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I’ve been wondering if Hook started to make a nuisance of himself by attempting to rescue Bae, and so PP essentially kicked him out of NL to get rid of him.
I’m imagining him being presented with the option of leaving to get the Crocodile, or staying to fight for Bae, and then me wanting to cry when he chooses the former, even though I already knew it’s what he was gonna do.
They like to have their broken characters backslide while trying to redeem themselves, case in point: Regina. So I can see them putting Hook in a position where he attempts to do right by going to look for Bae, but then he’s presented with a choice, and makes the wrong one.
If PP did kick him out of NL, it’s coming back to bite him now, because Hook’s coming back with the cavalry to save Henry. Sort of similar to how Cora’s the one who set up the candle’s powers, and in the end, she was the one who fell victim to it. Karma sucks, yo.
[adrotate group="5"]Yeah, but that’s what makes Neal/Emma more interesting than Hook/Emma to me, they have issues both internal and between themselves, that’s a great background for storytelling for the seasons to come, to see them slowly resolve them.
And redemption is one of the main themes of this show. Characters who have done evil deeds are getting redemption arcs. Neal has never done an evil deed.
Neal is the guy who sacrifices himself for the well being of others. He went down the beanhole because he was willing to leave the only world he knew because doing so would save his father’s soul. He went with the Shadow because it was the only way for the Darling boys to remain safe. He let go of Emma’s hand so that Henry wouldn’t lose both of his bio-parents, the way they had both lost their parents.
If anyone on this show deserves to be forgiven and redeemed for hurt he may have caused to others, it’s Neal. And if they’re gonna have Emma reach a place emotionally where she can fully forgive him, I believe she’d also want to be with him again. Seeing them work through all of that to find their way back to each other wholly and completely would make for some wonderful, emotional drama, which would see them come full circle, back to the blissful time when they first met. And that’s some fulfilling, romantic storytelling right there IMO.
And then there’s the question of what would qualify as a happily ever after for Hook. Back in the day, he seemed to me to be a man who didn’t want to become attached to a single place, who sought for adventures, to sail through the seas, to see the world. Milah too craved all that, and that’s what brought them to be in love with each other, but Emma wants the opposite, she wants a place to call home, and that’s in Storybrooke with her son and parents. Would a Hook who has fully let go of all the hatred that has driven his life since Milah’s death finds fullfillment in settling down? It’s possible, I guess, as people’s idea of a happily ever after can change over the course of a lifetime, but I’m more inclined to believe he’d want that life that drew Milah to him once again. Feel free to disagree with me.
No disagreement here, in fact it’s one of the reasons I crackship Hookriel, because Ariel was all about wanting to explore new worlds and would happily sail the seas with Hook for the rest of their days.
Emma’s been moved around her whole life against her will. I reckon she’d love nothing more than to be able to have a home to come back to every day for the rest of her life. No more temporary homes. No more living out of a car. No more sneaking into newly vacated hotel rooms to grab a shower before housekeeping comes along. No more having to move around constantly, always looking over her shoulder. No more isolated apartment where she doesn’t even properly unpack her few boxes of belongings. After almost 30 years of that crap, if I were Emma, I’d wanna settle down, I’d want a place to truly belong, and family to belong with.
Neal’s greatest wish has always been to have a family. As a kid, the happiest time in his life was the couple of weeks he spent with the Darlings as part of their family. He didn’t feel that sense of belonging somewhere again until he met Emma and they dreamed of Tallahassee.
SwanFire both want to settle down. Hook may have decided he wants more from life now, but I can’t see him giving up the JR for a picket fence.
I think CaptainSwan and SwanFire are both going to happen. Neither one can be endgame without the other having been played out. As for which will be endgame, that remains to be seen.
I agree that both relationships will be explored, and they should be. Emma has a connection with both guys. I think her relationship with Hook can be just as vital and rewarding for her character growth if they just remain close friends. But I can also see that there’s a basis they could build on if they do want to have them getting romantic.
However, Neal betrayed Emma. No matter what his reasons, whether they were justified or not, a betrayal is still a betrayal.
Same can be said for Hook, though his actions weren’t as justifiable. He was gonna leave her to rot in Rumple’s cell so he could get back to SB to get his Crocodile, (I say this as someone who loves Hook, that was a douchey thing for him to do). Both of Emma’s potential suitors have caused her to end up locked in a jail cell.
His actions have affected her life. She went to jail and now has trouble trusting people because of him. That aspect can’t just be ignored.
Her parents’ actions affected her life negatively too. She was growing up alone, never belonging, never having a family, and stealing to survive (even before she met Neal), because her parents sent her away.
They did so with the hope of giving her her best chance.
Emma gave Henry away with the hope of giving him his best chance.
Neal gave Emma away with the hope of giving her her best chance of finding her family one day.
If Henry can forgive Emma and love her. If Emma can forgive her parents and love them. Why then couldn’t Emma also forgive Neal and still love him too?
So you don’t think they interacted with the outside world at all through the internet? That would be strange, wouldn’t it? If they did, I think those people in our world would get confused by what was going on in Storybrooke!
If the outside world had to remain oblivious to SB existing, it’s a convenient way to explain that if no one in SB ever had the urge to communicate with the outside world. I can buy the idea that none of them tried to communicate.
Except…Henry. He used the mommy finder website and MM’s credit card.
I could buy it if it turned out that the mommy finder site wasn’t a legit site, and was just a setup by someone who wanted Henry to get the info. If not, and that site was the real deal, then it means that Regina’s address is on record in a real world system, and I don’t see how that could be, because as far as the real world is concerned, Regina’s address doesn’t actually exist.
But then, MM’s credit card had to be verified by real world systems or Henry couldn’t have bought the bus ticket or paid for the cab. So magically created info has to be recogniseable by real world systems, even if the real world isn’t aware that SB or anything or anyone in it even exist.
Unless the bus and the cab were a setup too, along with the mommy finder site.
*headdesk*
Of course, all this falls into the category of things we are not supposed to think too hard about! 😉
And even though we know that, and we should just shrug and say, “it’s magic”, look at us go anyway. LOL 😉
I’m inclined to believe Henry was taken to Storybrooke by someone opposing Peter’s plans for him, it can’t be a coincidence that for 11 years Storybrooke was the one place on Earth that Henry could’ve grown up without being found by the Home Office agents.
Possibly, but again that brings up the question of someone else in our world having to know all about these people and the specific situation, and right now we have no one else who would fit that bill. Unless it was someone within THO working undercover to thwart PP’s efforts?
I guess maybe Tink, if she was working against PP instead of being his ally. We just dunno yet what her role will be or if she was even able to come to our world to have been able to interfere with Henry’s whereabouts.
I think August may have drawn THO’s attention to Neal as the son of the dark one,
How did August know about Neal being Bae if no one told him though? As Pinocchio, he had no clue about a Baelfire even existing, let alone that he was Rumple’s son. So someone in this world had to tell him all about Bae at some point.
Who in this world knew about Bae?
We know who in another world knew about Bae: PP.
PP wanted Henry.
GOAT (working for THO) have taken Henry to NL and PP.
So THO is somehow connected with PP.
PP knew Bae, meaning he could have easily informed THO about him.
THO then sent Tamara to get her claws into Bae.THO got their claws into Greg because as a kid, he babbled about magic. I imagine little August babbled about magic too, because he was clueless about this world being different to his, so why wouldn’t he talk about the magical land he’d come from? So if THO found Greg and made him their agent in that way, I reckon they did the same with August.
If not, then August had to find out about Bae’s existence from someone else entirely, and as things stand right now, we don’t know of anyone else in our world apart from THO who could have had access to knowledge about Bae.
If PP knew Henry was the boy he was after, why would he send him to Storybrooke? Why not kidnap him as a baby?
Maybe he had to be of a certain age? Ep 1 is called Heart of the Truest Believer, and if that does end up referring to Henry, well, babies don’t believe in anything. So maybe PP had to wait until such a time that that strength was sparked in Henry before he would become useful. If so, then the child had to be kept in a secure environment until such time, and SB was perfect for that. And that something that turned him into the “truest believer” was learning the story of his family and having to fight to prove the truth to Emma.
Which all cycles back to THO, controlled by PP, having controlled August’s actions in breaking up SF, because if they were a happy little family all living together, Henry wouldn’t have been put in that extreme situation he needed to be in to prove himself and become exactly the “true believer” that PP needed him to be.
Perhaps?
Is anyone actually heading out to the set anytime soon?
Don’t I wish! If only I’d planned another of my trips over there to go to NKOTB concerts for this year, because their last show was in Tacoma, next one is Vancouver, so I could totally be in exactly the right part of the world for set stalking right now, (friend of mine who lives in Vancouver, I told her next time I visit we’re totally visiting Steveston). Alas, instead I’m stuck a frillion miles away. *pout*
Feels like I need to do something to mark the occasion. Maybe I’ll sprinkle some cinnamon on my hot chocolate tomorrow or something. LOL
Tumblr is kind of scary I think! I feel like a little kid at the edge of a deep pool, then I choke and go back to the safety of the kiddie end where I don’t have to know how to make a blog.
LOL I only started checking it out regularly while the forums were down and I needed a daily OUAT fix. Haven’t posted anything myself, (was gonna post the large version of the bit I made for the centre of my sig banner, but apparently your tags don’t show in searches unless you’re an active user, which I’m not, I just like lurking).
What did Snow think about how August knew the name Neal, when all Snow said was “Henry’s father”?
I hadn’t really thought about that, but now that you mention it, it’s a fair question. Guess we’ll just have to assume that Emma had mentioned August’s involvement to Snow at some point.
Phee, your banner is fantastic. I usually don’t do stuff with SwanFire on tumblr, although I should start supporting them more. I do get the feeling that most SwanFire fans are resigned to CaptainSwan happening, but I guess fanfiction can always fill a need where the show doesn’t.
Thanks Josephine! 🙂 When it comes to ships for Emma, CS and SQ dominate tumblr by far. Wasn’t until I actually did a specific search for SF that I noticed the stuff on there for them too.
We don’t have all the puzzle pieces, so all I know is what looks more fairytale to me at this point in the story.
This tumblr post from Schmacky (who I know sometimes posts here too) sums up this sentiment pretty well:
At the end of the day, Adam and Eddy are the only ones who truly know what Emma’s endgame is gonna be, but it’s stuff like what Schmacky summarised in that post that makes me think that I’ll be surprised if SF isn’t endgame. It just makes the most sense IMO. They’re the best fit, for each other, and for the style of story this show is based on.It’s true that Emma isn’t a typical fairytale character, because she’s a product of our world, so you could argue that her happy ending shouldn’t necessarily follow that fairytale model. But at the end of the day, no matter where she grew up, she’s still a fairytale princess, this show is about fairytale love stories, and SF has been playing out like a fairytale that ultimately ends with the destined Girl and Boy overcoming the odds and living happily ever after.
