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That’s a *fantastic* point Nonnie, well thought out!
I won’t lie: I’m coming around to the idea of Hookriel, especially as in my headcanon Hook is a lost Prince unaware of his identity.
[adrotate group="5"]"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"Won’t be if Belle winds up in the same position as Ruby next season, though. Adam’s tweets suggest that won’t happen, but they did put her in a precarious position by leaving her off that ship. It’s either going to be epic (adventures with Bae!) or…let’s not think about it. I’ll need cookies and hugs 🙁
I’m telling ya, adventures with Bae trying to reunite with the CharmingStiltskins! They didn’t destroy the plant in Regina’s office for nothing! (not to mention the Hat in Emma’s car…) But I digress.
With this show, there are so many great characters that we all have our favorites and we want to see them, that’s what makes a show like Once or LOST the way it is. But H and K have to play to every field. It’s a hard job, trying to tell the story you want to tell while keeping your audience in mind, an audience who can’t agree on anything! Some of us love Belle, some of us ship CS, some of us love Regina, some of us want more flashbacks, some of us want less Rumple. How do you appeal to all those?? H and K took a lot of toys out of the box this year and they have said now in a few places that next year it’s going to be much simpler and much more concise. I want them to tell me the story they want to tell. They are going to give something extraordinary to everyone.
I guess my question is: for those who though the season was bad: what were you hoping to see? Because I can guarantee that what you were hoping to see, someone else SAW. TV is subjective. No emotional development? I saw tons of it in Emma, Rumple, Belle, Ruby (in her episode, embracing her wolf side), Hook, and yes, Regina. Inconsistent plot? Not in my eyes. The entire plot of this season was “what happens when you bring magic to SB?” I think they answered that: bad things. Both from your previous land and from the outside. And I LOVED the twist at the end of this season. So that’s my overall point, TV is seen through an individual lens. And it’s perfectly fine to say that you didn’t see any of the stuff I just mentioned, but please remember that I–and others–saw it differently.
The only issue (only REAL issue) I have is Plot Device Blue Fairy being Plot Device-y because I think H and K are better than that. But I even think they know, given Rumple’s snarky comment in ASOTM. So, I look forward to what they do next with her.
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"@batclaw wrote:
What if Peter Pan is Rumple,s Father 😯
Hmm. Well there was a scene in Manhattan where a young Rumple watches his father sneak off into the middle of the night, but I believe is also killed. It was cut for time but H and K discussed it in their official podcast for that episode. Someone help me out…they did say that his father died right?
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"None of the good guys had a character arc.
Disagree. Let’s take Emma as an example. She started this season not wanting to really be a family with Snow and Charming. She was too freaked out about it. She was also really freaked out about using her magic, acknowledging that she is a magical being. In 2×03 she cracked a little bit and let Snow know that she’s never had someone putting her first and it was scary for her. By the end of this season she willingly used her magic to save the town, knowing that she could do it. And she called Snow and Charming mom and dad, something Emma never would have done.
They overdid it with Regina. They made her a complete psycho, even using magic on Henry, and then the family is still hanging out with her.
Maybe in the real world but this show exists in a magically constructed universe where hope and redemption are REAL and we have to exist in that universe. This show is all about hope and redemption and Regina and Rumple were always going to make mistakes and stumble along their way, and they should: they have a lot to pay for. But in this show, family is the most important thing. It’s at the center of the entire show and when you have mythical characters that are larger than life they are capable of doing extraordinary things that we cannot: like forgivenss for crimes that we deem unforgivable. That’s a fairy tale.
The show just doesn’t make sense anymore.
Forgive me, but I don’t understand this. I know there are holes but I trust H and K to explain them, and if they don’t I can talk with my fellow Oncers and come up with a satisfying solution.
I look forward to what happens next. I think S3 is going to be exciting and emotionally driven and have huge developments for our characters, every last one of them.
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"It hasn’t, in my opinion. There were low episodes like S,B and T but I think True North was worse from S1, in my opinion. And episodes like Manhattan and The Miller’s Daughter and the final two were fantastic. Simple phenomenal.
I think there has been great in terms of answers, building the mystery, acting, great Big Bads and emotional development from Emma and Rumple and Regina, especially.If anything it was highly ambitious and maybe at times uneven, but I don’t think you can say that from here on out the show will be terrible. H and K learn as they go. I love this show. I want this show to be around forever. And I personally loved the season.
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"@DarkOne’s#1fan wrote:
What I meant by the 300 year old thing is that Pan is probably at least officially around Rumple’s and Hook age but he looks like he’s a person more in his I don’t know 30’s 40’s maybe 20’s if the magic is wearing off very slowly.
I see. I do agree with that. I think PP is very old, but perpetually youthful because of the boys shadows and Henry’s shadows is like the ultimate sacrifice, keeping PP young forever without having to take more shadows.
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"Not that crazy! I’m not sure about the 300 yr old thing, but I do think PP’s desire for Henry has something to do with the idea of PP staying forever young.
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"That’s a good point. But child actors are tricky, for a major player like Pan you want a really strong actor and it might be better to get someone older. And like we mentioned, if Wendy and Pan have some sort of relationship, good or bad, they need to be similar in ages.
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"Agreed. My best guess as to how Wendy comes back into play is that Peter will clash at some point with Bae (AKA my belief that Bae’s life in Neverland will resemble a lot the story of the book The Lord of the Flies) , and he’ll bring Wendy to NL again to use her against him. How long until Peter takes that decision could account for a bit of aging for her character.
I think you’re right. A and E have hinted that we will see Wendy again and knocking out time travel, she could only still be around if 1) she had some sort of spell/potion/curse that kept her young or 2) she was in NL. It makes much more sense for her to be in NL. And I also agree that if she’s in NL, it has to be a few years after Bae was taken by the Lost Ones. Casting a 19 year old was strange given how careful A and E are about such things.
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"@KFChimera wrote:
Pan as Hook’s father could definitely be a rather weird spin on things–like if Pan had the clock turned back to make him a boy (something Rumpel had wanted to do to Bae) but he still retained his adult mind. Pan seems rather well organized for a real child (that is, if he is indeed calling the shots for the HO, as opposed to a false conclusion we all reached). It still could be that the HO considered Pan more dangerous, and knowing he was after Henry, needed to grab Henry and take him to NL for some reason yet to be revealed. They love their fake outs. Or Pan is a disembodied former “original power” that is nothing but a shadow (but not THE shadow we saw) and searching for a host body. I’m wondering what the casting news will reveal. Will it be a young actor or old actor–they aren’t pulling a gender twist so that’s really all we have now.
It would be odd but I have to wonder if it would be too weird. We already have creepy Lost Boys, a creepy Shadow, and Peter Pan as a potentially menacing figure. Add the element of Pan fathering Hook and I think it’s going a bit too crazy with changing the tale. I’d much rather have Hook with his own separate family and a reasonable explanation for why he’s in NL.
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"
