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True, but he used fairy magic to save the lives of his wife and unborn baby. That is a whole different kettle of fish than dark magic.
Ah, but what determines what’s light magic and what’s dark magic? Let’s ask Rumple…
Rumpelstiltskin: You just need to stop thinking about it. Magic is about emotion. Summon up that moment that made you so angry, you would’ve killed if you could. Once, a man made me kiss his boots in front of my son. Now, in my mind, I go back and I rip out his throat, and I crunch his veins with my teeth. And that, dearie, is how magic is made.
Mr. Gold: Stop thinking! Conjuring magic is not intellectual endeavor. It’s emotion. You must ask yourself, ‘why am I doing this? Who am I protecting?’ Feel it.
What I take from that is that magic is all about the intent. It can come from a twisted place, or from a pure place, but either way, it has the same origin. So it’s really the intent of the individual magic user that determines if it’s light magic, or dark magic.
Regina’s been using her magic in all the wrong ways, with the wrong inspiration. But if she changed her intent, I believe her magic could potentially be used for good instead.
Instead of throwing fireballs at crops, she could enrich the soil and make crops flourish. She could use her magic to help the community in general be more productive, which results in more wealth and prosperity for all the regular folks, and I reckon a guy like Robin would be totally fine with that. He’d be in a position to make decisions about laws, and about how wealth is distributed evenly and fairly to all the people. He’d be able to help more people than he ever could when he was an outlaw, occasionally getting some gold and handing it over to a small group of peasants. They could ultimately be a powerful pair of benevolent rulers.
It’s just a matter of her truly wanting to change, for the right reasons, and I think that if they never give her any sort of genuine change of heart, she’ll just never get her happy ending. She won’t ever end up with any kind of custody of Henry, unless she actually changes, and I can’t see this show ending with Emma officially having sole custody, and Regina being shut out of his life completely. Unless K&H have a death wish.
The reason I doubt Regina could maintain her power and do good with it long-term is that Rumple said he would use his power to help free the children from the Ogres War and then lust of power consumed him as the Dark One.
Well, what were the emotions he was tapping into for all of those years? Yes, he had goodness in his heart of hearts, and yes he did it all to initially help his son, and then to reunite with his son, which is a positive thing to aim for. But his quest was fueled by self loathing, by the need to save face, by shame, by regret, by cowardice, by desperation, and by the need to control everyone. Even before he lost Bae, he was trying to over compensate for how everyone had previously seen him, and then after he lost Bae, it just got a billion times more intense. So for that one good act where he used his power to save children from war…overall, the way he conjured and wielded his power came from a dark place.
Yes, I agree with you here. Since this show is all about hope, I think Regina can become good again. She was willing to die as Regina, rather than as the Evil Queen. I just fear that the events of S3 might delay/put off that possible outcome for a bit.
Oh I agree, she’s gonna start out the season bad and she’s gonna relish in it. When I think about her being able to be with a good man like Robin, I’m imagining it being a season long struggle for her to get to that place. You quoted the article about how maybe she won’t be willing to accept any love that’s offered. That plays into how I imagine this unfolding pretty perfectly, because I imagine that after she goes all EQ in NL, killing again and all, because the end (saving Henry) justifies the means, I doubt she’d feel deserving of any kind of affections from a good man. So even if someone like Robin was willing to give her a chance, she’d resist it. That would actually be some progress for her, because she’s always believed that she deserves the good stuff, even though she does bad stuff. If she does bad stuff and has the regret of that influence her in that she talks herself out of grabbing onto something that’s offered to her, then YAY character development!
[adrotate group="5"]Looks like Jamie is back in town, (click the instagram link, it’s a map of Vancouver).
https://twitter.com/jamiechung1/status/365902478677508096Under the thumbnails it says:
Of course, this could also be something to do with the Maritime Festival that’s going on in Steveston too.
It’s flying the Canadian and US flags and has random people on board, so it certainly wasn’t being used for shooting anything at that particular time.
As for shooting on the boat, last season they shot the stuff with Hook, Bae and the Lost Ones when it was parked in Steveston. Remember, people were all, “Lost Boys in SB?!” because the actors were all hanging out on the docks.
This article mentions that the replica they usually use for the show is currently “stripped bare”, and we know they have an internal JR set now. Maybe if it’s in town for the Maritime Festival, they’re gonna shoot some stock footage of it sailing in, so they can use it at a later date and just CGI the crew onto it when the time comes?
Wasn’t the initial argument in favor of Robin Hood the fact that he is humble and reminded Regina of the stable boy? On the one hand, I could actually see Regina falling for a good man like Robin who reminded her of her lost love, Daniel. On the other, Robin Hood, however iconic his legend is, has rejected the life of a landed gentry for that of a woodsman and thief, so he’s rather like Graham in that respect.
When I say he’s gotta be iconic, I mean from the audience’s point of view, on a scale of how legendary a character is. Someone who is the major hero in their story that’s known by everyone the world over. Someone who, you say their name, and everyone instantly recognises them as one of the major stars of the story. You say “Evil Queen” and it instantly conjures up a larger than life mental image. She should be paired with someone who people think of like that. To put her with a lesser character, would give the pairing an unbalanced perception for the audience.
I suspect Regina would have to give up her power, magic, and wealth for the sake of loving a bandit like RH.
She may feel obliged to give up some of the wealth to needy peasants, but the power and magic, I don’t think so. We’ve seen Robin use magic, so we know he’s not adverse to it and I don’t believe he’d make her give it up. And he’s plenty powerful, he was the valiant and inspirational leader of the Merry Men. He could show Regina that it’s possible to be a leader, to have power, and to use it to inspire and help people, instead of oppress them. It’s been a recurring theme that she wields her power and is then baffled why people don’t love her. Hansel and Gretel wouldn’t stay with her. The people didn’t worship her. It would be nice for her to eventually get a clue and realise that power can be used for good.
I just re-watched We Are Both tonight…
Rumpelstiltskin: So… Kind. So… Gentle. So… Powerful. You could do so much, if you just let yourself.
Evil Queen: And I won’t become like her?
Rumpelstiltskin: That, dearie, is entirely up to you.
Now, granted, Rumple manipulated her masterfully, so really, it wasn’t up to her…but it could have been if Rumple hadn’t gone out of his way to break her, and if Cora hadn’t weakened her in the first place.
Okay, let’s say that Robin Hood only ever heard Snow White speak in glowing terms about the kind of selfless woman Regina used to be before she went all murderous. Don’t you think he’d eventually have found out the truth though? Robin Hood lives in SB now (according to that spoiler). Upon getting his true FTL identity back, Robin will have heard about how evil Regina became up to the point of casting the curse and how she cast it to punish Snow White for marrying her true love. He’s still going to have to deal with any potential resentment there for Regina for ripping him from his homeland and the ones he loves.
All true, I wouldn’t expect him to blindly accept her and fall in love at first sight. But then, we have Belle, who was able to see through to Rumple’s good heart and she certainly hadn’t heard any soft and fluffy stories about him beforehand. So if he’s got that insight that no one else does, it may be just enough that he doesn’t judge her in the same way everyone else does, and once she’s given what she considers to be a genuine chance, maybe that will give her the kickstart she needs. Snow can give her chance after chance, but Regina’s never gonna believe that she’s genuine because there’s just too much history there. Any of the major characters, or even the recurring ones, she’s never gonna buy it if they extend a hand. Someone from outside that circle though, she might just give in a little bit. And as of right now, I can’t think of anyone else who could fit that bill, except for potentially Robin.
Regina, I think when all is said and done, needs to be with someone who is just as morally off kilter as she is. She is not Regina from Stable Boy anymore. She may want to be but part of her will always be the Evil Queen. She needs someone who can temper that in her, but also enjoys it in her.
Ya see, I think she does have the potential to go back to just being Queen without the Evil in front of it. K&H constantly drill into us that this show is about hope. If there’s no way that Regina can get back to that good person she once was when she was truly happy, then where’s the hope for her? Nothing she does in the future will be able to erase what she’s done, all of those mistakes would make up the new version of her, but at least she’d have learned some very valuable and painful lessons from it and wouldn’t make those mistakes again.
I’ve gotta laugh, because re-watching S1 over the last week, I’ve sat here thinking, “OMG now I remember why I really despise that woman,” and constantly wanted to reach into the screen to slap her. Hard. Yet here I am, the one saying she can be good again. 😆
Did Jefferson say “no room” in order to travel with his hat? What on earth does that mean??
The hat expands a fair bit as a portal opens.
Were all those hearts crushed?
I would imagine so. Suddenly, 100s of people all over FTL just dropped dead.
On a somewhat related note, as I was re-watching Broken tonight, I wondered if, when they freed Philip, they also freed a bunch of other trapped souls, and if so, could that have potentially helped to re-populate FTL a little bit?
That’s what makes the crack so believable. We only know that Robin is coming back, no mention of Marian, Tamara with mysterious parentage and a couple with a baby only brought up once. Last time we had a character’s child that showed up for only one episode and then not mentioned for awhile, it eventually turned out to be Henry’s father. Marian was sick and pregnant for a reason other than to just show Rumple’s burgeoning human side.
It’s funny how the mind works. You have something planned out in your head and you just can’t think of any other option. I won’t be heartbroken if all this doesn’t pan out, but at the moment I can’t see it going any other way with the evidence we have in front of us.
YES to all of this! Get out of my head. 😛
Besides RH and Hook, anyone got any other possibilities. If the new love interest is going to be made known soon (within the first 5 episodes) then, unless it’s flashback, he has to be in NL. Other pirates? A merman?
Well, if we’re getting Ariel, chances are we’re also getting Triton. But they won’t be around at the very start of the season, so he’s out of the running.
I do hope we get Davy Jones at some point, but I’m hoping he’ll be Hook’s dad, and again, we haven’t heard anything about that story being told at the start of the season.
Even if there were other pirates around, would they take a detour at the start of the season for us to get to know them? Unlikely IMO, because they’ll want to keep a sense of urgency and focus on the mission to save Henry. All interviews suggest that there will be a focus on the JR6 and how they do or don’t work together, and other random pirates drifting around in NL would just distract from that.
They can’t stick Regina with a no-name. She’s iconic, and her partner will need to be iconic in his own right if their relationship can be portrayed as being balanced. After the business with Graham, I doubt they’ll pair her up with someone she’d be superior to ever again.
Yep, there’s a lot to overcome there.
Ah yes, but as a wise (though cursed) woman once said, “if true love was easy, we’d all have it.” 😉
If Peter Pan and his crew kill Tamara AND she’s RH’s daughter, I could see Regal Hood still happening. It’s messy, but what about this show is nice and tidy.
I could see Henry and/or some of the Jolly Roger crew witness it and in true villain style (you know villains are compelled to reveal everything before the kill), PP can relate how he groomed Tamara and fed on her fears and hatred. Then BAM! Peter lets the bomb drop that she’s the daughter of Robin Hood and Marian and all her life she fought against something she was born from. And then he kills her.
Move on to after everyone is back in Storybrooke and they relate the tale of what really happened to Robin and how his daughter was manipulated. Regina doesn’t dirty her hands, all the blame is on Peter Pan and Regal Hood can move forward.
Seems plausible IMO. The part where PP reveals Tamara’s parentage right before vaporising her is a nice touch!
Neal had asked Tamara to marry him before Emma showed up. If he didn’t really love her at all and only wanted to be a good guy out of guilt then I don’t think he would have allowed himself to tie Tamara down without really loving her when she could be free and find someone who did love her.
As long as she believed that he loved her, as long as he was convincing enough that she wouldn’t be hurt, that might have been good enough for him. Emma was the only one Neal really wanted to be with, but he’d convinced himself that there was no way Emma would ever forgive him. So if he ever wanted to settle down, have that family he’s been craving for some 200-odd years, whoever he did it with would only ever be “good enough”. No one else would ever be Emma. His Tallahassee was officially, completely, out of his reach, but he didn’t want to be alone.
Is that love or more guilt he feels? He has a hero complex and part of that is not hurting people. I think the idea of dropping Tamara just because he saw Emma again goes against whatever moral code Neal has. And Emma wasn’t back in his life, not romantically. She was trying (not well) to make it clear that she had moved on. Her walls went up and he didn’t want to hurt anyone because he is a good guy.
Guilt was certainly a part of it. As was his lifelong desire to have someone he felt safe with and could call family. Here’s this girl who loves him, who is even completely understanding and accepting of the messed up reality that is his life story. When’s he gonna find that again? Meanwhile, he’d really rather patch things up with Emma, but she’s got all her walls up, insisting she’s not interested, so as far as he’s being forced to accept, Tamara’s his only option for a shot at love and happiness. And she’d been so very understanding, and had done nothing to warrant being automatically dumped and hurt, so how could he live with himself if he did that to her?
Marian was heavily pregnant when Robin stole the wand from Rumple to save her. Either the baby is Robin’s or it is someone else’s and Robin is happy to raise it as his own anyway. Since the Sheriff claimed Robin stole Marian from him, if Robin isn’t the father then the Sheriff must be. So I don’t see Robin being bitter over the fact that Marian is possibly carrying someone else’s child since he could have let her die but didn’t.
Or maybe Marian’s real name is Guinevere? (That’s rather random, so I’m mostly joking.)
While I agree Regina has a grudge against Greg for torturing her and kidnapping Henry, she also has a twisted sort of love for the little boy, Owen, whom she wanted to “adopt” (okay kidnap, but still). Killing Owen could actually be painful for her.
She relished telling him that she’d killed his father, and joked about how his grave gets no visitors. IMO, Regina has zero positive emotion left for Greg.
