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Didn’t they filmed a car chase scene through SB for this ep, with Sheriff Graham chasing someone? I’m guessing it was this car, and it was the first time anyone tried to leave town, and they ended up going BAM at the borderline, and thus, the legend of bad things happening when people try to leave town was born.
[adrotate group="5"]FWIW, the guy they’ve cast as Prince Henry is Latino, which makes me think that he is indeed Regina’s bio-dad. Which, now that I’m thinking about it, probably rules out George being an older sibling to Henry, as we’ve speculated, with Cora’s “5th in line to the throne” talk. Unless it’s an older sister, and George married her to join that particular royal line, so he’s a brother-in-law to Henry. Anyway, basically, a very definitely Latino young Prince Henry seems to indicate to me that Regina will be related to him by blood, which means we don’t have to worry about Rumple being the baby daddy. I hope.
Yes, I’m really hoping they get around to one day showing us exactly how all these stories became known in our world! Maybe the Brothers Grimm were realm jumpers?
@TheGoldenKey wrote:
I’m still questioning who this Prince is that we see. He doesn’t fit the physical appearance of Henry Sr. nor has he been introduced by name at any point. Cora assumed he was Prince Henry based on King Xavier calling him son earlier on. Note that he never acknowledges or denies that he is to Cora. He only asks her to dance.
Maybe the Prince Henry she gets to marry after spinning gold isn’t the beau hunk she things he is. 😉 😀
Wasn’t the casting call for a Young Henry though? The cast list on IMDB lists him as Prince Henry.
@Andreth Stark wrote:
@RumplesGirl wrote:
Isn’t there a fairy tale along those same lines? Where they put all the princes (or princesses) in masks at a ball and invited the whole land and only the person who was meant to marry the heir actually found them because it was true love, ect. Am I hallucinating this fairy tale?
Isn’t one of the scenes in Jim Henson’s Labyrinth? when Sara finds Jareth in masks at a ball?
Even more, it is the way in which Romeo and Juliet met, without know who they are… and mainly a cliché in that sort of “true tragic love” stories, i’m sure there are more.
So no, you are not hallucinating 😉Since RumplesGirl mentioned it, now I’m sure I’ve heard a story like that before, and it’s gonna drive me crazy trying to figure it out. It’s something other than Labyrinth and Romeo and Juliette, (the tragedy of which would certainly fit with Henry and Cora, especially if she also ends up dead in this ep), because I get the feeling it’s something I read as a kid.
When I tried googling, I did come across that the ball in Disney’s Princess and the Frog was a masquerade ball, but I’ve never seen that movie, so it can’t be what I was thinking of.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Princess_and_the_Frog#PlotBut sticking with the frogs…
“The Frog Prince; or, Iron Henry” (German: Der Froschkönig oder der eiserne Heinrich, literally “The Frog King or the Iron Heinrich”) is a fairy tale, best known through the Brothers Grimm’s written version; traditionally it is the first story in their collection.
Iron Henry? Hmmm.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Frog_Prince_%28story%29And then there’s also The Frog Princess…
The king sets his three sons to marry, and tests their chosen brides.
That caught my eye, with the speculation about there having been several royal siblings.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frog_PrincessBut I still haven’t figured out where I know that masquerade ball story from.
@MysteryKat25 wrote:
I’ll take either of the Hook timelines. He clearly had a mind to go to Neverland to get the time he needed to find a way to get revenge which begs the following questions:
Was he there at some point in the past?
Was Milah ever there with him?
Did he only learn of Neverland after Milah’s death / the element of “time” became important?
If so who told him he should go there? Smee?Smee can’t have told him, because Smee had to ask him where they were going. We don’t know how much time passed between Milah’s death and Hook taking them to Neverland. How long did Hook have to consider his next move and plan that trip? Did he have time to find out enough info and put together enough pieces to figure out that perhaps Milah and Rumple’s son had gone there? If so, was part of that reasoning because he’d been there previously himself, so he knew it’s where Lost Boys went? If he did go there looking for Bae, was it with the motivation of using the kid as a pawn in his revenge plot against Rumple? Or was it because he wanted to connect to a part of Milah that was still alive?
Really hope we get to see Killian’s childhood in season 3. Love the idea that he could have once been a Lost Boy himself, and am also dying to know if that surname of his is connected to Davy Jones in some way.
@PriceofMagic wrote:
Perhaps the tease will be to Peter Pan since we know Peter Pan isn’t going to be shown until season 3. I’m not entirely convinced Bae is Peter though I’ve been wrong before. I think Bae was either a pirate in Neverland or a Lost boy.
There was some quote from Paleyfest, and I don’t recall the exact wording, but it essentially implied that we’d be introduced to someone new by season’s end, but not actually see who they are yet. When I heard that, I wondered if perhaps they were hinting that at the very end of the season, maybe even the final shot, we’ll see Bae in Neverland, but it won’t be until next season that they explain who he was there.
@slurpeez108 wrote:
Also, Emma wanted her codename to be “pumpkin” in Operation Cobra and lied to Henry that his dad would always order pumpkin pie –as in Peter, Peter, Pumpkin Eater, which I believe is an indicator of Henry’s dad also be the Peter Pan.
Yes! I was fixated on the pumpkin pie being a nod towards Peter, Peter, Pumpkin Eater, but had connected it to Henry’s father having been a married man. But now it seems that it was just pointing to the name Peter.
@MysteryKat25 wrote:
My main desire is actually for a less predictable path when we haven’t had to rule that out yet. Anything that is shown to us I’ll gladly take into consideration and revise my thinking on in the future. Here’s hoping I don’t resent endgame *curse you Lost* (in other words, whoever ends up with whoever – for any pairing on the show – better earn it. The show needs to MAKE me see it and GIVE ME REASONS it makes sense. I can play Devil’s Advocate all day, just give me something to work with definitive and don’t rule anything out until then – that’s my motto. All’s fair game until it isn’t.)
I like your motto, and your post, (even though I do hope SwanFire are endgame). Sometimes it’s better to be long-winded to make sure your point of view is explained properly. Every now and then, there’ll be a theory for this show that I get absolutely convinced of, but I know that even if it makes complete sense in my own head, I can’t do a victory dance unless and until we actually see it, and I’m always open to what K&H want to have their characters do.
Also agree that any endgame pairings have to earn it and have it be believable. That’s one of the reasons I love Rumbelle, because it’s not coming easy for them, even though we’ve known they’re endgame since the moment her kiss began to break his curse.
@MysteryKat25 wrote:
Well if he is NealFire Pan I’d realllly prefer he end up with a relation of Wendy if not Wendy herself.
Allegedly they were originally looking for someone with a Brit accent for the role of Tamara. It wasn’t mentioned in the casting call we saw, but an article somewhere suggested it. IF that’s true, then I think it could likely point towards Tamara being Wendy, given that the Darlings were Brits, and maybe they ultimately decided that her having that accent would be too much of a hint at Nealfire being Pan. So perhaps, along with her changing her name when she got back to our world, she also adopted a new accent.
I’d been riding the Tinkmara train, but that was based partially on Mother Superior having had her memories and sending her to find Bae, but with them saying that Blue didn’t keep her memories, I’m having to re-evaluate a bunch of stuff, including Tinkmara. I prefer Wendy as an option for her over Tiger Lily, just because Tiger Lily was a specific race, different to Tamara.
In some respects, Tamara being Wendy would fit perfectly, because she’d be someone not originally from Neverland who NealFirePan would have something in common with, and she’d understand what he’d been through in his life. That would create a close bond. But the glitch in the theory is…if they’re Peter Pan and Wendy, why was she not around in the SwanThief days? If he knew Wendy in our world, why was he all lost and alone when he met Emma?
@MysteryKat25 wrote:
Now that I think about it, it could totally be a play on words as well (probably a stretch): connecting “more RAIN” and “WINDY.” I shall dub Peter & Wendy FORECAST if this is the case.
😆
It also wouldn’t surprise me if Tamara turned out to be Tinkerbell for the sole reason that she’s engaged to Neal right now. Tink is usually in love with Peter but doesn’t get him in the end (that should appease the SwanFire fans that I just upset)
Yes, that’s one of the reasons I’m suspecting she may be Tink, because she was crushing on Peter.
Either way I am more than ready for more Hook storylines, preferably ones that don’t involve him being tossed to the floor and used by absolutely everybody. Hopefully we’ll finally get to see more of the sweet, charming, fun side we saw in Tallahassee. He seemed to genuinely have felt sympathy for the lost boys so I’d like to see that backstory and see how much of that was real as well as seeing a new twist on his story. I’ve been anxious for Neverland since the character was announced.
Yes, OMG I’m dying to see K&H’s take on Neverland and what happened there. Hook’s apparently fondness when mentioning the Lost Boys just made me even more eager to see how everyone got on there.
@ItachiIshtar wrote:
He’s the boy who NEVER grew up, which is a big reason why I am against Bae being Peter. If Bae is Peter, that would mean Peter grew up.
One of the things I’ve liked about the possibility of Nealfire being Pan is that the boy who didn’t grow up for so long, became the father of the only kid in SB who did grow up. It’s a fun little parallel IMO.
@slurpeez108 wrote:
Regina and Killian may both be “emotionally damaged” from losing people they loved, but then again, so are Baelfire and Emma scarred from feelings of abandonment.
Emma and Bae didn’t use the experience of having lost their love to fuel a violent vengeance plot though. Regina and Hook went hardcore with the hate and wanting to kill the person they deemed responsible for their suffering, and they’ve held onto that hate with an iron grip for decades/centuries. I think each of them needs someone strong, kind, and sane to support them in moving forward.
