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If people come back wrong, then whatever is left of original Rumpel wouldn’t want that for Bae. He might be trying instead to be worthy of going where he thinks Bae is now.
Yes, I see what you’re saying. The big problem is that nothing has been said–explicitly–that Rumple came back wrong. It’s actually just a fan theory that Rumple fans have been using to try and rationalize Rumple’s current behavior.
Blue Fairy came back fine. Ana in WL came back fine (2x). Rumple coming back wrong would be a highly interesting story but the writers haven’t given anything definitive about if he did come back wrong–and it’s unlikely that they will given that A and E like move quite rapidly past their former arcs and almost never touch on them again.
[adrotate group="5"]"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"There is a fab post on Tumblr that I’ll have to find about how this kind of language–“your love saved me”–is actually incredibly not okay.
Link to the post
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"Belle has no storyline outside of her two male romantic partners. She’s not even allowed to interact in any meaningful way with her father, let alone with another female except when Belle is supposed to be “Google” or when her life is threatened.
Then again, where Belle’s concerned, I don’t think A&E would know the Bechdel Test if it stole their dinner.
The writers seem to be inexplicably bored by Belle (and looking back, I think they were bored in the end by Neal because they also brought in a shiny pirate who got be their wish fulfillment character, as we’ve talked about before). They love Emma and tout her as a strong female, yet her–what did you call it—evolution has gone from being this strong independent but still fragile woman who was defined by loss and hope and motherhood and being a lost girl to being one half of a popular ship (both with Hook and Regina cause LAWD they have turned up the queer bait this season). I mean, her goodbye with Henry was 5 second long. Her goodbye with Hook was several mins (and revolved around HIM for crying out loud. All about “I was dark once and I know how this goes but now I have you and I’m so much better. Me Me ME!) And then she spent the entire episode with Regina in which, at the climax, it was Regina who talked Emma down. Not Emma’s own sense of goodness, but the more popular half (99% of SQers are Evil Regals) of her second most popular (maybe first most popular) ship!
There is a fab post on Tumblr that I’ll have to find about how this kind of language–“your love saved me”–is actually incredibly not okay.
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"Without his son, even with Belle left to love, there’s not been enough to keep it in check.
#BoldStorytelling
But you’re right. Bae was the light. Which is why Rumple doing *none of this* to at least try and get Bae back (you know, his happy ending) makes no sense.
Ok, I’ll get off my little soap box.
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"I don’t think the DO curse helped, but he still made the choices he made, even back from the moment he became the DO–like mass murdering the soldiers.
I agree that Rumple systematically made terrible decisions, I don’t think the point is to absolve him of responsibility. Rather, lets rephrase the issue. To what extent are dark and light magic qualitatively different, or are they like the Force in Star Wars, two sides of the same coin, colored by a person’s choices and motivations? Speculatively, and within the OUAT universe, do you think one could be a DO and “overcome” the curse by “lightening” the magic (rather than by breaking the curse through external means)?
Personally? I think you can overcome darkness. Rumple never wanted to. He needed that magic, the reputation, the abilities, of being the Dark One to find Bae.
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"A question before formulating an opinion…what’s with all the Rumple’s dying/Bobby wants off the show stuff coming from? The current storyline or something read or just speculation?
Current storyline, spec, certain Bobby interviews/opinions, and the way he is currently portraying Rumple vs how he has played him in the past.
Also…Rumple is dying. His heart is going black. That part was confirmed. The question is whether or not he will fully die and subsequently comes back from death.
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"I hate to say it, but really, OUAT as it stands now is written from a place of pretty egregious white male privilege.
Word.
Their handling of some female characters–both heroes and villains–in season three and season four is getting rather squicky in terms of what makes a woman good and what makes a woman bad.
Ingrid is sexually harassed by the Duke and turns evil and kills her sister but he is allowed to walk away free of any sort of impunity.
Cora sleeps with Jonathan and winds up pregnant and alone and so desperate that she schemes to steal Leo away from (incredibly light and virginal and precious) Eva while Cora ends up leaving her baby in the woods.
Zelena is denied Rumple’s love and affection and she turns green with jealousy and ends up mind raping him later in time.
Belle has no storyline outside of her two male romantic partners. She’s not even allowed to interact in any meaningful way with her father, let alone with another female except when Belle is supposed to be “Google” or when her life is threatened.
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"I do actually wonder if Rumple’s black heart isn’t the result of what he’s done but as a consequence of being the dark one.
I dunno. I think chalking it all up to being the DO is taking away his choices and the decisions he made that were terrible. I mean, I love(d?) him but he has some truly appalling things. Saying it’s because he’s the dark one and his heart is darkening as a result and thus becoming evil isn’t quite fair. I don’t think the DO curse helped, but he still made the choices he made, even back from the moment he became the DO–like mass murdering the soldiers.
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"What’s funny is how much the writers either consciously or unconsciously recycled elements from Season 2, and Neal’s storyline.
RIGHT?!
Like could Lily and Neal have shared more in common in what we’ve seen thus far. JEEZ
It’s no joke that the show had a huge lift in ratings from Frozen yet managed to shed most of that bonus audience–without even the excuse of erratic scheduling that affected Season 2 B.
All in the course of one arc as well. We were already down to about a 1.9 at the end of 4A. They came for Frozen but quickly learned that they didn’t like what they saw.
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"A and E TOLD the casting department to get someone who resembled Regina in order for that episodes thesis of relationships to make sense. In other words, the casting department went into casting adult Lily knowing that they had cast someone with Latina heritage. In order to compensate, they had to change Agnes Brukner’s look to make it “work.”
Sorry to butt in, but isn’t this an assumption in itself? Did Adam and Eddy ever specifically say this? I get why you would come to that conclusion, but unless there’s actual evidence from the two directly, it’s still speculation.
did they ever say it? No. Was it all over the entire episode? Yes. So I’ll retract and state again,
It was incredibly obvious that in the episode 405, Lily was meant to parallel Regina right down to her looks. They wanted to drive home the idea that Emma and Lily were Emma and Regina but with a different outcome. It was not subtle. Hence all the Lily is Robin and Regina’s daughter crack theories that came up.
Now, this doesn’t actually matter. The casting department still cast someone who has Latina heritage and has a certain look and then dismantled it when they cast the adult version. A and E did know who Lily was, they knew how they intended to use her. Trying to say that it was a break down in communication is simply letting everyone off the hook.
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"
