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ParticipantI’ve got serious whiplash from Henry’s ambivalent attitude when it comes to magic. One minute he’s anti-magic, but the next moment he’s pro-magic. Henry tried to destory magic in S2, but then he tried to save magic in NL in S3. Henry later became the Author in S4 and started to embrace his powers before he destroyed the quill because “no one should have that much power.” Henry finally got the magical quill back in the UW and decided to use his power as it was always intended: to record history as it unfolded and to help lost souls discover their unfinished business. Yet, he’s suddenly back to being anti-magic? Does his anti-magic attitude include being against all magic, including white magic like Emma’s and his own brand of authorial magic, or just dark magic, like Rumple’s and the Evil Queen’s? I know; my questions are pointless.
[adrotate group="5"]"That’s how you know you’ve really got a home. When you leave it, there’s this feeling that you can’t shake. You just miss it." Neal Cassidy
Slurpeez
ParticipantShe’s the Savior. She’s willing to give up her life for anyone, though. That’s her whole cosmic significance. She’s willing to take on the darkness, face any foe, for the the town, her family, her friends, and just the general principle of “good” because at the end of the day, she’s an archetype. I’m not saying she doesn’t love Hook but in terms of confirming TL, it was a weird way to go about it because 1) Emma’s very essence as TL incarnate should be enough and 2) substitute Hook out for anyone that Emma feels a personal or cosmic sense of obligation to and it would still work (and should work no matter what because of the aforementioned TL Incarnate)
THIS!
So when Emma sacrificed her happiness by becoming the dark one to ensure Regina got her happy ending at the end of S4, would you all consider that an act of true love as well? I would, and I’m not even a SQ shipper! When Emma pushed Hook out of the way, I would likewise call it an act of true love. But that goes to what @RumplesGirl was saying about that just being what Emma does. She saves people! Her heart is already full of true love thanks to her parentage. She’s the Savior precisely because she is true love incarnate. It’s what makes her special.
"That’s how you know you’ve really got a home. When you leave it, there’s this feeling that you can’t shake. You just miss it." Neal Cassidy
Slurpeez
ParticipantOh hai Zeus, how you doin’!
Seriously!
RumplesGirl wrote: That’s a lot of fine lines (same goes with a lot of things happening with Rumbelle). He’s not deceiving her in the sense that he lied–everyone did get home–and he never said that he wasn’t going to follow through on his plans from 519. It’s not good, not by any stretch of the imagination, but I’m not sure deception is the right word.
It’s still lying by omission.
"That’s how you know you’ve really got a home. When you leave it, there’s this feeling that you can’t shake. You just miss it." Neal Cassidy
Slurpeez
ParticipantThe reason I’m still not 100% sure of CS is (1) all the failed TLKs and (2) the failed heat split. Did those things fail because they don’t really have TL or what? It’s just cause for confusion.
"That’s how you know you’ve really got a home. When you leave it, there’s this feeling that you can’t shake. You just miss it." Neal Cassidy
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ParticipantAlso from Lily Sparks:
“So what are we still doing here?” Robin asked, the perpetual befuddlement of his expression deepening. “We are going to save everybody,” Henry announced. “And you are going to give your daughter to Zelena, your rapist, because I like her now because we played dress up once as kids.”

"That’s how you know you’ve really got a home. When you leave it, there’s this feeling that you can’t shake. You just miss it." Neal Cassidy
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ParticipantFrom Lily Sparks:
Emma’s big plan to put half her heart into Hook fizzled in the face of the grisly, horrifying reality that the man beside her was actually an emo ghost, and Hook’s body was still in Storybrooke, quietly decomposing. This was a fairly obvious point a lot of us have been hung up on since the first episode of the back half of Season 5, but Emma had literally never even considered this. Embarassing, girl.

"That’s how you know you’ve really got a home. When you leave it, there’s this feeling that you can’t shake. You just miss it." Neal Cassidy
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ParticipantLily Sparks’ review is up: here! As always, she’s spot on!


"That’s how you know you’ve really got a home. When you leave it, there’s this feeling that you can’t shake. You just miss it." Neal Cassidy
Slurpeez
ParticipantWell, there’s always Nyx and Well of Wonders (or whatever it was called in OUAT in WL). When it comes to the show’s favorite pirate, there’s always a loophole. Never mind that dead used to mean dead.
"That’s how you know you’ve really got a home. When you leave it, there’s this feeling that you can’t shake. You just miss it." Neal Cassidy
Slurpeez
ParticipantI think the entire notion of a woman being able to change a man is very problematic, both in the case of Rumple/Belle and Hades/Zelena. Just look at Zelena and Hades. They’re now being lauded as “true love” even though Hades just tried to trap Zelena’s sister and baby daddy in the UW. Zelena thinks Hades has changed for her, but all he has done is get what he always wanted: for Zelena to break his curse so that he could leave. He also entrapped the “heroes” in the process. Sure, he said he’d do anything for her (e.g. breaking up the contract), but it wasn’t all that sacrificial for him. He got something out of it: his passport to freedom in the form of his defrosted heart. Zelena being in love with Hades is probably the cherry on top, but I don’t think it’s a sacrifice on his part by any stretch of the imagination. Rumple and Belle, on the other hand, didn’t share TLK. I guess that is because Rumple didn’t sacrifice anything for her (e.g. his love of dark magic), but then I ask again, what did Hades really give up for Zelena? It’s not like the contract of Rumple’s baby was all that meaningful or useful to Hades except as leverage over the dark one.
"That’s how you know you’ve really got a home. When you leave it, there’s this feeling that you can’t shake. You just miss it." Neal Cassidy
Slurpeez
ParticipantI had prepared myself for it. I think I had known Hook and Emma would are a “true love moment” ever since Emma described Nimue as Merlin’s “true love” (even after Nimue convinced Hook to murder Merlin). So, I guess it comes as little surprise that Emma would continue to laud Hook a hero and put herself in harm’s way for him (something we’ve seen her do for Henry, Snow White, Regina, and others). As has been pointed out, she’s the savior, so it’s what she does. Since she actually is TL incarnate, it’s still not clear to me whether it was Emma’s true love for Hook that let her pass so much as it was her heart being made of her parents’ true love that let her pass. While I actually was moved and touched by Emma and Hook’s farewell (something I attribute to JMo and Colin’s powerful acting chops), it will just be undone and lose its significance when he shows up in the finale in SB. Probably, they’ll be engaged by end of S5. *sigh*
"That’s how you know you’ve really got a home. When you leave it, there’s this feeling that you can’t shake. You just miss it." Neal Cassidy
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