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@Jbwood5 wrote:

I believe hook knew exactly who bae was the whole time but bae didn’t know who hook was (his mothers lover).

I think Bae knows exactly who Captain Hook is in relation to his mother (i.e. the pirate who took her, which in itself is enough reason for Bae’s vendetta against Hook).

I’m taking the middle ground here and saying that Bae in Neverland may have recognised Hook as the man who had been with his mother that night, but that doesn’t necessarily mean he ever learned the whole truth, that she left them for him, and that his father ended up killing her.

It’s possible that Hook never told him that his father murdered Milha, but I have a feeling Hook disclosed this piece of information to Bae. After all, Hook isn’t exactly discrete about wanting his “revenge” or wanting to skin a crocodile; he repeats those phrases to anyone in earshot.

Though Hook hasn’t been shy about stating it as far as we’ve seen, I dunno that that necessarily means he’d have told it to Bae. I don’t think he’d have wanted to hurt him that way, because he was part of Milah. Hook treated a shawl she made with reverence, so it wouldn’t fit IMO if he deliberately hurt her flesh and blood. That doesn’t necessarily mean that Bae never found out, I just hope we don’t see Hook spitting it out bitterly, directly to the kid’s face.

I hope the major game-changer between Bae and Rumple’s relationship will actually be positive rather than negative. So far, the relationship is obviously strained, so maybe things will actually start to look up by the season finale. Perhaps Rumple will lose his powers as the dark one. All Bae ever wanted was his father. If his dad were to become a regular man, perhaps through true love’s kiss with Bell, then that would go along way to reestablishing a father-son relationship again.

Rumple without the Dark One curse would definitely be a “game changer”. I’m thinking it’s gotta happen at some point, the question is when.

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@Demileto wrote:

Cora stabs Rumple with the dagger and becomes the Dark One, but Snow uses the candle on Cora’s heart, saving Rumple and killing Cora.

I’d been thinking that Snow would save Charming, because it looks like he might get injured in the fight in the shop, but this scenario with her saving Rumple is a good one too.

I really think that whoever Snow kills, it’s gonna be with the candle, and she won’t be crushing a heart. I think the heart is just in the promo to throw everyone off, but it won’t end up being that significant. Promos lie like that all the time. 😛

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@Swanning-Off wrote:

But we see Snow in the Vault with a glowing heart.

That doesn’t necessarily mean that she kills someone by crushing that heart though. Promos are designed to trick us. 😉

I believe that Snow still has the candle, and will use it to save someone, (likely Charming), and kill Cora. Though I’ve been holding out hope that Regina would kill Cora, doing it this way instead would be perfectly poetic, because Cora tricked Snow into taking the object which was ultimately used to kill her. Cora wanted to turn Snow’s heart to coal. Karma can be a real *bleep*.

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Nothing happened on Cora’s property that Cora didn’t know about, of this I’m sure, because girlfriend is a control freak of the highest order. She totally knew all about Regina and Daniel the entire time they were together.

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I think at this point in time, Rumple’s had to admit that he’s gotta rely on others to protect him, given that he’s lying there dying from a poisoned chest wound and all, so it honestly wouldn’t surprise me if he told them the location of the real dagger. Frankly, it’s a pretty awesome hiding spot for it, better than in his shop. People can wander in and out of his shop any time, he doesn’t have a protection spell on the place 24/7. But no one ever even thinks of going up into the clock tower.

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@Jbwood5 wrote:

So is it possible that David is the one who dies since he clearly gets thrown like a rag doll and Snow uses the candle over Cora’s heart to bring him back and that’s why he is getting up when he says “what did you do?”

Yes, this is what I was gonna say! Charming’s “What did you do?” would fit in quite nicely with the convo he and Snow had at Johanna’s grave. Snow was determined not to lose anyone else. She also listed off all the times she made the “right decision” and it led to heartbreak. He kept imploring her to remain good. So I think that Charming will be mortally wounded in the battle in Gold’s shop, and Snow will be, “Screw the right decision to not use dark magic. I’ve still got that candle.” Then she’ll use it to save Charming and kill Cora, and he’ll stand up and see what happened and be all, “What did you do?”

And if that ain’t a lesson in karma for Cora, then I dunno what is. She tricked Snow into taking the item that was ultimately used to kill her. Though I’ve really been hoping it would be Regina who kills Cora, I think that having Snow do it this way would be perfect poetic justice for the old witch.

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@slurpeez108 wrote:

I think Cora was in love with King George. Maybe Eva was related to George, like his sister.

Love this idea! Eva was clearly royalty through several generations judging by the tiara talk, so that does rule out them having been sisters, which is a bummer, because I’d always liked that theory. But Eva being a sibling to George would fit in with one of my other fave theories, that Cora loved George, and had an affair with him. If Eva was friends with her sister-in-law, George’s wife, then of course she’d have disliked Cora in a situation like that. Perhaps Eva even knew that Regina was George’s child, a result of the affair, and that’s part of why Cora wanted her eliminated.

@ItachiIshtar wrote:

Hopefully we’ll get more information once or if the press release is ever posted, but IMBD lists that Eva Allen is playing Princess Eva, so unless this is incorrect, this might rule out Eva and Cora being sisters. You can't be a princess if your father is a miller.

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt2620930/fullcredits?ref_=tt_cl_sm#cast

Hmmm, interesting! So we're gonna get YoungEva in the same ep as YoungCora. At least the question posed in this thread will be answered soon then.

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Had to laugh when Hook made two other characters go down in this ep. I guess his relationship with the floor isn’t an exclusive one. 😉

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I’m gonna have to watch this one again before I can form coherent thoughts about it, but need some recovery time before a re-watch, because DAYUM.

Almost fell outta my chair when Blue turned into Cora. I was thinking, “Oh please let Blue be coming to secretly bring her buddy Eva back somehow,” and then BAM. Good to have it confirmed that Cora was indeed the one who killed Snow’s mother.

Oh, and one other thought for right now: Go Team NealfirePan!

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@RumplesGirl wrote:

Definitly a Neverland cliff hanger. Like “guys..where are we??” as Mermaids splash in the lagoon, and pirates and Indians battle each other. And Hook is just grinning like a fool and Bae says “home sweet home”

and then I die.

I’m dying at the mere thought of it! 😆

@RumplesGirl wrote:

Also: RC talked about a game changer for this episode!

Could Rumple lose his abilities as the Dark One?

That’s gotta be what his “undoing” is, but I wonder if it’ll happen before the finale?

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