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@hjbau wrote:
It hurts a lot more when someone you know and care about does something to you then someone who doesn’t.
Indeed! There’s a whole other level of betrayal she’s gotta get over before she forgives David.
I liked that MM’s speech had a similar feel to the letter SW wrote to EQ.
@slurpeez108 wrote:
I think that Regina made up the entire story and lied to David.
Agreed. When Storybrooke was zapped into existence, David was zapped into that hospital bed.
Also, “cor” is Latin for “heart”, (kinda like how Cora’s daughter’s name “Regina” is Latin for “queen” 😉 ), and heart in Spanish is corazon. I’m totally on the Cora = QoH bandwagon.
August: You’re our only hope.
Emma: Then you’re all screwed.Seriously, I literally LOLd when she said that. 😆
@slurpeez108 wrote:
FairyCutie86August is a hot Pinocchio, though 😆 Does that make me weird?
Not any weirder than fans who obsess over Rumpelstiltiskin (don’t hate please, to each her/his own). I’m with you though. August is definitely attractive. As long as I remind myself he is adult Pinocchio, it’s all good.
Eion Bailey made an appearance in a dream I had last night. Don’t remember if he was himself, or August, but either way, gotta say, it wasn’t an entirely horrible dream. 😉 😆
@steliokontos1 wrote:
Sometime between abandoning Emma and his leg starting to turn into wood he much like the victims of the curse lost who he was, somewhere between 18-35 he didn’t do enough.
Maybe he had no way of finding her before now, so had given up trying? But when his leg started to give him trouble, he was drawn to the place they’d come through to our world, and in turn to nearby Storybrooke, where he found her, and everyone else. It was only then that he realised he could in fact still attempt to fullfill his promise and guide her into believing.
@belleoftheball wrote:
Although what Gepetto did was selfish for himself and Pinnoc, I can’t say that I blame him, all circumstances considered. All he ever wanted in his life was to have a boy, a real boy. And that was finally granted to him and almost instantly it was about to be taken back. If you could save someone you loved from dying, wouldn’t you? I know I would. It wasn’t the admirable thing to do, but his love for his son blinded him and he couldn’t bare to think he would be responsible for his son’s death.
Agreed. Any decent parent would go to ANY lengths to protect the life of their child, so I simply can’t write Geppetto off for doing just that. Also, we saw earlier in the ep how Pinocchio abandoned the raft, letting Geppetto take the life preserver to save himself. When Geppetto woke up, he was grateful to his son for having saved his life. In saving Pinocchio from the curse, he was returning the favour.
@belleoftheball wrote:
Did she actually ever see the keys in the book? I can’t remember, so many episodes now and I didn’t record them so I can’t look back.
I dunno that we’ve ever seen a pic of the keys in the book. Think the only time we saw a key in relation to FTL is was the keys they used to open the box with the snakes that killed Leopold, and that’s something WE saw, not Emma.
@slurpeez108 wrote:
Geppetto claimed that Jiminy’s debt to him could never be filled.
Which could prove very interesting if people in Storybrooke remember who they are. Marco and Archie are currently BFFs. Would that change?
Wonder how Geppetto found out? Maybe Jiminy just didn’t want it on his conscience, so he confessed?
@Midnight Dreary wrote:
Even though I WANT Emma to believe, I wouldn’t believe that BS at all if I were her. 😆
WORD 😆 Though part of me would WANT to, coz let’s face it, it’s kinda cool. LOL But Emma’s very logical, and we heard her say in this ep she doesn’t have time for faith. So looking at the Storybrooke happenings with her mentality, yeah, I don’t see why she’d be inclined to believe any of it.
@Surayya wrote:
He didnt come clean – he didnt tell Emma what he did – we saw a flash back yes, but he never said Im sorry I left you, we are all in this position because I didnt follow through with the promise I made & now you are paying for it – what can I do? How can I make you believe? All he’s done is get frustrated she’s not believing his story & a book full of pictures for crying out loud- how is that her fault.
I believe his anger and frustration isn’t completely aimed at Emma, he’s also angry with himself for not having done what he was supposed to. He hadn’t realised the full implications of not keeping his promise until now. But now the realisation that his stuff up has doomed everyone in Storybrooke, including himself, has hit him square in the face, and he’s desperate and angry at himself for failing more than anything. We saw this in the scene with Marco at the end, where August confessed he wasn’t the good man his father had hoped he’d become.
@Surayya wrote:
But sorry we just dont see August in the same light – Im a very just & logical person due to circumstance (wasnt your typical kid growing up as had to help raise all 3 of my younger siblings from the tender age of 6yrs old on- so have a very different view of right & wrong I guess from taking that responsibility on at a young age & is probably why I wont cut August any slack there- it’s not impossible & he was down right selfish then hasnt owned up or admitted to it- not out right anyway & that I cant stand )
That’s fair enough that your own personal experience will colour your view of the character. But don’t forget that Pinocchio had all this additional knowledge of FTL, the curse, and Emma’s destiny which now rested on his 7 year old shoulders, AS WELL AS having to figure out this whole new world and how to survive in it all on his own, without his father or friends, who for all he knew had died when the curse hit. It’s not like he could go to anyone and explain all those burdens he was carrying, he was completely alone. Frankly, all things considered, I think it says alot about the character that he turned out as well as he did. He’s not a junkie or a criminal, he found his way in the world, looked after himself, seems kind hearted (IMO), and is now trying to make up for his one big mistake.
@slurpeez108 wrote:
I think August is a very complex character who struggles with an inner desire to do the right thing.
Anytime you write something about August, I’m just gonna reply with, “what slurpeez said,” OK, coz you totally seem to be in my head regarding the character right now. 🙂
@mia wrote:
I wonder how he did grow up.
I’d love it if we got to see that story in a future season. I’ll bet he had a rough upbringing, just like Emma did.
@mia wrote:
It’s somehow sad, given how innocent and good willing he was as a 7-year-old. The way he tried to stop Emma from crying or repairing her craddle … He probably thought the adults could take care of Emma better than him. And seriously, you can’t expect to have such a young boy to truly understand the seriousness and importance of having Emma grow up and believe in FTL and her destiny.
It was a huge burden to put on the kid. I get why Geppetto sent him away, thinking it’d be for the best in the long run, but poor Pinocchio. After the August/Gold scenes in The Return where Mr Gold was asking for his son’s forgiveness, I took August’s angst to be partly because he wished his own father could say the same to him. Now that we’ve seen the situation Geppetto put him in, I believe that even more.
