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@Hellraiser-89 wrote:
That’s a nice theory about Bae going to Neverland before he came to our world! I didn’t think about that, but maybe the beans only lead to Neverland.
My original thought with this theory was that the bean can sense where you need to go and that’s where it sends you. That’s why I figured that if Rumple had gone through as planned, yeah it would have sent them to a land without magic, like Blue said it would, because the whole purpose of the journey was for Rumple to lose his magic. But when Bae went through alone, the needs of the traveller changed, so the bean instead decided to send him to the land where lost, orphaned boys go.
When we saw Hook use his bean, I found it curious that he was so sure of where it was taking them. It sorta seemed that he decided where he was going and told the bean to take him there, which suggests that anyone can tell a bean where to take them, as opposed to it having a singular, pre-programmed destination. I reckon that with Bae’s bean, Blue had told it that it was taking them to a land without magic. But I can imagine Bae’s thoughts as he fell down that hole on his own were along the lines of, “I don’t want to be alone,” essentially telling the bean to take him somewhere there’d be people he could relate to, leading him to the Lost Boys in Neverland.
I’m guessing that when the giants used the beans, they could specify where they went. “I wanna go and plunder…*throws dart at map of the magical realms*…Oz today, please and thank you.” And then to get back, they’d had to have instructed the bean to take them home.
So basically, that’s all a long winded way of saying that I think the beans could go absolutely anywhere the user desired to go, and could access any and all lands.
But remember Apple red as blood. Jefferson opened a portal to the past FTL to retrieve the apple. So that means portals can send you through time as well as universes.
So it’s possible Bae hasn’t appeared yet in our world, but will in the future. Or maybe he was sent far into the past, either way it opens up more possibilities.Yeah, there’s still the chance that everyone is way off with assuming that Bae should be Neal’s age. There have been some theories suggesting that Bae may have grown old and died already, and we may meet his son, or even grandson, as opposed to ever seeing an adult Bae. I dunno if they’d go that route though, because pretty much all the fans are dying to see an adult Bae, and would feel cheated if we don’t get him.
In my original theory I’d figured that Bae/Pan had one day decided to stay in our world, possibly out of fear of Hook. But now that we’ve seen that apparently other realms were affected by the curse, I think it may just be a simple case of him having been on a visit to our world at the time the curse struck, and an affect of it was that he could no longer get back to Neverland in his usual manner. That would mean that he and Emma and everyone else all got stuck in our world at the same time, and if that’s the point where he began ageing again, then that’d explain how he ended up being the age Neal is now.
@bec wrote:
Yes i noticed this too. At first i did think it could be Baelfires or Rumples- but then how would he get hold of that.
Because Hook stole it from Peter Pan. 😉 Seriously though, it could be anything, just because it looks tattered and child sized, that doesn’t necessarily mean it’s Bae’s cloak, (but part of me hopes it is).
@TheGoldenKey wrote:
Regarding the typewriter writing stories in real time. I do like that Phee, the only thing that has me questioning this is that prior to Emma arriving in SB, there was no magic in our world. We know exactly when she got her magic. The moment she stepped out of the car and set foot on the ground in SB. We saw the sparks fly and hydro boxes blown. So before this, where would the typewriter have gotten it’s magic? Where would it have come? It’s looks to be from around the 1940’s.
We don’t know where the typewriter originated from though. We do know that Regina had magical objects that came over with them that had retained their power. The typewriter could have been a similar object. Maybe it was in the possession of the fairies in FTL, and when it came to our world, Blue used it to write Henry’s book, and she also gave it to August for this task. Perhaps? Or even if the typewriter was from our world, there may have been some other magical item that Blue could have used to make it work, in a similar way to how Regina tossed the trinkets into the hat.
PS. I’d kill to have a Luck Dragon. Falkor rocks my world! 😀
@Faux Pax wrote:
I just remembered something. Remember how there was a deleted scene from I think it was either Hat Trick or The stranger with August and Jefferson and they never released it, even on the DVD. Put that together with the Cleaners & Hatters sign in Neal’s room and maybe you have some sort of information network? I’m just saying. I mean we are going on and on about how it might be the BF pulling the strings, but we keep frogetting that Jefferson remembered everything. Maybe he always knew more then it was letting on; i mean he did work closely with both Rumple and Regina.
I wanted to slap them for not having that deleted scene on the dvd! 😈 Though Jefferson remembered, I wonder if he was really in a position in SB to do anything with his knowledge? He wouldn’t have been aware of Pinocchio’s part in the story, so couldn’t have sought out August in our world, it’d have to have been the other way around. But how would August know that Jefferson was someone in SB with his memories intact? If they did have dealings, I’m still gonna guess that it was Blue who put them in contact with each other.
There’s gotta be some reason they had a dirty great big sign in Neal’s apartment that screamed, “HATTERS”. Perhaps the connection is simply that both he and Jefferson knew the truth, but didn’t necessarily know each other. But there’s always the possibility that there could be a deeper connection.
@KatherineLn wrote:
Neal is from our world. The typewriter was loaded with paper that had a recent dialog that involved Neal.
It makes no sense for August to ask Neal, “Do you believe in magic?” if at that time he knew Neal to be Bealfire or some other FTL character.
Neal was evasive with his answer though, “I take it you do.” I think that August was trying to suss out how easy Neal was gonna be to deal with, and Neal was trying to suss out who this guy was before he admitted whether or not he believed in magic.
I do like the idea that the typewriter perhaps had a recent dialogue involving Neal in it. Only glitch with that is that he could write it off as August having spied on him. However, if it was REALLY recent, like, describing how August had chased him down, and had that conversation that they’d just had moments before on it, THAT would be convincing, because there’s no way that August could have been typing it as it was actually happening. Maybe the last lines on the page were, “August walked over to his bike, and lifted the lid on the box, revealing a typewriter.”
This is kind of reminding me of The Neverending Story, (which I rewatched just last week, so it’s fresh in my mind), the part at the end where Bastian is reading the book and Childlike Empress is speaking to him through it…
Childlike Empress: He doesn’t realize that he’s already a part of the Neverending Story.
Atreyu: The Neverending Story, what’s that?
Childlike Empress: Just as he is sharing all your adventures, others are sharing his. They were with him when he hid from the boys in the bookstore.
Bastian: But that’s impossible!
Childlike Empress: They were with him when he took the book with the Auryn symbol on the cover, in which he’s reading his own story right now.
And then they essentially end up having a direct conversation when she’s begging him to call out the new name he’s chosen for her and he’s saying that he can’t, but ultimately does.
Childlike Empress: Bastian, why don’t you do what you dream, Bastian?
Bastian: But I can’t! I have to keep my feet on the ground!
Childlike Empress: Call my name! Bastian, please! Save us!
Bastian: All right, I’ll do it. I’ll save you. I will do what I dream!
The story was being written in real time, which could have been happening with August’s typewriter, which would have been pretty convincing for Neal, even if he was just some real world guy who had a passing belief and hope that magic was real.
Of course, that also could have convinced him that August had access to magical things, people and knowledge, even if Neal was someone from FTL himself, so it doesn’t necessarily prove which world he comes from, but I now have a new pet theory as to what’s going on in that box.
Edited to add that if that is what the typewriter was doing, perhaps that’s why August so readily opened the box for Emma, hoping that the same thing would happen for her? I know there wasn’t any paper in it when Emma saw it, but we also know she didn’t see his leg turning to wood, so perhaps you can only see what’s being written by the real time typewriter if you’re open to believing.
@slurpeez108 wrote:
Amazing resemblance and nice catch! I just hope the picture of Dylan and the ad in the convenience store are one and the same. These producers are very big on placing clues in each scene, so I wouldn’t be surprised!
There are a few pics from that shoot of Dylan’s online, (just do a google image search for him and they’ll pop up), but none have the shadows on the side of his nose and mouth like the pic in the ep. Granted, there may be other pics that aren’t online, but just going by what we do have to compare it to, I dunno if it’s him.
I was reading an interview yesterday, was one that Meghan tweeted the link for, and the way it was worded made me wonder if she’s even actually gonna wolf out. Lemme try and find it again…
http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/live-feed/once-a-time-meghan-ory-387964
“The curse was bad but in some ways it was great for Ruby because she didn’t have to deal with this other part of her that is now potentially coming back,” Ory explained of her character’s Jekyll and Hyde ways. “Figuring out how to deal with this and the possibility that this is a monthly thing in Storybrooke and what that’s going to mean for her and her friends, that’s definitely her biggest challenge.”
The words “potentially” and “possibility” make it sound like maybe she won’t change, like she’s fearing. I’d be bummed if that was the case though, because hard as it’d be to deal with, it’s still a part of her being that she’d have lost. I hope she can still wolf out, but can also still control it.
There’s the possibility that the whole pack of wolves who Red meets in this ep made it to SB, but from what we’ve seen of this ep, it sounds like she’s only concerned with herself changing, not a bunch of others, and if she knew there were likely to be others in town, she’d be frightened that they’d all change, not just her. So I’m wondering if maybe the pack was killed in FTL pre-curse. I could see that Quinn guy perhaps have being the lone survivor, and he could be in SB helping George frame Red for murder. There’s that one photo where Quinn’s going for Snow, so I’m not expecting him to be a cuddly puppy kinda wolf.
There’s one of the promos where Red’s in the cell and she’s getting up from having been sitting on the bed, and it looks like maybe she’s looking at someone she doesn’t like. Then there’s a shot of the door swinging open. I’m gonna guess that George and/or Quinn goes to see her, tranquilises her, and dumps her in the woods where Charming and Granny find her the next morning. Then George and/or Quinn kill Billy and plant clues around town that make it look like WolfRed did it, because if Sheriff Charming’s BFF is running around town eating people and he failed to stop her, that’s a way George can try to undermine Charming’s power and status in town.
@AngieBelle wrote:
Also, K&H did not have the rights to Peter Pan last year, and I imagine that they had already decided what happened to Bae at that point.
They’d have had Hook’s story decided from early on, I’d imagine. The guy who stole Rumple’s wife being Hook is kind of a big deal, so it wouldn’t have been a last minute decision they only came up with when they were planning season 2. It was pretty safe for them to assume that if the show was a big enough hit to get a second season, their bosses would be willing to fork over the cash to get the rights to the Peter Pan characters. So as long as they didn’t need to address Hook or Peter in season one, they could still safely have planned for the roles they’d play if the show had a future.
So they were able to set up the fact that Rumple’s wife left him, had him very unconvincingly say she was dead, and even threw in the suggestion that Rumple wasn’t Bae’s bio-dad. That all set up that Rumple had been in an unhappy marriage and his wife left him for another man. If the show hadn’t have gone beyond season one, that storyline still would have been sufficient as is, but they got season two and had the chance to expand the story and tell Hook’s role in it.
In a similar way, if they hadn’t have got a season two, they’d still already showed Bae apparently going to our world, which is where Rumple’s curse took everyone, so it was safe for fans to assume that one day they’d have been reunited, so that storyline had a resolution of sorts. But then they got a second season, so have the opportunity to expand that storyline and show that actually, Bae’s first stop wasn’t our world after all, it was Neverland.
