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When Rumple tried to kill Hyde it should have killed him and Jekyll also?
I think it’s less about you can harm one and it harms the other and more about you have to harm the whole person. When we first learned that Hyde could not be harmed or killed, I thought it was because he was a split and that in order to do deadly harm, you have to kill the whole person. If Regina were whole and non-split you couldn’t set out to just harm the Evil Queen. You have to harm Regina which means by extension harming the EQ (along with every other part of what makes Regina, Regina).
If I were a writer on this show, my solution isn’t “death by original” it’s that you have to reintegrate the two before any type of harm could befall you. The real solution to Jekyll and Hyde, and likewise to Regina and the Evil Queen, is not that one is more real and thus capable of destruction; it’s integration. For Regina, it’s about temperament and finding the courage within yourself to be all your aspects, not just one over the other, something she has been doing for quite a long time and the thing she struggled with the most in the S5B finale.
[adrotate group="5"]"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"The doppelganger is not the actual person but just a part of the person. I kind of see it like a whole in the heart that has manifested itself into a person. A small part of the soul. If you try and kill that part of the soul the actual person won’t die but if you kill the person that part of the soul would die with it?
Oooh I disagree. You cannot kill part of yourself– but the real issue is the idea that one half of you is more “real” than the other.
The issue comes with the notion that because Jekyll is the original, he is more real than his inner “beast.” This rings as wholly antithetical to what the show has been setting up if not just this season than all series long. You cannot escape who you are. You are both proper and not; you are strong and weak; you are potent and impotent. Jekyll isn’t the original anything; he’s the face presented to the world because his world and its views dictate that a man must be a certain thing; you cannot be both, even though we have ample evidence that men in his world are, hence the little tangent about Dr. Lydgate and the pretty pretty assistant. Men (and women!) are both, neither is original, neither is more real and neither has claim to being over the other. So when, in Storybrooke, Jekyll is impaled and Hyde also dies as a result, it’s hard not to feel like the show is missing its own themes in favor of drumming up some manufactured drama and tension for the much beloved Mayor Regina Mills. In order to kill the Evil Queen, Regina must die! But, like with Jekyll and Hyde, that fails to take into consideration the fact that Regina is the Evil Queen, will always be the Evil Queen, and she–the person she is now–does not have primacy on identity. This is doubly true when you consider that Regina we know now isn’t even really “original Regina” who was a stable princess, scared of her mother, a passive agent under a tyrant who simply wanted to be free. The Regina we see now, the one claiming she has to die, has been through a life time’s worth of heartache, drama, and conflict–most of which happened as her tenure as the Evil Queen!
Sticking with Regina, she’s a multi-facited, multi-personality person. She is a mother and a queen and a step mother and a witch and a mayor and a daughter and a sister. Regina is all of these things and neither of them take the lead over the other. For example: if Henry were in danger and Regina had to use magic to save him, is that her mother side or her witch side? Or is she both while being all the other aspects in my list.
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"That confrontation on the dock tonight was the first time they’ve seemed like enemies rather than tragic lovers.
This is how I feel too. This was the first time when it felt like they straight up didn’t like each other. I don’t doubt that they love each other; but the best relationships aren’t just about love, they are also about liking one another.
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"The announcer must be so happy that after this week he gets to stop acting like Jasmine and Aladdin coming to OUAT is the best thing since sliced bread, the invention of the wheel AND fire, and Ben Franklin thinking a kite during a lightening storm was a swell idea.
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"I’ll just repeat what I said in another thread:
Really dislike the idea that in order to kill the doppelganger you have to kill the original. They are the same person! They are two sides of the same coin; one isn’t more powerful or more “real” than the other. It’s about integration and learning to temper both sides of yourself. So Hyde is, ipso facto, which also means that the Evil Queen is less “real” than Regina but…that’s a really silly way to go. They are one and the same. Regina is the Evil Queen, always. It’s about learning to keep the darkness at bay and listening to your “higher angels.”
This feels like such a manufactured end to the Jekyll and Hyde story and only the resolution in order to create tension over whether or not Regina would die. Hint: she won’t.
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"GENERAL: I am really really torn this week. There were some less than ideal epiphanies and themes but on the other hand some of the smaller moment of this week–like Snow teaching–were really great and I wish we could ease up off the plot and focus on that kind of storytelling. I also think the show managed to mine quite a bit of food for thought even in some murky waters which I’ll always applaud. We also had a lot of strong performances from Hyde, Rumple, Jekyll, and the Evil Queen.
Rating…gosh. I don’t know. Maybe…a 7.5/10
LIKED
–The cute family breakfast scene. Look! Normal things!
–“All magic needs is a little science”
–Rumple still knows how to recognize a desperate soul. Jekyll being rejected by his community but so desperately wanting to prove himself to others…sound familiar?
–We’ve had several balls this season; all the gowns and rooms have been well done!
–“Alright sister! Let’s dance” *Proceeds to fall straight down with a wave of the EQ’s hand.*
–Hyde and the EQ are a bizarre totally loony team up. Like Hades and Zelena last year, they are so over the top and crazy that you have to smile when you see them.
–Bobby as DarkOne!Rumple is still entertaining, 6 years later. You can tell it’s the role he prefers by about a mile.
–Snow teaching! It’s not Mary Margaret teaching; it’s actually Snow teaching.
MIXED
–Emma, we know you’re the Savior. You don’t have to say it every single scene even if this entire season is about Savior mythology.
–Rumple names Hyde “Hyde” because he was all the parts that Jekyll had to…hide. Oof.
–I have a ton of issues with Mary’s backstory and what the show demonstrated tonight. The basic sum is that Mary wanted a man who would show her passion and desire and overthrow societies conventions. For these thoughts and her acting upon them, Mary died. She was, essentially, punished for her sexual feelings. I guess you can argue that Jekyll (and Hyde) were punished in the long run, but not for expressing their sexual feelings–Hyde is basically a walking talking id–but for keeping Jekyll repressing them. There were a lot of sexual overtones this episode with a binary that men should be virile and women passive. Jekyll is the real villain because he’s weak and, basically, impotent. After the past two weeks in America, this sort of backwards old school gender dynamics really rubbed me the wrong way.
DISLIKED
–Really????! Rumple basically locked Belle in a CAGE and then said “you’ll thank me someday.” I cannot with how this show has turned one of their best, most loved couples into something egregiously damaged and abusive.
–And LATER! “You may not think you need me, but you do! You will come back to me..even for necessity” DONE. 100% DONE with this ship. Basically…you don’t know your own head and heart and you need me because of that. I know what you need better than you do. You shape up and hop to, little miss. You’re my wife and it’s time you behaved like one. I can’t believe the writers have done such a through job of destroying Rumbelle.
–‘Shirin’s” story about the princess who didn’t embrace herself and lost her kingdom…heavy handed way to tell “Shirin’s” story without revealing who she is. As if we all don’t know. Shock everyone! The princess in the story was Shirin!
–I really don’t like Emma’s brown coat. Why the change? Usually her jackets are symbolic of something. Is it because she’s doubting her own saviorhood? Probably, but it’s still an ugly coat.
–Really dislike the idea that in order to kill the doppelganger you have to kill the original. They are the same person! They are two sides of the same coin; one isn’t more powerful or more “real” than the other. It’s about integration and learning to temper both sides of yourself. So Hyde is, ipso facto, which also means that the Evil Queen is less “real” than Regina but…that’s a really silly way to go. They are one and the same. Regina is the Evil Queen, always. It’s about learning to keep the darkness at bay and listening to your “higher angels.”
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"If Jekyll and Hyde do get killed off in this episode, that would honestly be in line with the ending of the novella and film adaptations. It’s not a story that is known for having a happy ending.
Yup. I also think their death will serve to rattle Regina; she can’t break away from nor kill her evil side.
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"I wish they would have just used the LoUS to explain what happened to Thomas. And, somehow, he escaped, just in time for the Curse to hit…
Agreed–it would have been nice to have an answer to a question we’ve had since S1 and with the plot of LoUS it’s a nice if convenient fit.
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"I think the only way to can kill off a “side” is if you merge and then kill the whole person–isn’t that sort of the point of the season; you can’t erase your bad side you have to embrace it and then control it.
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"^ And it was absolutely wondrous!! Does anyone have a youtube clip, or audio clip of that scene?!? SFG
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"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"
