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[adrotate group="5"]"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"
The only problem is that it would be asking a lot of RC to be in that makeup every episode since it takes about 2 hours to do and it’s a very early wake up call.
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"Ok TimeSpacer: I’m going to sit and read your post and make comments as I go. If it’s jumbled it’s because I’m just letting my thoughts flow. Here we go:
In fact, we know from Einstein’s Theory of Relativity that
there is no such thing as absolute time; time is a local phenomenon
and different observers, moving relative to one another or experiencing different gravitational fields as myril pointed out, may measure
very different time intervals. Even if they once shared the same time and
place, two moving observers may later measure different time intervals and not even agree on whether a particular event lies in the past or in the future. Most of us tend to ignore this property of time because the effect is very small unless the relative velocities are very large, but it can be significant in many cases, such as calculating one’s location from GPS signals (If you have a GPS in your car or your cell phone, you are doing General Relativity calculations – impress your friends with that!)True. But I believe it was Myril who pointed out (I can’t remember which thread. Myril if you read this, chime in and let me know what you were saying) that our answer to the time question isn’t going to be solved via science. Science and magic are tricky. People generally assume they are opposites but the are not. Truth be told I tend to follow Arthur C. Clarke’s law that
Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic
and that science and magic are actually very similar. People may believe that science evolved from magic, following Frazer (see: The Golden Bough) but the two are not mutually exclusive. With that said there is the question of genre. While I think drawing a hard line between sci fi and fantasy is a futile exercise (especially in today’s TV/literature examples) I think it may apply here. Thus far everything about NL (that we’ve seen) has been magical, such as the Shadow and ripping shadows from boys. I think magic will explain any time issues, not science. I think that outside of NL, THO is well funded and uses science because in our world it’s the only thing they can use.
Since Neverland and our world do not share a common time, that doesn’t mean the picture arrived in Neverland one year ago – “one year ago” here doesn’t say anything about the time in Neverland. We don’t know how long that picture had been in Neverland before Bae arrived but we definitely know it was there before he was and before Hook arrived since Peter Pan had been searching for Henry for some time. It’s true young Bae had not yet fathered Henry when he arrived in Neverland but one can’t say the picture arrived in Neverland “before” Henry was born because Henry was not born in Neverland – his birth is an event that took place in our world so it has no direct link to time in Neverland. Henry’s birth lies in Bae’s future but it lies in Neverland’s past. What makes this confusing is Bae’s ability to move from one world’s time (the
Enchanted Forest) to another world’s time (Neverland) but we know from
Rumples statement in “The Return” that travelling between worlds means crossing “the barriers of time and space.”I see what you’re saying (I think đ ) but I also think that this needs to be brought up: it’s a TV show and the explanation for Henry’s pic needs to be simple enough for the causal Sunday viewer (in other words: NOT US) to understand. I think it’s far more likely given the importance of prophecy already that Peter has the gift of sight. The casual member of the audience can understand that–in so much as they understand prophecy to be seeing into the future (never mind what it really means). Think LOST. The second they started time traveling and being in the past but not remembering being in the past because whatever happened happened and was happening to them currently, the viewing went down because it was unfamiliar territory for some and it got really confusing. I think H and K learned from that. Even though you’re not suggesting time travel, I think we might want to employ Occam’s Razor here: among competing hypotheses, the hypothesis with the fewest assumptions should be selected. Also there are some preconceived notions going into NL: that time doesn’t move. At least..biological time. It might be safer to stick with something familiar given that they are about to turn the story of PP on its head.
EDIT (a word about audience smartness)
I’m not trying to say that the casual viewer isn’t smart or can’t hold really complicated myths in their head along with equally complicated constructs, but then I look at season 2. H and K have always acknowledged that they have a really smart audience but then came the taser and they caught so much crap for it. They said once they assumed that because their audience was so smart they would know it wasn’t a normal taser. And the audience didn’t. And it was, for H and K, their biggest regret of S2.
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"Interesting idea for Grace’s mother – so many possibilities since Jefferson is a realm jumper and all but he clearly had some bad history with Wonderland so I’m inclined to link it to that story.
I really want Grace’s mother to be from WL. Ever since Hat Trick I had thought that it would be Alice and I loved that idea. But clearly, we’re going in a different direction. If the White Queen chose her kingdom and fighting the Red Queen instead of her family, Jefferson may have lied to Grace about her mother being dead.
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"Or do you mean in the new show? Sorry, should have checked which forum this was posted to.
It’s like in ONCE. Snow is aware that her story in known, but she also knows that it’s not what really happened.
This is Alice in Once. There is no other Alice. She is the one from the story, but we got her story wrong when it came through to our world somehow.
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"Charming was aware. Or at least David Nolan had memories of it.
Henry: Itâs the Mad Hatterâs hat. Itâs a portal between worlds.
David: The Mad MatterâŚ
Henry: Youâve heard of him?
David: No. I-I mean, yeah. I mean, the prince me doesnât know him, but David had memories of reading Alice in Wonderland in school. I need to get it to work again. Who is he? I-I mean, who is he here?
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"1) I adore the white rabbit – he’s just so darn cute and he can open portals! (side note: glad they changed the voice, I was NOT happy when I heard that PeeWee Herman was doing it – now I can adore the little guy!)
Agreed. That bunny is adorable. I want a little stuffed version of him. Also agree about PeeWee Herman. Not the right actor for this…or any role.
3) Finally a genie I can like! – loved Cyrus’ speech about love, it was absolute perfection
Also quite handsome.
5) Alice seems all kinds of awesome (ok so the love with Cyrus – potential triangle they’ll probably try to set up with the other guy but I hope not, kinda rules out the Alice – Hatter thing for OUAT someday *sniff* BUT I still kinda love it and have a feeling I’m gonna love Alice/Cyrus – do they have a name yet? lol)
Make me wonder who Grace’s mother really is. Perhaps the White Queen.
6) Alice wants proof to show her dad she’s not imagining things and she is carrying a little rabbit in her bag? (How cute was the rabbit??)
Seriously ABC. Gimme a stuffed version of that bunny to buy!
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"@Demileto wrote:
@RumplesGirl wrote:
Thank you for that! It’s been bothering me a lot. So..no Cora at all then. Because she would have been in FTL by that point. Interesting.
Not in present day Wonderland, at least. Flashbacks are another thing entirely.
Oh of course. I forgot about flashbacks.
@Clessidor wrote:
Well, they also said that there will be Wonderland flashbacks. So they can show Cora, if they want to. And based what they also said it seemed like they really want to tell us much more about her.
âI still feel there are more Cora stories to be told, both young and old,â Kitsis says. âI donât think thatâs the last time Rumple saw young Cora, and I definitely think there are some other adventures to be had. Even though sheâs dead, sheâs very much alive in our hearts.â
I just didn’t copy everything in the in the interview because of copyright.
Oh I know there is more to see of Cora in OUAT and I’d bet you’d a few cookies young Cora with a young Regina will make an appearance in S3. They have more ground to cover.
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"@RumbelleDearie wrote:
I’m just thinking how funny it’ll be if Gold turns back into Rumple once they’re in NL. They go through the portal and then look over and there he is in all his Rumple-ness haha.
I’d love to see Emma’s reaction. And her interacting with Rumple.I wonder if he does change back, will he act like he used to? All impish? Or will he still act like Gold?
I’m picturing this conversation now.
*JR enters NL and Emma sees Rumple as FTL Rumple*
Emma: “You’re green. Why are you green? Does anyone else notice that he’s green? IS ANYONE ELSE NOT BOTHERED BY THE FACT THAT HE’S GREEN?!”"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"
