to be able to take away her pet, and if she couldn’t have him, neither could anyone else.
Maaaannn, RG, you had to go and write a philosophical Regina post right when I was re-watching The Doctor, of all the eps. 😆 That’s the one ep that actually kinda makes me feel really sorry for her, (for most the ep, until she kills the random gypsy).
Is it not our experiences that shape us? No matter what, she was the Evil Queen and even if she gives up the power that got her to that place, her emotional state has changed wholly from when she was a little girl.
Absolutely it is our experiences that shape us, but does that mean that all of our mistakes tip the scales irreversibly in the negative? Or can we take what we learn from those mistakes, and resolve to not make the same mistakes again? Now, granted, Regina hasn’t exactly shown that she’s one to learn from her mistakes thus far, but that’s not say that it can never happen.
As for it being the power itself that got her to that EQ place, I’m not sure that it was actually the power that corrupted her, and here’s why…
Rumpelstiltskin: Stop wasting my time! What is it you want? Come on. You’ve done all your soul searching. Now tell me.
Evil Queen: Can you teach me how to use magic to bring back the dead?
Rumpelstiltskin: That’s what this is about? The stable boy?
Evil Queen: I want true happiness.
Rumpelstiltskin: Then find it elsewhere, dearie. Magic can do much, but not that. Dead is dead.
Evil Queen: Then I am lost.
Bringing back Daniel was the reason she wanted the power in the first place, and it wasn’t until bringing back Daniel had officially been eliminated as an option that she went all EQ and decided, “If I really can’t get him back, then I’ll just use the power to destroy Snow instead and maybe that will make me feel better.” If Victor bringing back Daniel in SB had actually worked, I reckon she’d have mellowed out a fair bit. It wouldn’t have erased her past actions, but I daresay it would have stopped her from doing more serious evil in the future.
His dying words to her were to honour her love for him, by loving again. As a Daniel fan, I think it’d be really sad if she found love again but it was a dysfunctional love with someone just as broken as she is, that would still enable her to do bad stuff. Would sorta be like her spitting on Daniel’s grave. If she wants to honour Daniel’s pure, honest, good love from the past, she has to find a similar type of love in the future.
And it’s not a matter of not developing her character; if she stopped being even the tiniest bit the Evil Queen, or missing her power and the magic, it wouldn’t be believable. That role defined her and identity negotiation is tricky. Better character development would show the constant struggle to stay “good” even in the face of her more evil/cunning desires. That’s believable.
But haven’t we already seen that with Cora? Regina is an EPIC FAIL at the struggle to be good when she’s got evil tempting her. I don’t really wanna sit through another season of that. I think that from here on in, the more interesting storyline would be for her to have the genuine option of moving beyond all her darkness, but she struggles to let it all go and move forward in a positive way, because you’re right, it is something that has wholly defined her for a very long time. Making that big of a change would feel like walking a tightrope across the Grand Canyon with no safety net. But if they write in a character who will be there to catch her if she falls and actually support her, instead of exploiting her weaknesses like Cora did…that’s the makings of a romance, right there.
Also, I feel the need to mention Henry here again. Regina’s endgame must include a functional relationship with Henry, (unless she dies). K&H already get all sorts of crap for how people perceive them discrediting the relationship between Henry and his adoptive mother, (I don’t agree with people who give them crap for that, because it’s not about her not being his bio-mother, it’s about her being the freaking EQ), and if the show ends without a joint custody arrangement between Regina and Emma, all hell would break loose, and I doubt K&H have that sorta death wish. So I don’t think there’s any way she can keep on the path she’s currently on, because the Charmings just won’t trust her with Henry unless she makes a massive change for the better at some point. Even though the EQ shaped who she was, and is, I really think they’re gonna find a way for her to move past the EQ mindset in the future.
The trauma of NL could well be the point where she finally stops to get some perspective. If she sees all the Lost Boys, being held prisoner by PP, and how utterly distraught they are being kept from their parents, maybe she’ll see a bit of a parallel there with how she’s controlled Henry and made him feel trapped, and how he’s caught between her and Emma, constantly being kept from one of his parents no matter which one of them he’s with on any given day, just like the Lost Boys are kept from their parents. She may actually, finally, no longer be able to ignore the legitimately painful position she’s put Henry in, and she may resolve that she does want to legitimately make an effort to get along with everyone better. Then in swoops the new guy to encourage her when she’s too scared to do it all on her own, and can’t trust anyone she already knows to support her.
I reckon they’ll release it after it’s been shown. That’s what they did with the clips that were shown at CC, right?
What do you all think the scene will be of? I’m guessing…the JR coming out of the portal in NL, perhaps?
Was scrolling through tumblr and saw this post:
http://cimrk01.tumblr.com/post/57816051573/couldnt-help-but-stop-and-notice-some-activity-on
All the tags didn’t show up in the search results, and it looks like the theme that person uses doesn’t show tags on the actual post page, and it was driving me insane because I figured her name was probably in a hidden tag somewhere, and if there are suspicious tweets from actors, they must be over analysed. 😛Anyway, some of the pics looked daytime soap-ish, and they had the ABC logo, and after googling a bunch of options, I figured out that her name’s Erin Chambers.
And the suspicious tweets that the tumblr poster mentioned are…
@tmc90172 A new job! I'm not sureI can say what it is just yet. As soon as I can, I will let 'yall know! 🙂 Thanks for the support!
— Erin Chambers (@erin_chambers) August 8, 2013
People are asking about my new job & if I can say anything. Not sure I can. So I'll give you some clues. First clue? It's a prime-time show.
— Erin Chambers (@erin_chambers) August 9, 2013
Could amount to absolutely nothing, but I figured it was curious enough to warrant posting about…just in case.ETA that her imdb page has a thing called Paging Dr Freed at the top of the list. It says it’s in pre-production, but google says it was a comedy pilot that was shot a little while ago for USA Network, but they weren’t keen on it without a rewrite, and “The options on the Paging Dr. Freed producers have been extended while those on the cast have lapsed.” So that’s not what her new mystery job is.
EATA that what might be problematic is that she appears to currently be a brunette for her role on Young and the Restless, instead of her natural red. Though I guess that’s easily fixed? From what I can gather, her role on Y&R is minor and recurring?
