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Well, it seems Regina was able to edit it, so she could draw in people like Frankenstein and Jefferson from other worlds, and curse Jefferson to remember, and she wrote her failsafe diamond of doom into it too, as well as having Maleficent trapped down there to guard it. Rumple created the part of it that would get him to the right place and time to find Bae, but much of the details that would affect everyone to make them miserable seem to have been up to Regina to determine. So I’d call it a half truth instead of an outright lie. 😉
[adrotate group="5"]Holy crap, a lot of people watch NCIS. 😆
Anyway, for all the doom and gloom over ratings numbers, when you look at that overall end of season assessment, there was really never any doubt that ABC would want to renew OUAT, given that it’s one of their top performers. And I’d say that as long as they can keep pulling similar numbers for season 3, we should be in good stead for a season 4, too.
@Demileto wrote:
@Phee wrote:
Furthermore, Hook probably didn’t see Rumple there. But if all of Rumple’s NL business was conducted with Ursula, he was under the sea for the whole time anyway.
Oh, I wouldn’t be so sure about this, given how Rumple knew Smee had joined Hook’s crew when nothing in the flashbacks of “The Crocodile” indicated such. Also, Rumples knows and fears Peter Pan, he has to have faced him in Neverland at least once.
Ah, fair point about him knowing Smee was part of the crew. As far as his fear of PP, I’m currently preferring the theories that he had a run in with him as a child, as opposed to as an adult, but I’m not 100% sold either way just yet.
@HappyEndings wrote:
Except Rumble did lie they never went back were they came from orginally,
He never said they’d go back, he didn’t even specify that they’d be physically moved to a whole separate world they would want to come back from…
Rumpelstiltskin: The Queen has created a powerful curse. And it’s coming. Soon, you’ll all be in a prison. Just like me, only worse. Your prison, all of our prisons, will be time. Time will stop, and we will be trapped. Someplace horrible, where everything we hold dear, everything we love, will be ripped from us while we suffer for all eternity. While the Queen celebrates, victorious at last. No more happy endings.
Snow White: What can we do?
Rumpelstiltskin: We can’t do anything.
Snow White: Who can?
Rumpelstiltskin: That little thing, growing inside your belly.
(Rumpelstiltskin gestures to Snow White’s pregnant belly. The prince slashes his hand away with a sword.)
Prince Charming: Next time, I cut it off.
Rumpelstiltskin: Tsk tsk. The infant is our only hope. Get the child to safety. Get the child to safety and on its twenty-eighth birthday, the child will return. The child will find you and a final battle will begin.
@RumplesGirl wrote:
And she could always make an inside joke about how her best friend is a guppy or how her music teacher is crabby.
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Like Kat said, talking animals would be tricky for them to pull off. It would just look straight up comical.
I’d briefly entertained the possibility of Bae being her Scuttle, someone she spoke to about things from the human world. But it seems he’s probably gonna be locked up somewhere, and not getting out and about to socialise much, so scratch that idea.
@KFChimera wrote:
As for Ariel–I hope they realize how popular a character she is, and how many fans want her to be more than a passing guest star with just a very short arc.
Surely, they must. I wonder how much input K&H have over DVD extras? For season 1, they had this featurette…
Once Upon A Time Origins (HD). Actor Josh Dallas hosts a look at the, well, origins behind the classic stories found in the show. Included are Snow White, Beauty and the Beast, Little Red Riding Hood, The Little Mermaid, and Rumpelstiltskin.
…and I remember thinking at the time, “Little Mermaid, say what?!” because it was the only story included that wasn’t already part of the show. It was either some ABC goon who had no idea who was putting that together, or it’s something that K&H approved. I’d like to think it was the latter, just because it means they’ve seen value in including the character right from the beginning.@KFChimera wrote:
Wait, isn’t it possible that August put the story about Bae in at the same time he added his own story? All we know is that the picture of Bae is there at the time of S,B,&T. We don’t know it was in the book before that point. Does Henry comment on Pinnochio’s story increasing? I kind of thought he was less worried about the book, and more on getting Emma to believe at that point in time, so he might not have noticed if there were stories he hadn’t seen yet.
From memory, he comments on Pinocchio’s story being added, because it hadn’t been there before. I love the idea that August added Bae’s story, (part of it at least) at the same time. It would make sense, if he was trying to drop little hints.
In any case–whether August read about Bae in the book begs one question–when did he do that? Because far as we know, he had not yet been to SB when he cornered Neal in the alley. So there has to be more story here, either August came to town on a previous trip before finding Emma, or someone else told him about Bae, or he knew him becasuse he met him. I really like the idea that he is on the run from the HO. It would lead to better in-story reasons for why August felt it so necessary to separate Neal and Emma.
August being an agent of THO is what makes the most sense to me. If THO has connections to PP, then they would have known about Nealfire. As a kid, August would have talked about the magical land he’d come from, and we know that THO recruits kids like that because it’s what happened with Owen. So THO gave August the mission to break up SwanFire, then August ran off to Phuket, and 10 years later, THO sent Tamara to help coax him back. And all of it was part of PP’s plan to get his claws into Henry.
@RumplesGirl wrote:
He may have come to SB before Tallahassee and that’s how he knew Jefferson?
Given that they cut the scene with Jefferson and August, and have never dropped any hints on the show since that there was a connection between them, I’m assuming that those two knowing each other was a plot point they changed their minds about. If it was something they wanted known by viewers, because it was gonna be canon at some point, they’d have included that cut scene on the DVD.
@HappyEndings wrote:
remember Regina thought she saw August before
Personally, I just think they dropped that line in there as a hint to the viewers that August was gonna be a fairytale character. That was reinforced by Emma’s line, “He must be one of the untold millions you cursed.” I doubt they meant it to be interpreted as August having been to SB before. In fact, everything they have since shown us about August’s movements confirms that he can’t have been in SB before.
They showed us Nealfire giving August a huge wad of cash. They then showed Emma in jail, getting a package from August that was sent from Phuket. When we saw August in Phuket, he seemed pretty at home there. Lounging around in bed with a beautiful woman in a tropical paradise. And he was speaking the language, suggesting he’d been there for some time. He was loving Phuket for 10 years, and the only reason he left was because he was forced to by his changing leg. We then saw him speaking to Nealfire in NYC when he was on his way to SB, which then connects up to the first time we saw him roll into town and meet Emma and Henry in the street. Therefore, he can’t have been involved in the adoption, and can’t have been in SB at a previous time for Regina to have seen him.
@HappyEndings wrote:
Question: Wasn’t it the BF that gave the book to Snow, I can’t remember ❓
We do not know where Snow got the book from.
Rumpelstiltskin: Tsk tsk. The infant is our only hope. Get the child to safety. Get the child to safety and on its twenty-eighth birthday, the child will return. The child will find you and a final battle will begin.
Rumble lied didn’t he, I wonder what else he lied about.
What are you suggesting is a lie in that quote? Their child did find them. And as for the “final battle”, fans have debated what that could have been referring to and whether or not we’ve seen the start of it yet. It was a vague comment, but then, we’ve since learned that Rumple’s visions of the future can be vague, so he could have meant almost anything, including things we’ve already seen happen in SB, so it’s not a line I get too hung up on trying to decipher.
@RumplesGirl wrote:
PP is very sneaky.
Sneaky PP is sneaky. 😉
@RumplesGirl wrote:
Besides: if Rumple knew where Bae was (ie: he saw him in NL) there would have been no reason to have cast the Curse. Rumple’s whole thing was finding Bae.
Yeah, if Rumple was in NL, he didn’t see Bae there. Furthermore, Hook probably didn’t see Rumple there. But if all of Rumple’s NL business was conducted with Ursula, he was under the sea for the whole time anyway.
@Pan14 wrote:
Hook said in the finale that… “…then they shall walk the plank and pray the mermaids take pity on their SOULS…” I’m paraphrasing, but the keyword here is SOULS.
I’d been thinking in more simplistic terms, as RumplesGirl said, just along the lines of them drowning anyone they catch in the water, (setting it up for Ariel to be the exception to the rule when she actually saves someone from drowning instead). Hadn’t really focused on “souls” so specifically, was just thinking of it as a general term for “life”, but you bring up some interesting possibilities. I am hoping they make their version of The Little Mermaid a bit darker.
I’m thinking their is a lot of room for Ariel and Hook to be a couple. He could be playing the role of her prince. Possibly.
Google “Hookriel” and you’ll see that there are already quite a few people out there shipping them. I’d love for it to happen!
@RumplesGirl wrote:
As to the father figure for LM/Ariel: Poseidon/Neptune is possible. Triton, from the movie, already bears resemblance to the idea of a water god and in the TV series he is called the son of Poseidon.
Just keeping his name as Triton would be a nod to the Greek god. Ariel’s father had no name in the Anderson version, (none of the characters actually had names, if memory serves), but Triton was a good name for Disney to give him. We’ve already had Midas in the Onceiverse, so why not the son of Poseidon as well.
@RumplesGirl wrote:
As to Atlantis: maybe? But that seems a bit much for one season that already has PP mythology and now possible The LM mythology. Remember, the biggest complaint this season was that H and K took too many toys out of the box. They need to be more concise in the future.
Actually delving into specific Atlantis history could be something they don’t have room for right now, but I could see them maybe naming Triton’s realm Atlantis. What better place to have a mythical, sunken island, than in the same world as a mythical island where time stands still.
@Surayya wrote:
But it still comes down to how did August knew it controled the dark one, he wasn’t around with Rumple was locked up everyone else was under the curse.
August knew about the dagger because HE HAD READ THE BOOK– remember he planted his own story in there after he stole it from Henry’s hiding place, so he knew all about it from there- if not before.
We still dunno exactly how much of Rumple’s story was in the book. Given that Henry hadn’t figured out who he was, it’s safe to say that there wasn’t an overwhelming amount of info about him in there. August did have a drawing of the dagger though, and that was something separate from the book.
My plot holes include:
How did SB get supplies etc.if no ‘real world’ people could find SB- there’s no way they could have been totally self sufficientThis bugged me up until Welcome to Storybrooke, after which it appeared likely that it was a construct of the curse to keep everything replenished. Each day looped to a certain extent, but things still progressed over the years as things like technology and fashion updated. “It’s magic” is the simplest explanation. The curse took care of them and made sure they remained fed. You’d think they’d be running low on supplies now since the curse breaking, though.
How Henry got into SB from the ‘real world’ if SB doesn’t even exist even on a map.
How did Henry even leave SB to go find Ema in the 1st place- it’s not like he caught the night bus outta SB, or hitched a ride? 😕 😕 😕I figure he just rode his bike to the nearest town that had a legit bus stop.
If Snow & Emma needed the compass in order for the FTL portal to send them to our world (I assume because they jumped in without a vessel), why then didn’t GOT need an indicator to get to NL? Or Bae to our world? *cough convenient cough* 😉
Snow and Emma’s portal was unique. It was made with ashes from the wardrobe, so it didn’t operate the same way that fully functioning bean portals do, so they needed the compass to help it determine their destination.
ETA: Didn’t see RG’s post before I submitted mine. Get out of my brain. 😆
@KFChimera wrote:
I don’t think the wraith was a specific nod to Harry Potter–that type of creature/art predates Harry Potter I think.
Yeah, the wraith concept ain’t unique and ain’t new: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wraith
I don’t think though that BF had a direct role in Henry’s adoption. At the time Henry was adopted, August was apparently off in Phuket. He mailed Emma the keys to the yellow bug (but stole the money) from there. Neal had given August that stuff in Canada, but August waited until he was in Phuket to send it. He must have gone pretty quickly after talking to Neal, since Emma is just finding out she is pregnant so unlikely he came back 8 months later to take Henry to SB. He might have, but I think with the new storyline of the HO it will trigger them using other players to get Henry to SB.
Yep, I’d been positive that it had to be BF who orchestrated the adoption…but I didn’t know that K&H had THO up their sleeves, and now they’re the ones who make sense to me. August buggered off to Phuket before Emma even knew she was pregnant, and he didn’t come back until he was heading to SB, so there’s no way he was involved with the adoption IMO.
As for saying you don’t think Gepetto and Pinnocchio went back and forth to NL on the raft–no one is saying they went back and forth on that thing. It may have been something they cobbled together after escaping, because it sure didn’t look like a planned raft for an ocean journey–but we don’t know how one gets to NL. Rumpel says he thought there were no more beans in his land, and Smee replies that ships that dock come from other lands, where they find treasures. It’s kind of curious if that might mean worlds rather than just countries in FTL.
I could see it if Pinocchio gets taken to NL, and then Geppetto builds himself a boat to go rescue him, and during the journey back, Monstro attacks and destroys the boat, just leaving them with that chunk of raft. As for how they get between FTL & NL, that’s anyone’s guess, but I’m sure they could come up with a way for it to happen. Plot Device Fairy to the rescue. 😛
