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Phee, I agree completely with you. To me, it’s an open-and-shut case. A Lost One uses “he” as a pronoun in a question, and Felix clearly answers using the proper noun, Peter Pan, in direct reference to pronoun “He” used in the question. Also, “He” was used so much in Second Star to the Right in order to build up the suspence and then that pronoun was finally confirmed as referring to Peter Pan in And Straight On “Til Morning. (It’s parallel to when “She” was played up so much to build suspense and then “She” was confirmed as referring to Tamara in Selfless, Brave, and True).
Yes to all of this!
GOAT are going to be in for a big shock that their BIG boss is actually someone magical. I wonder if that will change their perception about their cause and their beliefs.
Can’t believe I’m saying this…but I’m actually really looking forward to seeing GOAT again. Should be interesting to see how they handle that shock to their systems.
[adrotate group="5"]Because of this Regina can defeat him.
We don’t know if Regina can defeat him. Lana doesn’t know if Regina can defeat him. Like all the actors said in every interview that all they know for sure is what’s in the scripts for the first 2 episodes. Of course Lana will say that she hopes PP isn’t badder than Regina, because if PP is bigger and badder than Regina, it’s gonna make it harder for Regina to get her son back.
Isn’t this the kid that was just cast with the big ears?
We are assuming so, yes. Robert said the young actor playing PP looks like him even without makeup, right down to the big ears.
Yes, we all know that Tamara and Owen are working for PP and they don’t know it, again to me that isn’t the “HE” that they are talking about I could be wrong but I think it is PP and then there is “HE” two separate people.
Well IMO the dialogue in the finale is clear cut. Felix names PP as someone who never fails in his response to the guy who says: “If that’s not the boy he’s looking for, do you think we’ll be able to find him?” Why would Felix name PP if he wasn’t the “he” that their conversation was about?
Theory seen on tumblr: Tink was Regina’s fairy godmother and Rumple needed her out of the way, so he sent her to NL.
I said this awhile back but I think A and E learned a lot from LOST and one of the biggest lessons they got was that you need to give more answers over the course of the series. You can’t wait until the series ends because you’ll have missed some questions that were major.
Also, viewers don’t have a neverending supply of patience. If they tease some of the major plot points out for way too long, people will just become disenchanted and fed up with waiting for answers that it seems are never gonna come.
And so I think it’s possible that we will wrap up “the Curse” arc of OUAT at the end of S3. What I mean by this is that everything to do with the Curse–Nealfire, the Puppet Master, The BF, Henry’s adoption, the Book–will be resolved and we will move into a new overarching “arc” for the next season and seasons. All the characters will be the same but instead of dealing with the ramifications of the Curse it will (thinking outloud) be something like “saving the worlds” arc where our heroes are transported to different worlds–Oz comes to mind–and evnetually FTL where they have to save the worlds that have been affected by the first arc of OUAT, which was S1-3 and all about the Curse.
I could see them going that route. Definitely agree that some major, Curse-related plot points will be resolved this season, so they can stop dwelling on the Curse event and instead move forward and show us what’s next for them all. Where and how are they gonna live?
Personally, I reckon that ultimately, everyone will end up back in FTL. If this season is gonna be about them all rediscovering their core beings, which is what all the CC interviews suggested, I just don’t see how they could really integrate themselves into our world. They just wouldn’t fit. Emma and Neal are the only two who really don’t want to live in FTL, but judging by what we’ve seen so far, it’s not like either of them has any real, personal attachment to anyone in our world outside SB, so what reason would they have to stay if everyone they know, including their son, wants to go back to FTL? Re-settling in FTL, re-building it, re-establishing the social structure there and the conflicts that would go along with all of that could be the focus of an entire, future season.
As for other worlds, they will almost certainly have to have a season dealing with Oz. One of my pet crack theories is that The Wizard and Dorothy have some connection to THO. If so, they could have conflict with THO as the climax to S3, and they could tie it in to S4. Maybe The Wizard flees back to Oz and they go after him? Even if not, I’m sure they must have an Oz-centric storyline of some type in mind, and it’d be a new adventure for everyone to embark on, not necessarily directly tied to the Curse.
As far as PP being the Puppet Master goes, IMO it does seem that he’s the big boss of all this Curse related stuff. K&H explicitly stated in a CC interview that GOAT are working for PP. I think there’s gotta be some overall scheme manipulated by PP that brought us to the Curse and then to present day events. Even if they resolve that though, there’s still the question of how PP ended up like he is in NL to begin with and is there yet another Big Bad out there somewhere. If they don’t wanna answer that this season, that can be part of the continuing story, but not necessarily be tied to the Curse. I reckon all the Curse stuff was just PP trying to get through the situation he ended up in. Whatever happened before that could be a separate, non-Curse related story they delve into in the future.
What in that article do you think suggests that “he” isn’t PP?
Exact dialogue from ASOTM…
Random Lost One: If that’s not the boy he’s looking for, do you think we’ll be able to find him?
Felix: Of course we will, it may take time, but Peter Pan never fails.That dialogue seems pretty straight forward to me. Felix’s line reveals that the “he” the other guy mentioned is PP. That’s who they’re working for. That’s who wants the kid in the picture.
If you wanna go back to the scene immediately before that, when they’re on the boat, about to go down the portal…
Charming: Who are we up against? Who are Greg and Tamara?
Rumple: They’re merely pawns, manipulated by forces far greater than they can conceive, with no idea who they’re truly working for.
Emma: And who’s that?
Rumple: Someone we all should fear.That leads directly into the scene where that person who should be feared is named as PP.
At 3:30 in this interview, speaking about GOAT…
Adam: They were anti-magic, very fundamentalist against magic, and yet, they did not realise, as we learned at the end, that they are actually working for Peter Pan.
GOAT were unwittingly working for PP.
GOAT took Henry to NL for PP.
The Lost Ones had been searching for Henry to take him to PP.
PP is the “he” that all of them are working for, helping him to get the kid in the picture.Unfortunately, the actor who plays Moe hasn’t tweeted since October, so he can’t be stalked to see when he’s on set. Spoilsport. 😛
Rumple: It’s a cloaking spell. It’ll shield the town, make it impossible for anyone to find.
Belle: Then how will you find your way back to me?
Rumple: *awkward and sad*
Belle: You’re not coming back, are you?Belle knew they were going to another world, so having her ask that question says to me that SB is invisible to everyone, everywhere, so it can’t be located, even by portal.
I don’t really think of Tink as a “good fairy.”
Neither do I, but the way I was imagining this potentially playing out, I didn’t have her painted as “good” in my head. I was thinking of her as a headstrong, reckless little punk of a fairy who is supposed to do good, but really just loves being impulsive and breaking the rules. So when she knew she wasn’t supposed to have a relationship with a human, she basically saw it as a challenge to do it anyway, and give that uber controlling Blue the finger in the process. 😛 If Blue’s had to deal with that before, it explains why she was so adamant about keeping a tight leash on Nova, (if Dreamy could end up having some more significance, I’d really like that, because right now I’m basically BLAH about that ep).
Rumple knew Belle wouldn’t just stay behind because he asked her to, she needed a reason to stay so he gave her one. He played on her good nature of wanting to help people and protect those in need, it was how they met- Belle sacrificed herself to save her people from the ogres, Rumple told her that in his deathbed phone conversation “You are a hero who helped your people”, Rumple knew Belle would stay behind to protect the rest of the town because that’s her nature.
That’s most definitely true. He knew she wouldn’t argue with him if he was putting the safety of the town in her hands.
well those aren’t crack enough for me, dying in childbirth? Pshhhaw. After Tinka-momma, we would need something grander, like, Belle’s mom was Glinda from Oz or something like that all full of conspiracy and oddness. OMG….Victor’s mother was never shown aside from the watch, and no reference to Belle’s mother –what if they’re half siblings–now that’s the kind of weird stuff we’re supposed to generate!
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Moe’s truck, the Game of Thorns van, has been seen around Steveston,BC
Oh, I’d forgotten about the truck sighting! And you had to go and remind me right when I was ready to chill out on this whole debate. 😛
Here’s the thing with Neal getting out of FTL…he knows nothing about Henry being kidnapped and Emma going to find him, so right now, Neal has it in his head that the people he needs to get back to are in SB. But as long as the cloaking spell sticks, he can’t find a way back to SB.
Now, I’m not at all convinced that the cloaking spell is gonna stick, but who knows at what point it’ll break and how. Maybe it’ll be THO having a way to deactivate it, or maybe it’ll be Belle somehow getting info about Neal and breaking the cloak herself.
I would LOVE for there to be some Belle and Nealfire working together, so Emilie’s little comment in that interview and the way MRJ reacted was cool to see. But I also kinda love the idea of him jumping into a portal and thinking, “Take me to Emma and Henry,” expecting to land in SB, but instead he lands in NL. His “WHAT IN THE ACTUAL, OH GOD NOOOOO” reaction would be priceless.
