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1) Tink’s surprising connection is NOT Hook because that was too obvious. I think that also rules out Bae because that is also too obvious. My money is still on Snow.
For sure rules out Bae. I’d think it’d rule out Rumple too, because we already know he has knowledge of NL. I like the Snow’s dark fairy dust theory. The way Eddy reacted when asked if they were having a different spin on Tink, (“Oh 100%!”), makes me think that she could definitely end up being a dark fairy. I also like the potential for her to have a Regina connection, if Regina really has been to NL before like JMo implied. Or perhaps Tink has been able to come to our world all this time and has a Regina connection via the adoption storyline? And even though it’s crackpot, I can’t bring myself to rule out the possibility of the Belle connection.
2) Henry’s belief is a big part of season 3. The title of 301 is totally about Henry.
Yep, yep!
3) Fairy Tale characters being kept in their backpocket. My thoughts are the Wizard of Oz. They are going to hold on to that until S4.
Oz for sure. I reckon they may have the official “Disney Pincesses” on a shortlist for inclusion. That full list is: Snow (done), Cinderella (done), Aurora (done, but she’s not the original Sleeping Beauty, so they may still have that story in reserve), Ariel (coming), Belle (done), Jasmine (likely candidate for the WL casting call), Pocahontas (who knows if they’ll do her or not, but if they do I’d guess they might mash her up with Tiger Lily in NL?), Mulan (done), Tiana, Rapunzel, and the most recent addition is Merida from Brave, but she’s probably too recent of an invention to qualify.
4) Sounds like 301 is going to be incredible and very revealing.
“You are going to find out who The Home Office is,” has me all sorts of excited. So happy they’re gonna cough up some answers straight away.
5) Bae may have a better idea as to why PP wants Henry. Interesting. I wonder how much Bae knows about PP. The boys being kept in NL against their will may have never met PP or had any interaction with him but maybe Bae did.
I really need for Nealfire to end up back in NL at some point so we can see him seeing PP again!! I could see Bae kicking up a stink while being held captive, because he wants everyone there to be set free. If that meant getting up in PP’s face, I reckon he’d have done it, because Bae is the guy who will step up and potentially sacrifice his own safety for the sake of others. Also, I imagine there came a time when Bae was let go from NL, and even if he hadn’t interacted directly with PP before then, it surely happened at that point in time. Maybe PP sent him on his way with some ambiguous comment like, “You’re no good to me here,” and now when Neal discovers Henry has been taken to him, the pieces will start to fall into place?
Is it time for S3 yet? How about now?! NOW?!
Great interview! Wow…I just keep getting more and more excited for season 3. I love the idea of belief being the main theme, and it also sounds as if Adam and Eddy really do get that season 2 had a bit too much everything and the kitchen sink. I get the impression they are going to reign it in and really focus on the characters and their relationships which is just wonderful and exactly what I was wishing for.
I cannot wait to see their take on Neverland.Yes, it certainly seems that they have a very clear plan for dialing it back a bit this season, which is good! I can’t say they were wrong for what they did in S2 though, because if they hadn’t done all that stuff that led the characters to NL, they wouldn’t be in a position to write the dialed back stuff to its full potential. Judging by the way they keep describing NL, saying how that place forces people to deal with their past and their present because they’re stuck with no future there, and how they keep repeating that the place runs on belief…I don’t think the characters could effectively have these introspective, personal moments anywhere except for NL. So in order to show all this emotional journey stuff that’s coming up, all the 2nd half of the S2 storyline movement and action-y stuff was necessary to actually get them to where they are right now in NL.
[adrotate group="5"]If they are indicating that we will see Ariel in Neverland, does that mean we will see her as a mermaid and that the story we know hasn’t actually happened yet so we’ll see it play out in present day?
I’ve always had it in my head that she’ll be human in present day NL, possibly even having shacked up with the Lost Ones. (In my Hookriel ponderings, I’ve dreamed up that they knew each other in NL, he’s maybe even the one who found her right after she’d transformed, and knowing how dangerous NL is, he took her back to the ship and let her stay. Then it became a whole unrequited love situation, and then came the day when Hook left NL, and Ariel was left behind, and ended up with the Lost Ones because she couldn’t survive there on her own. In this scenario, when she sees him again in present day, she gives him a death stare and a slap for having abandoned her, and he takes it coz he knows he deserves it.)
I really want her to be the lone voice of reason among the merpeople concerning PP. Maybe her family made a deal with PP; he gets the island and they get the ocean and together they get to live forever because of the magic of NL, but Ariel has a weakness for humans and joins the JR6.
That’s an interesting idea which could have a cool backstory, if there was some dispute that was settled with a truce. Of course, there’s the whole question of which land are merfolk native to in the first place? They were in NL at the time Wendy was there, but there was also at least one in FTL around the time of Skin Deep. Was it just that one mermaid popping between worlds, or did the whole population relocate at some point? Again, there’s the question of the trident, and also the question of how/when has Rumple been in NL before. Did he go to NL to steal Triton’s trident? Or was Triton in FTL at the time, and Rumple’s experience with NL is something else entirely?
Cracks me up that Hook is being shipped with a character that we haven’t even met yet.
And it’s been going on for quite some time, too. It was mid-season 2 when I first looked into the idea, and the ship was already out there sailing around with a name and fanfic and art and all. Even if it doesn’t end up as canon, it’s still been fun to indulge in.
I don’t know if I want to see Peter Pan actually disposed of. I know they are playing him as the big bad, but still- he’s *Peter*! Maybe they will just defuse him?
Defused is a good word for it, I reckon. I can’t really see them killing him, but could see his state of mind and magical-ness (technical term) being altered so he’s no longer a threat to anyone.
I’m really hoping they follow the Anderson version where she doesn’t get her happy ending. I’d love for her to be banished to Neverland instead of turning to sea foam, though. She doesn’t get her Prince, but she’s also banished for her punishment. I want to see her sassy. Part of that is my dislike as a tween/teen for the fickle Prince Eric and the other part is Anderson’s tale is much more interesting and fits into the Once-verse much better.
I’m fine with her being made to suffer like in the Anderson version, but hope she doesn’t die like in the Anderson version. This show is about hope, so I’ve gotta believe that somehow she’s gonna get her happy ending.
If water is so magical and flows through everywhere, I can see it as a connector between Neverland and Storybrooke. Interestingly, I’ve just read a book, non-Once related, about how the fae (fairies) get to our world through a portal in water and they can only cross over during a certain type of moon. That would be an interesting twist. Say the mermaids can travel, but only during certain times. Kind of like how the souls of the dead only walk on All Hallow’s Eve. That kind of thing.
That would be interesting! The moon controls the tides which changes the depths of the ocean, so maybe only at a certain point during the tide would the gateway between worlds be open? I like the whole idea of merfolk being able to cross over without the need for a portal. If the Shadow could cross over just by flying to a certain point that was high enough, then it stands to reason that merfolk could cross over just by swimming to a certain point that’s deep enough.
A thought did just occur to me in regards to the original tale, versus the Disney version and then Once’s twist. I think it would be quite interesting if Prince Eric did exist in the tale *in flashbacks*. Ariel made a deal with Urusla/Rumple/Regina in order to become human, but Eric *does* fall in love and marry someone else, keeping with Anderson’s original story. Instead of turning into sea foam, there is some other consequence, ie. no voice, stay a human, return to being a mermaid, banished to Neverland, etc. And maybe she doesn’t like humans anymore. Maybe she’s not necessarily going to be the most helpful to our heroes at first. Maybe she’s a little bitter at the circumstances she was left with. Not to say that she’s evil mind you, just maybe not the kind, innocent girl we all know. She’s a little bit more grown up now, and she’s loved and lost. And maybe it takes someone to make her change her mind… a handsome, charming, swaggering pirate that has also loved before, and thought he would never love again?
I do like this! Though I reckon if they have an Eric and he doesn’t end up with Ariel, it’ll be that he dies instead of marrying someone else. Disney’s Eric is a sweet, noble guy, and having him reject Ariel for someone else would probably come across as a bit douchey and a bit of a character assassination, especially to people who love the character of Eric as Disney wrote him.
In Anderson’s, the consequence of not getting the guy when someone else did was that she died. In Disney’s, the consequence of not getting the guy when someone else did was that she reverted to being a mermaid and became Ursula’s prisoner. There’s gotta be some consequence in the Once version if she doesn’t get the guy when someone else does, but perhaps the outcome gets altered if he dies instead of choosing someone else? Maybe, if she’s the lone mermaid in FTL, that’s where she loses her love, and then she finds a way back home to NL, but she can never return to being a mermaid, so she’s stuck so close to her family living below, but still so far away.
One other thing that’s in Anderson’s is that there’s a dagger, given by the sea witch, and the mermaid can get out of her deal if she just uses this specific dagger to kill the newly married Prince. Would K&H be able to resist including something about this dagger in their story that already involves a magical dagger in the mythology? PP traditionally carries a dagger too. Magical daggers for everyone?!
Sorry, I have to finish the rest of your post but having a Kanye moment here (I’mma let you finish) but fried Calamari is the best snack of all time!
No lie, even the thought of eating calamari squicked me out for so long. I do like it now, (as long as it’s cooked properly and not all rubbery), but I have to not think of where it came from as I’m eating it. Had a recurring nightmare as a kid that involved a big, angry octopus, which is what the whole phobia stems from.
Ok now on to the rest of your points…I would love them to get the legend of the Kracken in there, especially with a pirate in the mix.
When I thought a bit more about the whole Kracken potential, I got to thinking about how in PotC, it’s controlled by Davy Jones. Which led me to thinking about that old chestnut of how there has GOT to be some sort of Davy/Killian Jones connection, and maybe they’ll tie it all together somehow…Rumple getting the squid (Kracken) ink, mermaids being involved, Killian’s backstory, and then the Squid ends up attacking in present day and Davy Jones comes back by association and Killian is all “O____O” and it’s daddy issues ahoy as he’s battling his past and reconciling it with his wannabe step-dad issues with Nealfire and how that affects the development of his relationship with Emma. Prime scenario for angst and drama. So “Release the Kracken,” I say!
You did do a very good job avoiding Hookriel too, you get cookies AND a seaweed cracker.
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I never knew that, fascinating. Though Disney is releasing Little Mermaid from the “Vault” so I think they’d want to cross promote the whole deal of their version as much as they can –and there’s a trilogy of movies for them to sell (2 direct to DVD, a prequel and sequel). Then again, like you said, that blows a hole in Hookriel too. So they could do it, this show is its own universe, but most likely it’ll go closer to Aurora/Phillip or to Mulan.Mulan’s romance isn’t quite as prominent as Cinderella’s/Aurora/Snow–its not her entire happy ending/resolution, but it is a big plot point all the same.
This is true. With the DVD re-release, Disney might have them on a bit of a leash so the Little Mermaid fans don’t tune in to get a fix and end up horrified by how the story has been messed with. That could extend to all parts of the story though, and I doubt K&H would agree to just toe the Disney line if they have their own vision for where they want their story to go.
No matter what the story, or how old she is, or who Ursula is… I’m just really excited to see Ariel finally! Her and Belle were always my favorites growing up. I have faith in A&E so I have a feeling I’ll be OK with any way they spin it although I definitely want references to dinglehoppers and poor unfortunate souls. And a cavern of human things. And a scene on a rock with the waves crashing around her. But that’s not too much to ask right?
I want all those things too! Also want a shot of her springing up out of the water and doing the EPIC hair flip. One of the reasons I’d be cool with Regina filling the role of Ursula is that Lana would totally rock, “Oh, you pooooor unfortunate soul,” with a devilish sneer. I’d actually be a bit bummed for Lana if she missed out on the opportunity, knowing what an Ursula fan she is.
The fact that the Once version of Peter Pan is devious means he could be the one who started the Ogres’ War which led the children away from the parents and to their death on the battlefield. This would make Peter Pan the Pied Piper of legend who was responsible for the disappearance and/or death of a town’s youngest generation.
That would be so sinister!
By contrast, it’s very intriguing that Rumplestiltskin’s first act of magic was to save his son and all of the other children from dying on the battlefield by ending the conflict. In my opinion, this could foreshadow that Rumple’s final act of magic will also be a heroic one to save not just Henry but all of the Lost Boys being held captive in NL by PP.
Love, love, love this! To the point where I think I’ll actually be genuinely disappointed if this isn’t what they end up doing. It would bookend his Dark One-ness perfectly!
Side note: In regards to stealing children, there is a part of me that wonders if maybe PP thinks he’s doing them a favor? Who wouldn’t want to go to a land with no adults, with magic and no one to tell you what to do! Wendy was obviously excited to go, until she got there and was faced with reality. I definitely think that is his ploy to lure them, but what if he honestly doesn’t understand why anyone would want to leave?
Wouldn’t surprise me. Traditionally, PP is a kid who rejects the world of adults in favour of hanging out with fairies 24/7. Would stand to reason that he’d believe that every kid would prefer that kind of a life.
I wonder exactly how bad Peter is going to be? OuaT has a knack for finding all those shades of grey. I have a feeling that whatever reason Pan wants Henry, it has something to do with his absolute faith in his beliefs. Neverland is all about believing.
Which brings up an interesting parallel to GOAT and their fundamentalist beliefs too. They had unwavering belief in the evil of magic, and now they’re in the land that runs on belief and magic, and that land will shatter their own belief, when they discover they’ve been working for PP due to his unwavering belief. They could do some really interesting stuff with this, exploring the theme of belief from the characters’ different perspectives.
I actually wouldn’t mind seeing Regina being Ursula. Mainly because I feel we have had a lot of characters come and go, and we all feel “too many, too brief” about these bit players. On the other hand, we do sort of need some real evil threats out there, and after Mally turned out so ho-hum, perhaps they could do better with Ursula.
True on both counts. They could still potentially make the Squid its own terrifying character without it being Ursula. Maybe a similar scene to in the movie when Ursula gets huge and destructive? Though it wouldn’t have to be huge to be terrifying to me, because many things that live in the ocean freak me out, and I have special phobia for things with tentacles, chiefly the octopus, but also not a fan of squid or jellyfish. Anyway, they could make the Squid a being made purely of dark magic that can’t be controlled, making it uber dangerous. I’m thinking a Kracken: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kracken
Putting aside Hookriel crack, I am wondering if they would go into Ariel’s love story at all. They didn’t do Mulan’s either, unless you squint and say they combined Shang with Phillip or something. Or that they were going off traditional folk lore Mulan who has no love interest. Or cute, sassy dragon sidekick.
If so, they may leave Eric out entirely or imply he married someone else.
I was proud of myself for posting two long Little Mermaid related posts without mentioning Hookriel. 😛 Fair point about them not giving Mulan a (canon) love interest, (though she’s shipped with both Phillip and Aurora, and I would totally ship her with Lancelot if they brought him back), at least not from what we’ve seen so far. I confess to never having seen the movie Mulan, so dunno how central the romance is to the plot. It’s pretty much the whole plot of The Little Mermaid though, so I dunno if they could get away with eliminating it entirely.
Another direction they could potentially take would be to make Ariel their LGBT character, taking their lead from the suggestion that Anderson wrote the story about his frustrations over having feelings for another man, who had just got engaged around the time the story was written.
(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_little_mermaid#Psychoanalytic_interpretations) Even that may be too much of a departure from the already known romance story though. Of course, I’m saying this as someone who would be fine with them ditching the Prince and making him a Pirate instead, and there are plenty of people who would have an issue with that too, (though some Hookriel fanon out there includes both Hook and Eric). But at the end of the day, I reckon they’d be likely to have the iconic characters keep their orientations the same as has been previously established, and I reckon if they do have a specific Eric, they’ll follow the Disney model and have them end up together, as opposed to the Anderson model where there Prince ends up marrying someone else.But my crackiest idea for Ursula is she is an undead Milah, risen by zombie magical means. You cannot bring someone back but you could make a monster of their corpse.
That’s some sensational crack, right there!
Aladdin was in there and he was Chinese, as well as “Jasmine” (although they didn’t give the princess a name, at least I don’t recall one).
This casting call just reminded me of that.
Yeah, Aladdin’s story is a Middle Eastern folk tale, but Aladdin himself was Chinese, and the girl he marries in the original was called Princess Badroulbadour from the “Far East”, which isn’t terribly specific, so “Asian” in the casting call would certainly fit for Jasmine.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AladdinRegina as Ursula is a popular theory and something I’ve changed my mind about a frillion times. The other day I came across a tumblr post that included this:
http://ryzlin.tumblr.com/post/57057964777/i-have-a-deal-to-discuss-a-certain-mermaidThere has been speculations that ‘Skin Deep’ takes place a few months after ‘The Evil Queen’. You know, that episode where Rumpel tells Regina that transformation magic takes months to even change a lock of hair? Why do some wonderfully observant people (who I wish I remembered, but alas do not) think this? Simple, Regina is sporting a fresh new dye job in ‘Skin Deep’. She has a section of hair coloured bright red. I love the thought of Regina staring into her mirror and
getting excited that she managed to turn a strip of hair a different colour. But this would mean that she doesn’t have the ability to change her shape in a puff of purple, which means she definitively wouldn’t have the ability to change someone else’s looks, not yet anyway. That leaves us with a possible Ursula who can’t turn Ariel into a human, and now we’re right back at the beginning when Regina is asking to make a deal with Rumpel about her mermaid problem because he can turn Ariel human.Makes me wonder if Ursula’s role might end up essentially being a combo of both Regina and Rumple? Regina’s the face of the witch that helps Ariel, but Rumple is the main magician behind it all?
Though part of me would love for Ursula to be her own, individual character instead. Someone who either is the squid with the magical ink, or keeps the magical squid as her pet.
Does the squid ink come to be in Rumple’s possession after the Skin Deep conversation, or did he already have it, perhaps in relation to whatever incident resulted in him getting the trident, (assuming that is actually Ariel’s father’s trident)? What incident could even result in Rumple getting that trident? In the Disney version, Triton swapped places with Ariel as Ursula’s prisoner, and as a result, Ursula got the trident. And now I’m back to thinking that Ursula’s role could end up being a Rumple/Regina combo deal.
As a general rule on this show, if someone needs magical help with something, they make a deal with Rumple. The Disney version shows Ariel signing a contract with Ursula, which is a trademark of our Rumple. No matter how they present the story, they can’t really avoid that “price” aspect of the magic, so introducing a new Ursula would mean introducing someone else who operates with the same business practices as Rumple, which would make him less unique, so would they go that route?
The fact that we’ve seen Rumple take someone’s tongue/voice makes me think that even if Ursula is a new character, she will likely know Rumple, and one of them learned that trick from the other. Again, I’m coming back to Regina filling the role, because we know for a fact that Rumple teaches her how to do magical stuff. So maybe Ariel goes to Regina for help with becoming human. Regina can’t do that, but she knows who can, so goes to Rumple for a potion. Rumple doesn’t give away anything for free, so he says if he gives her the potion, in return, he wants the mermaid’s lovely voice, then he teaches Regina to do that tongue taking trick if he hasn’t taught it to her already. Then Regina goes back to Ariel and completes the deal to give up her voice to get her legs.
Much as I’d like Ursula to be someone else, it could also be pretty cool if Regina gets to NL in present day and comes face to face with Ariel again, and Ariel’s pissed at her, and Regina is all, “Your plight isn’t all on me, come meet my buddy Rumple.” And if Rumple has a history of taking Triton’s trident, Ariel will already have a prejudice against him for that, in addition to the role he played in her own personal deal. Then because Ariel’s one of the goodies, she’d want to help save Henry if she could, but she wouldn’t want to work with Regina and/or Rumple again, and it could all be wonderfully dramatic. You wouldn’t get any of that if Ursula was a humanoid squid living at the bottom of the ocean.
I’m thinking that maybe the squid will just be a big old magical sea monster. Maybe not even directly involved with Ariel at all. Maybe the squid ink and the trident will be factors in a whole separate deal. Maybe it was Ariel’s mother who made a deal with Rumple at some point where she had to retrieve the ink for him, and something went wrong and Triton tried to make it right by making his own deal that saw him lose his trident. And whatever went down with that is how Ariel’s mother died. Perhaps?
BTW, there was a recent tumblr post saying that Alyssa Milano should play Ariel because she’s the person the animator based Ariel’s face on. I reckon she’d be too old to play Ariel, but she could be perfect as Ariel’s mother. FWIW, Alyssa is currently contracted to ABC.
Unless they are going to play on “affected” to mean that not everyone was ripped to SB, but there’ll be something wrong in those realms so eventually our heroes journey there to do something all macguffiny that we don’t know yet.
That’s what I’m thinking. Guess we’ll have to wait to see the spinoff, because isn’t that meant to be set in a “post-curse WL”? I’m assuming NL would have been shielded, because I’m assuming PP knew the Curse was gonna happen.
I was thinking of starting a thread today actually, called hey, it’s august, just to talk about him and the open plot holes/oddities of his character and all that.
If ever there was a suitable time for a thread to discuss August, August is it.
I know some people’s hair changes color as they age. Heck, I was a blonde who transitioned into a brunette so I know better than anybody. But redheaded Pino to swarthy August I just don’t buy.
The hair colour and the stubble made them look very different. I once did a side by side comparison though, and decided that hair colour and stubble aside, their faces were similar enough that I could buy it.
It like, you wanna be chit chatty instead of just bluntly asking the question. But it totally backfires because then he has an extra part of the tweet to respond to so he can avoid the actual question that may be spoilery. Sneaky Adam is Sneaky. 😛
