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Yep, saw that after I’d posted in here. Would it be easier to have this thread in General Spoilers so we can just constantly update one thread through the season instead of having a thread for each individual ep? It’s not likely that we’ll know every time they start filming a new ep, but it’s likely we’ll be constantly stalking who’s in town for filming.
[adrotate group="5"]I’ve always thought of it as, it’s not necessarily the *magic* itself that has a price. More that the motive behind the magic does.
Karma. You put the wrong motivation out there and it’ll come back to bite ya. Use magic for selfish reasons, and you’re gonna pay the price. So if fairies only have a pure motivation for using magic, maybe they have no price to pay.
But if Sneaky Fairy is Sneaky…
Well if PP sent that plot device cuff/taser to GOAT, then the magic users better watch out–
Hmmm, good point. If PP is expecting them, he probably has some tricks up his sleeve and some traps set for them.
Wonder if PP is expecting them though? Or is he just expecting GOAT and Henry? Whatever he saw in the future, did it include the failsafe not going off and the JR6 surviving and coming after Henry? Or did he only see as far as the failsafe being activated and Henry being brought to him? Because even if the failsafe had gone off, the plan still would have been the same, for GOAT to bring Henry to NL, so he may be none the wiser about SB surviving and the JR6 coming to NL.
One of the twists they may put on Ariel is that she has the ability to change back and forth.
I’ve wondered about that too, but am leaning towards no, just because on this show, magic always comes with a price, so I can’t see them letting her have the best of both worlds. If she wants to use magic to do something so drastic, she has to accept the full consequences of it.
So I suppose it would be more metaphorical that even if Ariel literally goes from mermaid to human, the best part of her was a capacity to love and make friends with those different than her, and that never changes. The saddest bit of DIsney/Andersen is this idea of Ariel sacrificing her family’s love for romantic love. Ideally, it wouldn’t be such a choice, but stories thrive on conflict.
Yeah, I could see them playing up her traits that make her human-compatible, which would in turn make her seem less mermaid-compatible. If the merfolk really are nasty pieces of work who hate humans, Ariel could be portrayed as quite the outcast, maybe even to the point where it’s actually not safe for her to remain as a mermaid.
In the Disney tale, there was fear from the humans and the mermaids about each other. It isn’t played up a lot, just a little bit in the Disney version, as Ursula is the main villain, not Triton. I mean, humans eat fish. There’s the whole sequence in the movie about poor Sebastion running from the chef.Imagine it going the other way, with mermaids hunting humans –and hey, Halloween episode!
What do merfolk eat? I could buy that the Disney merfolk are vegetarians, considering Ariel’s BFFs are talking sea creatures. But the type of merfolk who drag humans to their deaths, I’m guessing they’d eat any other underwater critter they could get their hands on. I could still see those types of merfolk not liking humans though. Fishermen are gonna catch merfolk in their nets now and then, and that’s gonna create animosity.
As for the Halloween ep, that’ll be ep 5. Last year we got Frankenstein, maybe this year we’ll meet some vicious mermaids?
And NL is where magic comes from, so I’m anticipating Regina’s magic to be amped up a few notches when she’s in NL.
Googling him brought up his LinkedIn page that just lists him as, “Background Performer at GE Talent”. So I think he’s just gonna be an extra.
Sean Maguire (RH) is in town, (and I suspect he probably has been for about a week, considering he’d tweeted Adam about meeting up, and we know Adam was in Vancouver during the shooting of 302).
In beautiful Vancouver enjoying the big BC/pride weekend with the lady. My goodness these Canadians are wonderful people. #beautiful peeps
— Sean Maguire (@sean_m_maguire) August 4, 2013
Let’s remember that often times the title of the episode refers to more than one person, so “lost girl” could refer to Tamara and whatever her backstory is but it also obviously has to refer to Snow in FTL of the past (based on those pics that I STILL CANNOT FIND she is wearing her wedding outfit from from Lady of the Lake.)
You mean the pic of Ginny and Josh’s backs when they were between scenes?
Or the pics of Ginny and Robert?
http://vancityfilming.com/once-upon-a-time-rumple-and-snow/I’m starting to suspect, based on the TVLine spoiler about RH being in SB with Belle, that RH did not follow Marian through to our world 3 years before the Curse hit so that explains why he is in SB.
I’ve always assumed that as part of the theory. Either pregnant Marian, or Marian with a newborn, or even just the newborn went though, but RH didn’t. Gotta have it parallel what happened with baby Emma. I’m inclined to think that in Tamara’s case she went through with her mother, just because that makes Emma’s story even more unfair.
Had a thought: any word on if the new RH was on set last week? If we’re right that Tamara is the daughter of RH and Marian, then if this is part of her backstory, I’d expect to see him at least.
He tweeted about an hour ago about being in Vancouver. He also tweeted Adam on the 25th that he hoped they’d get to meet up “this week” and we now know that K&H were both in Vancouver for the shooting of 302.
There were reports of Meta Golding arriving at the airport with the rest of the cast when they flew back from CC.
A few of us wondered if she may be a re-cast Marian. I also wondered if she could maybe be a younger version of Tamara’s grandmother.Given that Adam has referred to 302 as being a Snowing ep, I’d say that Snow and Charming will be the primary focus. But in CC interviews, K&H made sure to point out that we’d be seeing GOAT deal with having their fundamentalist beliefs shattered, so “Lost Girl” could very well refer to us seeing Tamara in NL in present day.
I’d been hoping they’d avoid showing us 3 different locations/times in 1 ep, so if this ep will focus on Tamara to some extent, I hope it’s not her only ep where she dies, because I’d still love to see flashbacks that show her involvement with THO before we saw her in Phuket.
So, all things considered, I’m going with this ep being Snowing centric FTL flashbacks that will involve them meeting up with Snow’s old buddy RH, (we all figure he’s the one who taught her how to hunt), who will recount the story of how he lost Marian when she and their baby had to be sent to another world. Keeps Snowing heavily involved with the storyline of their centric ep, though the ep title refers primarily to Tamara, and how her father lost her as a baby, and how lost she’s feeling in NL in present day.
Or, ya know, they’ll show some real world Tamara flashbacks that have nothing to do with RH and then they’ll kill her off. But I reckon her struggle of coming to terms with her life’s mission being a lie would require more than 1 ep, and would require a Tamara centric ep instead of a Snowing one, so I hope she’s not killed off this early.
OMG for real, he must be getting so sick of people being paranoid when he’s already tweeted multiple times she she won’t be ignored.
The problem I have with my own theory though, is that I love The Little Mermaid so much, it’s my favorite Disney story and I don’t want to end up hating my favorite Disney character if she turns out be a soulless mermaid.
When they set up mermaids as being dangerous by having Hook allude to it (twice), my initial thought was that that had to be a setup to show Ariel as being different. Even if mermaids as a whole are dark and dangerous, I reckon they’ll still make Ariel unique. They’ve gotta know how many people out there adore her and would be disappointed if their version of her is totally nasty.
If they do make mermaids dark, I think it could make Ariel herself more compelling, if she’s got the potential to be this dangerous creature that’s lurking inside, but she chooses to not be a ruthless human-hater like all the rest. At her heart, she’d be one of the goodies, but she’d always have the potential to turn on someone if the occasion called for it, just because mermaids are genetically programmed to be lethal. It could make her totally badass and someone who commanded respect, not the kinda girl you’d wanna mess with.
I think that is an interesting theme, and one of the parts of Disney’s version that seems a bit off as it does seem like Ariel completely transforms for Eric.
Something I think would be good to see is if her guy, whoever he ends up being, holds that same anti-mermaid opinion we’ve already seen from Hook. I’d like for him to know that she was a mermaid, and have to deal with getting over his prejudice against them in order to fully accept and love her. Sure, she still would have given up her true form and changed for him, but there’d have to be some give from his side of the relationship too.
The other interesting bit from the article is where the legends of Animal Brides comes in, the desire to be free and wild. That reminds me of Ruby, who of course, will have to be featured less as her actress has another gig. I could see the writers having a role for Ariel to slip into some themes of where they may have originally plotted Ruby to carry some story.
I’m seriously gonna miss Red, (have been re-watching some of season 1 tonight and lamenting how she’s not gonna be there full time for the whole life of the show *sigh*), but that’s a great point that some of what they were gonna explore with her could work for Ariel too.
