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RG, that’s cool that Adam replied to confirm the Rumple ep!
Having just watched the whole CC Panel just before, there was this:
Q: I want to know if we will find out what mermaid Regina was so interested about that she went to Rumple.
A: That’s a great question. I know, ah, that anything can happen in Neverland. Watch season 3.So…Regina has a connection to a mermaid who has a connection to NL which is the place Tink is associated with?
So…Did Rumple refuse to help Regina with her “mermaid problem” and kick her out so he could be emo over what she’d just told him about Belle? And then did Tink pop up to help Regina with the “mermaid problem” instead and that’s how Ariel ended up in NL? “Oh I can take that mermaid off your hands, no probs. I know of a fun place you can send her to.” What problem did Regina have with Ariel to begin with? Will it be related to her wanting to become human? Does this mean Regina will fill the role of Ursula? Or was Ariel sent to NL still as a mermaid and there’ll be a whole other story with Ursula and Ariel getting her legs in NL?
Would it be too early for them to show the circumstances of Henry’s adoption? For some reason I wasn’t expecting SB flashbacks early in the season. But perhaps it’d actually be perfect timing now that Regina is going to find him in present day?
If PP and Tink = THO involvement, and if THO were involved with Henry’s adoption, then it could actually fit nicely if we see flashbacks to Tink being involved in helping Regina separate Ariel from her father and contrast it with Tink being somehow involved with helping Regina get Henry, who is being separated from his birth mother.
I need to ponder this some more, but my head is starting to hurt.
Perhaps Regina made a deal with Tink to give Snow the fairy dust.
But what would Regina gain from that? Snow was keeping that dust to use on Regina. Unless it’s another case like Cora with the candle where she inadvertently handed Snow the weapon to be used against her?
I’m not ready to rule out Tink being the one who gave Snow the fairy dust yet, but if it is the case, I don’t think we’ll see it until a Snow centric ep later in the season. If Tink isn’t showing up until ep3 and the Snowing ep is ep2, then we can’t be seeing Snow get fairy dust from Tink yet.
I’m thinking that ep2 will have to involve Snow’s time with RH, (who has been re-cast, so we must be seeing him early on in the season). And hasn’t there been talk about David having gone off on his own at some point in his pre-Snow days and people were wondering if maybe he also spent time with RH and that’s where he learned to swordfight? So perhaps in the ep2 Snowing centric, we’ll see flashbacks to times when both Snow and David were with RH? I’m imagining a situation where they only missed meeting each other by a day or so, and whichever one was there first says goodbye to RH right before the other one happens to come along.
[adrotate group="5"]Thanks for the link, obisgirl! Gonna see if I can get my act together to take a pic to submit.
The way “fans” have lashed out at Jen over this is revolting. Hope this vid will cheer her up a bit and make her feel the love instead.
OK, having watched the whole Panel now, I hadn’t seen it mentioned anywhere yet that the final question was:
Q: I want to know if we will find out what mermaid Regina was so interested about that she went to Rumple.
A: That’s a great question. I know, ah, that anything can happen in Neverland. Watch season 3.
So that’s basically confirmation that that mermaid Regina mentioned was Ariel and there is a NL component to that story, yes?
Thanks for the youtube links! Gonna go watch right after I’ve posted this…
Then there’s the reaction to the reaction. Just reading through this thread I’ve seen a lot of posters generalizing all Swan Queen fans into a group of angry LGBT supporters who only watched because they wanted a gay relationship on the show. And that’s all based on one tweet from Adam. We don’t know how many hate tweets he or JMo got, nor what they were about. So it’s not really fair to say that the whole Swan Queen community is represented by the unknown fraction that took to twitter and tumbler.
If my comments came off as being too much of a generalisation, I apologise. Sometimes I tend to ramble, and then I try to not ramble, but then my thoughts end up not fully explained. Anyway, I think that in this case it has been turned into an LGBT issue. JMo has obviously gotten a considerable amount of feedback that is specific in that nature if she was prompted to issue a statement like this:
I fully support relationships of all kinds. Heterosexual and homosexual. I am insulted that people read into banter in press situations and assume anything else.
https://www.facebook.com/permalink.php?story_fbid=10151806703143689&id=384069508688
So while not every disappointed SQ shipper is reacting on the grounds of the LGBT issue, there is at least an angry and vocal minority who are overshadowing this argument by automatically throwing around accusations of homophobia, and accusing someone of that isn’t something that should be thrown around lightly or ignorantly.
There are plenty, who will argue that the ship was based on story and the chemistry between the two actresses. I ship Hooked Queen but I’ll be the first to admit, the “un-intentional” allusions to that relationship where pretty overt. If Adam and Eddy didn’t intend for people to ship them, then why did they emphasize family, make a huge point that they are both Henry’s mothers and love him, and then have Regina and Emma join there magic in the finale in a big ball of energy that explodes at their pelvises. After that scene I actually did scratch my head and tell my friends, “Maybe they are going to do it.”
I’d totally not made the pelvic explosion correlation until reading your post. If someone was watching it through SQ goggles, I can totally see why it’d be obvious though, (like how I didn’t get that the bean was considered an iconic CS symbol until someone posted about it and I thought that yeah, I can see how you’d go there if you were watching it with a CS bias in mind, but it hadn’t registered for me personally).
As to the point of them having been shown as both being Henry’s mothers and emphasizing them as family, I don’t connect that to them being set up as a romantic partnership. Plenty of people hold the view that SwanFire can still be effective co-parents to Henry even if they’re not romantically involved. Personally SF is my endgame, but I’m just saying that the discussion is out there that two parents can parent a child together and they can be a healthily functioning family without them having to be together in a romantic relationship sense. So no matter who Henry’s parents are, I don’t think that should have any bearing on who Emma is romantically involved with. I don’t consider SF being Henry’s bio-parents as the big foreshadowing reason for them getting back together, so I also can’t see SQ being Henry’s mothers as a foreshadowing reason for them getting together.
I could argue that if they did intend for SQ to be a realistic option, then why have they shown Regina being hell bent on destroying Emma’s parents? Because setting aside the other arguments for why it’s not a realistic ship like all the family tree stuff and the both characters being straight stuff, that right there is something major that makes the possibility of SQ an impossibility to me. If someone hated my mother with every fibre of their being like that, I would not ever be able to trust that someone with my own heart.
They showed us Snow, on the floor, sobbing over her husband who she believed had just been killed by Regina’s orders. Regina stalked in and stood over them, demanding to know where newborn Emma was, and Snow likely believed that Regina would have happily killed newborn Emma with her own two hands to prevent her from being able to grow up and break the Curse. IMO there is no way they could have written a believable situation where Snow, having experienced that, would be able to come to a place where she could give her blessing to SQ. She would always be afraid for her daughter’s safety, even if Emma’s big enough to look after herself now.
All other arguments aside, that’s the crux of why SQ has just never seemed like viable option to me. Because of the history they gave these characters, Snowing’s child and the EQ being in love just does not compute for me and they could have never written it in a way that I’d have believed it.
So they said Tinker Bell has a surprising connection to someone on the panel besides Colin/Hook, so that means Tinker Bell’s connection won’t be with the Blue Fairy. I wonder who it is.
I’m still pulling for it to be Belle lol, although I don’t know how that would fit into what we know about her past. Unless it was before she met Rumple.
In the thread for Adam’s responses to Twitter questions are tweets confirming that ep3 will be Regina centric, and that’s the ep that the supposed Tink casting call was for. I haven’t been to check yet if there’s been more discussion on that since I was last online, but it could possibly imply that Regina is the one that Tink will have a surprising connection to.
People are seriously saying that to Lana?! O.M.G…I just…WHAT IN THE ACTUAL?!
I love it because we, as the fans, can interact freely with the actors we love. But the way I see it, it’s a privilege to be able to ask them questions about stuff.
But you know what can happen if actors don’t feel welcomed on twitter? They can shut it down and leave for a very long time. Now Oncers, ask yourselves, do you want that to happen?
Well said! Twitter can be a double edged sword. I think it makes some people feel entitled to a certain relationship with celebs, (not just talking about this particular fandom). If you call yourself a fan and then go tweeting abuse to the person you claim to be a fan of…well I’d hate to be your enemy if that’s how you treat people you allegedly love.
K&H were damned either way in this situation. If they’d not shut down the possibility now and just let people go on believing SQ had a shot at being canon, then they’d have inevitably got this reaction anyway when Emma ended up with a man. Maybe they should have shut it down even sooner, but then, it’s only that one section of the fandom that ever read “romance” into SQ’s relationship, and to the majority of us it just seemed to go without saying that both characters are straight, so how could anyone have realistically expected that this relationship could become canon?
Fanon is for indulging in all this stuff you imagine in relation to the show. Sometimes fanon becomes canon, more often than not it doesn’t. That doesn’t mean that you can’t still indulge in fanon. The canon reality of SQ is at the same level today as it was before CC. So while it’s undoubtedly disappointing for the shippers to have had their ship officially sunk, if they still wanna keep shipping it as fanon, writing fics, making art, then they should keep it up and use it to enhance their enjoyment of the show, rather than using their hurt over the situation to destroy the show for them and make them lash out with personal insults towards the writers and actors who have done nothing to deserve such abuse.
The casting call believed to be for Tink was for ep 3. Which is the Regina ep. So…Regina and Tink connection?
Just remembered something I saw earlier today when I was looking at his tweets…
@MirzaOliveira yes
— Adam Horowitz (@AdamHorowitzLA) July 21, 2013
@oncenewgleek EP 2 is snowing
— Adam Horowitz (@AdamHorowitzLA) July 21, 2013
My sleepy brain just realised that I said RQ could be “Alice’s mother” in my previous post when I meant “Grace’s mother”. Ooops.
Anyway, the idea of RQ being Alice’s sister is an interesting one! The Panel implied that Alice’s father would play into the story and would have reasons for having Alice locked up.
I think if GG became pregnant in real life, the pregnancy would be written into the story. Snow finding out she is pregnant would add more family drama to the Charmings’ lives without them having to be separated and try and find one another all the time. Snow and Charming could be happy that they actually get to be parents and raise a child whilst Emma may feel a bit of sibling jealousy that the new baby would get the childhood that she should’ve had.
True! I’ve always thought Snowing wouldn’t have another baby until the end of the show’s run, but it would certainly provide for some emotionally conflicting storylines if it happened earlier.
2) Perhaps the magical bean does take a person wherever he or she needs to go. If so, then maybe the magic “sensed” Neal would need to arrive in a place where help would be (i.e. in the form of Mulan, Philip, and Aurora and possibly the healing water of Lake Nosotos). Neal being in FTL is somehow was fortuitous because in meeting Philip, he might just discover that the land where lost souls go is also the same as NL. Also, by meeting Aurora, she can communicate with Henry, David and Snow via the “red room” (ie. the netherworld where a person goes while asleep). So, it is almost ‘providential’ that Neal meets them.
I like this. MRJ did point out during the Panel that Neal was lucky to have landed where he did.
*this is brain crack at its finest*
At least this time I can use Comic-Con fueled sleep deprivation delirium as an excuse, (got 2.5 hours sleep this morning & now it’s midnight & my eyes wanna close but my brain is all must speculate!) 😛
Also, Hook said in the Crocodile that he’s “had many a man’s wife”. Since that was 300 years ago, what’s the odds that at least some of those wives could have gotten pregnant because of Hook before he moved on with his travels. What if there are present day relatives of Hook running around the likes of FTL and Storybrooke?
I’d like that, because right now the guy has no family, and it’d be interesting to see him come to terms with suddenly having relatives seek him out.
