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@obisgirl I just read some of your ummm . . . “adult” fanfic (excellent writing by the way!). I NEED some new CS “moments”!!!! There is only so long that I can replay their ONE kiss!! Ugh!! #SaveHenry, board the JR, sail back to SB , and let the “fun” begin!!
I have been working on something. It’s not posted yet.
But all my fics are on my a03.org profile in my signature.
I didn’t mean that you had to race to do something new!! You poor thing, sorry if it came across that way!
I’m dying to see some more physical affection between Emma and Killian on the show. I do love the sweet, talking together in private moments but then I just stare at the two of the them blinking and smiling at each other all day long!!
[adrotate group="5"]@obisgirl I just read some of your ummm . . . “adult” fanfic (excellent writing by the way!). I NEED some new CS “moments”!!!! There is only so long that I can replay their ONE kiss!! Ugh!! #SaveHenry, board the JR, sail back to SB , and let the “fun” begin!!
I really liked the David/Gold, Charming/Rumple bromance scenes – they were pretty comical. But I don’t know how they will go back to those now that they know they are both Henry’s grandpas.
Henry desperately needs another kid to hang out with. Anyone. It doesn’t have to be a fairy tale character, I’ll take a common villager or a peasant child. Just please, for the love of all that’s Holy someone please find that child a friend that doesn’t dance around fire to pipe music.
I love the Ariel/Belle friendship mainly because The Little Mermaid and Beauty and the Beast movies came out back to back when I was in high school so I always think of them together anyway.
I also thought it was fun to see Archie working with people in SB (Gold, Regina). I would like to see more of that. It could even help out the “triangle” situation a bit. If anyone watches Castle I liked the way they had Beckett talking to her psychologist during the season she was deciding when to tell Castle she loved him. It helped to lessen the frustration of “when are they EVER going to get together???” She was working through her fears and concerns so you knew how she felt and she was able to make little hints to Castle that weren’t just cryptic because you knew what she had talked about with her doctor. You knew what she was really thinking but there was still an element of the unknown because you didn’t know exactly what she was going to decide.
The thing I miss the most is that a lot of the interactions between the characters used to be comical at moments. I know that right now things are serious since Henry is in danger but I have been watching old episodes and I have forgotten how funny some of them were.
Hey guys, I wrote another interesting meta.
It’s a very human moment vs. it’s a very human reaction’
Basically, JMo describing Emma’s kiss with Killian vs. Emma’s reaction to seeing Neal alive.
I love this!
And I think this explains the kind of weird Snow behavior in NL. I don’t think Snow has been able to relate to Emma at all when it comes to relationships since the curse has broken because she is now back to her EF view of True Love, whereas before the curse was broken and MM and Emma would have relationship discussions they were BOTH kind of jaded by the real world and could relate to each other.
I do think Snow is starting to recognize this though – especially since Killian saved David and since she heard Killian’s secret.
The thing about Emma is that she is able to adapt really well. So even though she has lived in the real world she has adapted really well to dealing with all the fairy tale stuff. But that doesn’t change that at her core she is still someone who has been raised in the real world and automatically sees thing through real world glasses. I think that is one of the problems I have with saying that Emma should end up with Neal because that’s the fairy tale version of her happy ending. I think Emma can still get her happy ending without it looking like an EF version of a fairy tale like Snow expects that it should.
I think the happiest ending for Emma is finding someone who makes her happy and makes her feel loved and, like she told Snow when they were in her nursery in the EF – someone who puts her first. That means she needs someone who can relate to her losses and understands what her life has been like. Killian has told her and has proven to her that he can read her like a book. He recognized right away that she had trust issues and made a big deal about making “trust” important between them – including believing and respecting her “superpower” and understanding that he was going to have to earn her trust.
He understands that because of her past issues actions speak louder than words with Emma so he knows that he needs to show her the kind of man he can be for her. But he also knows that he does need to make it very clear that he intends to fight for and win her, since no one has really done that for her before. In the past everyone has told Emma that the way they showed their love and concern for her was to leave or abandon her!!! They have ALL said that they did it for her own good, even though they didn’t WANT to. It doesn’t help someone who has abandonment issues to hear that. The good part is that Emma is recognizing that he already has been fighting for her – everything he has done after returning to SB and taking them to NV has been for HER. I think it is difficult for her to comprehend it, just like it was difficult for her to understand having someone put her first when she and Snow where in her nursery in the EF. But because he is being consistent, I think she is starting to see it. And since they were obviously attracted to each other from the beginning, I think she is allowing herself to say that it is okay for herself to let her walls down with him – that he safe, that he is proving himself to her.
I think Emma is perfect for Killian because he also needs someone who understands the amount of loss he has had in his life and just like with Rumple – he needs someone who makes him realize that he wants to go back to being a better man. But more importantly, I think Killian needs Emma because he needs someone who is a mixture of the real world and the EF. Since “the pirate thing” makes Killian what I call “street smart” I think he needs someone who can be an equal with him in that regard so that “the pirate thing” really isn’t an issue. Emma is the only person who can relate to both “sides” of Killian in a non-judgemental way.
Unfortunately, I don’t think Neal has any idea what he really wants right now. And I don’t think this is his fault. He has also suffered tremendous loss throughout his life and dealt with enormous emotional and psychological issues in NL and with his father – and now he is having to face them all over again. He just discovered he has a son, he was just found by his father, he just found out his fiancé was a murderous psychopath who tried to kill him, he just found out his ex was hoping he was dead, he HATES magic and he just found out his first love and baby momma is the daughter of Snow White and Prince Charming and uses magic herself. At least Emma has had some more time to deal with some of the more shocking aspects of her life. I’m concerned that Neal is not in a place where he can make a decision about what he really wants which means that Emma is likely to get burned by him again.
As far as Moe and Belle, I recognize that it’s a TV show so they don’t have an unlimited amount of time to use on each and every character and plot line, however I did find it bizarre that Moe said he was all concerned about finding his daughter but when he does find her he spends no time at all rejoicing over finding her or talking to her, all he wants to do is make sure she stays away from Rumple. And when he can’t control her the way he wants to his solution is to have her loose all of her memories – even her memories of him??? Doesn’t really seem like he was actually wanting to find his daughter with the intent of being reunited so he could have a relationship with her. Sounds more like he wanted to find her because he had already figured out that she had fallen in love with Rumple and wanted to get revenge by taking her away from him.
So at the end of the day, I don’t know that it is possible for Belle and her father to have a relationship. Belle has made it clear to father on at least two occasions that we have seen (when she chose to go with Rumple to save her village and when she chose to stay with him in SB) that she doesn’t like having people make decisions for her and she is also very big on unconditional love. I don’t think she would be interested in a relationship with her father until he can accept that she has chosen to be with Rumple. I can, however, see her trying to arrange some kind of meeting between Rumple and her father to work out their problems with one another and to let them know that she would like it if they could find a way to get along for HER. I think Rumple has come far enough that he would apologize and do what it would take to try to get along with Moe because Belle is so important to him. I don’t know if Moe is the kind of man who could do the same. But Belle is independent enough and confident in who she is that she would recognize she gave him a chance, would love Rumple all the more for trying, and would move right along with her life with Rumple if her father couldn’t try for her.
@MysteryKat I always like to post after you because I feel like I don’t have to actually write anything – I can just point and smile at your post.
Totally agree with what you said.
@PriceOfMagic – *waving hello* I’m the “older” shipper in the group. I think that a lot of it comes down to what MysteryKat mentioned, everyone has their personal preference in terms of what they find attractive in a mate and what they find off-putting so it’s difficult to try to explain why the CS shippers see one thing when the SF shippers see something else.Personally, I see only confidence in Killian when he told Emma that he would win her heart. I happen to find overtly confident men extremely attractive – but there is a huge difference between a man who is extremely confident and a guy who is enamored with himself the way Gaston is. And I think a lot of women often think that extremely confident men do not treat women well when I find that to be exactly the opposite case. Men who are exceedingly confident typically treat women like queens because they don’t have any reason to feel threatened by them. Men who are truly confident don’t need to hide behind any kind of mask so they can be very direct, honest, and open with people – which is exactly what Killian was doing when he told Emma that she needs to make a choice. Honestly confident men don’t need to drag a woman down to make themselves feel better – they know who they are on their own. But that doesn’t mean that they aren’t vulnerable and that they don’t have a need for someone in their life who can help them be a better person.
This is where I think Emma and Killian are a good match. I think Emma is a very strong and confident woman but I think she has pockets of herself and her life that she doesn’t know how to navigate very well because of her past. And I think when things get uncomfortable for Emma she tends to shut down instead of facing things unless she is forced to face them. In order to learn to navigate those areas of her life and face uncomfortable situations head on I think she needs someone who is equally as strong and confident as she is who can call her out when she starts to shut down. This takes someone who isn’t afraid to get in her face (literally – Killian literally walks right into her personal space) because he knows that she understands that she is safe with him and that she can trust him. It takes someone who has absolute belief in her abilities so she can be built up when she starts to doubt herself.
Emma has had all of these people in her life who were supposed to protect her who haven’t done their job. Her parents – the people you count on take care of your basic needs sent her away and orphaned her (as well intentioned as they may have been), August left her alone in the orphanage to go off on his own adventure instead of watching over her and making sure she stayed on the right path, Neal abandoned her and left her by herself when she was a pregnant teenager (even though he didn’t know he was doing it). Emma still doesn’t believe she can count on anyone. She needs someone to be intentional and direct in proving to her that she can count on him. That means he has to actually DO things to show her she can count on him – proving that he never lies to her, returning to Storybrook, finding a cure for her father, telling the truth about Neal, ALWAYS allowing her to be the one to have a choice since she has rarely been allowed to have choices, and being confident in showing her that he means it when he says he is fighting for her.
I think any of the ridiculous behavior on BOTH Killian and Neal’s parts was actually put in the episode to prove that there was a reason that Killian was telling Emma that she DOES need to hear that she needs to make a choice – even if the time to make the choice is not right now. Which is why he made the comment about the fact that they weren’t fighting over a lighter. He was saying that until she makes a choice dumb behavior like that will continue to happen because they are two guys fighter over the same girl – she is the only one who has the ability to stop it. This is EXACTLY one of those scenarios that Killian knows Emma does not EVER like to deal with so he is calling her out on it. But he is also trying to help her out. Her knows her well and knows that sometimes all the worry you put into making a decision is worse than actually making the decision itself. So he reminds her that real fun begins after she saves Henry and makes her choice – because he IS confident that HE is the best choice for her.
Again, it’s so hard to “see” things through another ship. My hubby is an extremely confident guy who I was initially attracted to because of his confidence but then I fell in love with him because of the confidence he had in me. That is exactly what is see in CS so I am completely baffled when people say that a guy like Killian is a horrible example for ABC to be showing Emma with because young girls will think that is the kind of guy they should go after and it’s a horrible message to send. My husband treats me like a queen and is not cocky or Gaston-like at all.
But he did tell me he was going to marry me on our first date. Of course we had already known each other for 5 years. But, oddly enough, when he told me that – I believed him. Ends up he was right!!
So I have a weird “I wonder . . .” theory that keeps coming back to me ever since we found out that Wendy was coming back at the same age we last saw her. Especially now that I feel like the “triangle” doesn’t really seem all that much like a triangle.
I know that Bae has said that he considered his “real” family to be the Darlings but it seemed like there was a bit of a spark between Bae and Wendy before he sacrificed himself to NL. I think I was always hoping that he and Wendy would somehow find each other again but given the age difference between the characters it just seems creepy now (although it must just be due to how young Freya looks because Robert is much younger than Emelie and I don’t find that creepy at all).
With PP there is a theme of never wanting to grow up and with some of the theories going around about how PP might be related to Rumple and what Rumple’s childhood backstory might be there are also some questions about potentially messing around with the aging process. And when Rumple first found Neal he told him that he had a way that he could make him 14 again so they could go back and share all the time together that they missed. Neal was, of course, angered that Rumple would even suggest this. But I wonder, would he feel the same way if he was given the option of going back and getting a “do over” with someone he doesn’t have negative issues with?
If he realizes that he and Emma really don’t have anything in common except Henry, that he doesn’t really know who Emma is now and doesn’t like her use of magic, that she isn’t going to pick him anyway, – even if he is able to reconcile with both Rumple and Killian his history with both of them is in the past because they were really father figures to him and a boy eventually grows up and leaves his father. But what if he decides that he never got a chance with Wendy and that she “could have been” his future. Would he rethink going back to being a teenager again so that he could have a future with Wendy?
I just keep thinking that many of us say that we LOVE Bae but just can’t seem to bond with Neal as much as we want to. And I have always felt like Neal just doesn’t seem to fit in with everyone else but Bae did. And it would be difficult to say that choosing to go back to being a teenager would be abandoning Henry because everyone’s age is all messed up on the show. Technically Neal is hundreds of years old so having an 11 year doesn’t make sense. And Emma’s parents are already her own age so there is already a precedent set for that. And I think it might already be consistent with what has happened in previous generations of his family.
And choosing to go back to being a teenager would give Rumple and Killian a chance to make up for the mistakes they made, and it would give Neal a second chance to heal from the wounds of his childhood.
I know this is kind if out there but it is something that keeps sneaking back up on me – especially when Wendy made the comment about Neal only being a little older than Henry when she knew him. And I just keep thinking about how . . . awkward the reunion between Bae and Wendy is going to be. It was one thing to have Tink drooling all over Bae all grown up since she is older but it will be just wrong to have Neal making eyes at a 14 year old!!!!
This also makes for an interesting turn of events for the “triangle.” And since I keep saying I haven’t seen a lot of growth in Neal yet it would make more sense to me for him to go back to being 14 again and give it a go with Wendy.
On a positive note, being left out of the episode synopsis assures that they won’t spell Neal’s name wrong, yet again.
