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Here’s a thought. The Grail was setting very nicely on a stone. What if it is the stone, and not the actual cup, that decides if a person is worthy to drink and receive the gifts? The grail could sit there, undisturbed for all eternity* until someone worthy came along, because no one who is not worthy can touch it to lift it away! Has Excalibur, which is the Grail, been put back into the same stone for safekeeping? Consider this: when the sword is in the stone, only the worthy can pull it out, with the same consequences to an unworthy attempt as Merlin’s friend encountered. But once the sword is removed, anyone can touch it without dying! For that matter, Merlin’s friend was turned to dust just for touching the grail (albeit with the intention of drinking). But after Merlin removed it from its stone pedestal, it seemed like anyone could touch it. So I think the stone was the guard/test. Once Merlin came along, he was trusted with all the power, including the grail itself, to protect and guard as he saw fit. SFG ( *Or until there is a storm.
)I’ll go with that.
[adrotate group="5"]"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"We’re both thinking deeper about this than the writers clearly are. *head explodes*
We are literally going to leave it there cause we agree and that’s clearly what it boils down to. 🙂
@Keb, godspeed to you on this one. I agree that there’s a typo on screen for 200 (be nice if Adam would admit it), but after that I’m going to have a hard time turning off my brain/educational background/ training in order to agree with anything you come up with for this one. So. Godspeed."He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"I got the message that it was humility that made Merlin worthy…and Nimue was once humble. Even her desire for revenge was not fully cemented until after she drank from the cup, I think–I think she was hurt and afraid in that moment, but not wanting to cause pain yet.
She’s drinking from the cup to have everlasting life even though the entire point of that sojourn was to cut away Merlin’s immortality. That’s not exactly an exercise in humility
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"I think “Birth” is most likely referring to the birth of Emma’s Dark Swan persona, not the birth of Zelena’s baby. This episode is apparently supposed to reveal the detals of what Emma did.
I have to agree with this. Zelean won’t give birth until next arc, most likely.
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"You only need permission touch the cup, not drink from it (Everybody get straws!)?
Did she have permission to touch the cup?! Did she pray?!
*I need to stop trying to logic this* We know the answer is PLOT. Shiny shiny PLOT
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"I can’t help but think that some more of the OuaTiW characters will be bought over to the parent show during Season 6 because of this.
Obvs.
Anyway, some photos
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"Interesting article and worth the read
This year, the TV season has stretched into November without a single new title consigned to the rubbish heap -— something that industry watchers say hasn’t happened since the early 1950s.
The absence of cancellations is another sign of the tectonic shifts underway in the television industry. Thanks to digital recording and streaming, millions of viewers no longer watch shows when they are first telecast -— making network executives reluctant to kill a program that may be quietly building an audience that’s not being counted by traditional ratings.
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"Here’s something about the Holy Grail that needs to be considered. They never outright said it was the same Holy Grail that Jesus apparently drank from. I mean, Merlin said it was from “the Gods”, implying that this particular Holy Grail wasn’t even given by a monotheistic God that Christianity is known for. So this could be an alternate unique interpretation of the Holy Grail that exists specifically in FTL, and is not the same as the traditional Holy Grail as we know it. In fact, they combined the Holy Grail with the concept of Elixir of Life from other stories: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elixir_of_life. This grail could be from the Gods of Greek mythology for all we know, given all the ties to it this Season.
I said this in the fav/least fav threads: it’s a cup, with crosses, in Arthurian mythology/with Arthurian characters, and being called The Holy Grail. All that combined means it’s the Holy Grail. There aren’t multiple Holy Grails. It’s a unique item. They aren’t making a unique interpretation; they are taking VAST liberties with a relic in order to force it into the narrative because everyone knows that the Grail is *the* quest object in Arthurian mythology.
If they wanted just some Greek/polytheistic relic to bestow immortality, have Merlin drink some Ambrosia/Nectar from an sort of cup. Easy peasy. We know Greek gods exist in this world. We’ve established that and it’s a nice way to combine the Arthurian mythology and Greek myth, which we’ve been doing all season and is what you’re actually suggesting they are doing here–except for the the object, the narrative, and the situations reads otherwise.
Having THE Holy Grail (whatever “unique interpretation” you want to fan wank, it was very clearly supposed to be THE Grail) is super problematic because it raises so many FREAKING questions and issues. I have no problem with there being a magical cup in OUAT and, more specifically, in Arthurian mythology, but to call it THE Holy Grail is incredibly problematic because it suggests that Jesus existed in and had the same influence on the Enchanted Forest as he did in our very real world.
Christianity is not sui generis; it did not form in a vacuum completely devoid of outside forces and therefore could equally form in another universe. What outside forces you ask? Judaism, for one. Polytheism for another. History between those two forces, for a third. All of that (and so much more) led to the rise of apocalyptic Judaism and, eventually, to a preacher named Jesus who roamed around ancient Galilee, trying to tell people that times were ending. This is to say nothing of the apostle Paul who is responsible for Christianity going out to the Gentiles where it really took root (Jewish-Christianity fading away as the city of Jerusalem burned). If any of that–Judaism, Greco-Roman culture, the interaction between the two, and Paul–happened in the Enchanted Forest, then we’ve never seen it nor heard of it. And, like I keep saying, Jesus was not a realm jumper.
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"I think it would make more sense if only the ones with the grail’s power could be tethered to it, but I’m no sure. We know the DO can cleave themselves from the dagger using the sorcerer’s hat.
Well, Merlin’s intent was to make a sword that would cut the magic/immortality from him. So I assume you can be untethered and cleaved (twitch) from the thing that you are tethered and uncleaved (twitch) to.
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"WHY did Nimue not melt into dust when she drank from the grail? The man that was with MERLIN in the beginning of the episode .. melted into dust when he drank from the grail and I presumed it was because he had an impure heart. I think Nimue had a dark impure heart as she was consumed with vengeance and revenge. She should have melted away into nothing when she picked up and drank from the cup. . .
Yes she should have. So either:
1) the gods didn’t care?
2) she didn’t have an impure heart?
3) PLOT. Shiny shiny PLOT
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"
