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@Sarah_TN wrote:
Colin O’Donoghue didn’t tweet. He might have been filming yeah, but I think he should have at least supported his fellow cast members. Just because he wasn’t in it, didn’t mean it should have been an irrelevant issue. Raphael Sbarge tweeted during that time slot, and he wasn’t it in it either. I thought his doing that showed a lot of good sportsmanship on his part. After all, they all play for the same team!
We don’t even know if he’s in Vancouver right now. If he’s back in Ireland, it would have been about 3am when the show was airing.
[adrotate group="5"]@AntBee wrote:
Maybe it’s because he’s usually more level headed than Regina because he generally has control of his emotions and because he has a lot more experience on her to think of these plans where he gets very little blood on his hands.
This was more what I was meaning when I said he always wins…that he’s so in control. Obviously he lost when lost Bae, and he’s paying all sorts of prices in the present day with Belle, but in all his manipulations, all those little deals he made over the centuries, he was the one in control of the game, so if he made a deal to get something, he got it, so why would he change the way he operates. We’ve yet to see Regina really get the best of someone like that. Yeah, she got her curse, but even that was really just a win for Rumple, and it all fell apart because she didn’t really understand the rules of the game. Rumple is always conscious of the state of play, even if he’s getting himself in deeper, he’s still aware and in control. Regina just flies off the handle and reacts emotionally, and I was hoping that by now, she’d have realised that that’s never really gotten her what she wanted.
Wonder if the jump was influenced at all by all the live tweeting. I swear, every cast member and their dog was live tweeting during the west coast screening, and I figured it was probably a ploy to try and get some more people watching live.
@RumplesGirl wrote:
True. If he does turn out to be Peter Pan, then he adopted a new name for himself, something not quite as unique as Baelfire, so Hook wouldn’t have been able to identify him by that. Unless someone else in Neverland knew his real name and let it slip.
Sentiments like this one make me really excited to see what happens when Hook swaggers back into SB. Neal has seen him but he hasn’t seen Neal. I know he’s all grown up now, but that doesn’t mean Hook won’t recognize him.
OMG I need to see a conversation between these two ASAP. Even just exchanging looks, no dialogue necessary. The moment those two meet up, a bunch of my theories are gonna be proven true or come crashing down, but either way, I just need to see them interact!
If someone did let it slip, my money is on Tink. She betrays Pan in the Disney movie (haven’t actually read the books, sorry!) to Hook because of her jealousy over Wendy. Instead of telling Hook Peter’s location (as in the movie) she could reveal his true identity,
Yes, my money would be on Tink too. He’s sought council from a fairy before, so may be inclined to divulge info like his real identity to Tink.
@Keb wrote:
Not only is there the whole “you killed my mother” aspect, but Rumple lied to Bae about where Milah went when Bae was a child, before he was even the Dark One. He told Bae that Milah was dead, though Bae apparently had some doubts even then.
Actually, I think the lie may hurt more than the killing;
Good point! Talk about adding insult to injury.
@Keb wrote:
See, I love Rumple to death and I was seriously conflicted by what he did here, too. I’m still desperately trying to work out the tangled emotions behind that cold look as he stands over Regina and Cora’s body. I’m not entirely sure what to make of his “I did nothing” or “Your mother did you no favors.”
I think, “I did nothing,” was one of those instances where Rumple chooses words very carefully. Notice what it was in reply to: “You stole her life. You cast some spell.” “I did nothing,” in direct response to that wasn’t technically a lie. I don’t dispute that he actually did have an awful lot to do with Cora’s death, but did he personally cast a spell that took her life? No. Dude is a master of crafting words and manipulating without outright lying.
Also truth, “Your mother did you no favours.” Rumple knows that Cora had been happily scheming away since before Regina was even conceived. I think in that moment, he was back there in the past with young Cora, remembering the dream he’d had of their potential life together, until she screwed him over and he felt it all slip away from him. In a way, he totally gets what Regina is feeling in relation to Cora. Both of them had an affection for her, despite knowing she was bad for them, and both of them suffered losing her when they were on the brink of believing they’d have her forever. Of course, Rumple’s never done Regina any favours either, so he’s not really in a position to be dissing Cora. Maybe he was trying to say, “You’ll be better off without her,” but that’s not really what Regina wants to be hearing right now.
And even if he does have conflicted feelings about Cora’s death and Regina’s pain–both of which he probably feels are highly deserved on various levels, yet which compare so much with the reunion he spent a couple hundred years seeking with Bae,
The previous scene with Bae must be weighing on his mind in that moment. He’s finally getting that chance at a reunion with his child, and he’s just played a role in robbing Regina of the same thing.
@TheEvilOne wrote:
I know, how can I support Regina and be so angry with Rumple. Well I now Regina is a villain, I know she has done a lot of terrible terrible things, and I know she is paying for them. She also hasn’t learned anything, she keeps letting people put ideas into her head, I wish my girl would start thinking for herself and actually think on her actions.
When she first aligned with Cora in SB, I was really hoping Regina was playing her. I was really hoping she’d got a clue and was being devious in order to bring her mother down. I’m not an EvilRegal, but I was giving her the benefit of the doubt and really hoping. Then I ended up disappointed. Though the storyline we’ve got is incredibly compelling and I can’t wait to see where it goes next, but I’m just saying, I’d have actually had some respect for Regina for pretty much the first time ever if she’d played Cora at her own game, but alas. Rumple may never learn his lessons either, but I can see why he doesn’t, because he wins. How many times does Regina have to lose before she realises she needs to change how she operates?
But Regina has no one, not a single person to care for her.
This is true, and really sad. They’ll have to have someone else join TeamRegina at some point, because I suspect she’s gonna go so dark now that she won’t be able to haul herself out of it. Wonder who will be the one to eventually help her?
@Keb wrote:
Well, who’s to say that Hook knew who Baelfire was? Bae may well have kept that secret, even if Hook revealed that he knew Rumple or Milah at some point.
True. If he does turn out to be Peter Pan, then he adopted a new name for himself, something not quite as unique as Baelfire, so Hook wouldn’t have been able to identify him by that. Unless someone else in Neverland knew his real name and let it slip.
@ItachiIshtar wrote:
I think Bae actually doesn’t know that Rumple killed Millah. I think he would have brought it up during his conversation in “Manhattan.”
Good point, you’d think that would have been a good way for him to shut Rumple down if he’d known. “You killed my mother, what makes you think I ever wanted to see you again?”
@AntBee wrote:
That would be great to see Neal be used in helping Hook do something else besides trying to get revenge on Rumple all the time, but I don’t think it will be that easy. He’ll definitely tell Neal what Rumple did to Milah,
I’m not convinced of that. If they did hang out together in Neverland for a couple hundred years, Hook had ample chance to tell him then if he wanted to. If he hasn’t told him by now, I think it’s because he doesn’t want to hurt the kid, so I dunno that he’d just blurt it out in SB.
and I also think that now that Cora is out of the way, he’ll be the one to go after Henry, so it forces the Charmings/Rumple family/Regina to work together at least temporarily since we never really got that when Cora was a threat.
If he wants to keep flirting with Emma, he’d best not try to kill Henry. 😆 I don’t ship CaptainSwan, but they were all so coy about it at Paleyfest, it wouldn’t surprise me if they have a little somethin’ planned there, which wouldn’t be possible if he was out for Henry’s blood. If anyone poses any real threat to Henry’s safety, I think it’s Rumple.
@RumplesGirl wrote:
From the promo it almost looks like they’re on a hill looking down into SB, not already in it.
Yes, they’re looking down on the town, but we don’t know how far out into the woods the SB boundary lies, so they may have still been within its borders.
@Keb wrote:
I am overthinking this show entirely too much.
We’re Oncers, that’s how we roll. 😆
Regarding Hook and his dead man of the year label because he and Rumple are out for each other’s blood, it’s obviously gonna take something major for either or both of them to give up on his vendetta. This is one of the reasons I hope Nealfire(Pan?) and Hook were on friendly terms in Neverland. If he’s stuck in the middle of Hook and Rumple, and if they both care for him, he can tell them to get the eff over themselves and move on, if not for their own sakes, then for his. It would resolve the vengeance storyline so we can move on to something new, without anyone having to die.
I think we may see Henry’s life threatened before the end of the season, but I hope no one else dies.
@Arkham258 wrote:
I have to say, Bae certainly acted like Peter Pan this last episode. Comfortable with a sword, not even remotely afraid of Cora and Regina, and even showing a little cockiness. It’s certainly the way that I view Peter Pan from the movies and cartoons I’ve seen him in. His personality fits
Indeed! I hope Hook is the one who taught him how to swashbuckle. Boat driving lessons in the morning, and swordfighting with a cutlass class after lunch.
