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ParticipantWhat the Seer told him is that he would not cast the curse and he knew it to be Cora’s offspring and wanted her firstborn who from his PoV was the one to cast it. Now, if he made the mistake of seducing the wrong child to the darkness I would expect that that ties into the “undoing” that the Seer spoke of. Henry being his grandson was a big blind spot and he thought he had cheated that one when everyone got back to Storybrooke. Who’s to say another blind spot in his prophesizing won’t pop up?
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ParticipantWeren’t Rumple’s manipulations already of an innocent though? It’s not like Regina ever did anything to him to kickstart his corruption of her, so I don’t really see how WickedSisters being true would make the situation any more tragic. I think it was just Regina’s crappy fate to be the one to cast the Curse, and so one way or the other, she’d have gone dark. Rumple knew enough pieces of the puzzle that he could snark about “snow white” to Cora, and he knew her child would be important to him, and he’d known for ages that someone other than him would cast the Curse, so I think Regina’s role in it all was sadly inevitable.
Here’s how I see it, from Rumple’s PoV the darkness was foreordained to consume the curse caster and as a result he didn’t mind that happening to Regina so long as it got him to Bae, she would be collateral damage. However, if the Wicked Witch is a child of Cora, then as a result of influencing the wrong kid Rumple manipulated and corrupted someone whose fate would have otherwise been innocent and whose destiny in my opinion is not to be an Evil Queen condemned for all time. Considering the initial contract with Cora provides the clues, he wanted her first born child, who he knew to be a girl. Now Rumple by his own admission knows his farsight is imperfect, that said Rumple in the EF is incredibly arrogant as a result of the knowledge he gains from that ability. Pride goeth before a fall as the saying says. If the Wicked Witch is a child of Cora’s and more specifically an elder child then Regina’s tragedy is to have passed through the 9 levels of hell when by rights it should have been the elder sister’s fate.
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ParticipantIf the WickedSisters theory holds up (given the photo lends credence to the argument) then Regina’s life becomes even more tragic. Rumple’s manipulations would then have been of an innocent and Regina need not have been destined to be evil and that exchange with Regina in 2×02 “We Are Both” makes sense. If this all pans out I want Rumple to be on his knees begging Regina’s forgiveness plus Snow and David doing a little reevaluating of their own. A worry I would have though is that the revelation would drive Regina back down the hole in despair at the thought of having been turned and left hopeless and alone. If that’s the case then that extended family of her’s had better get hope and love into her life pronto.
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ParticipantWe should be wary, given how Eddie and Adam are about giving fans the slip. Based on the photo here are a couple of plausible theories.
1) Cora gives birth to the future Witch, a child born perhaps illegitimately prior to her marriage and dealings with Rumple. If this is the case then Rumple’s farsight into the future failed him big time.
2) The child is a legitimate child born in secret to protect her from Rumple
3) Some curveball that we’ll ring Eddie and Adam’s necks for when we see the episode.
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ParticipantLookie, lookie…. Is that Robin behind Regina? I think it is!
Edited: It might be Neal….I think it is but I’m going to leave it here anyway
That’s Neal Jo! But look directly behind Prince Charming, I think Robin is that head just barely visible above David’s left shoulder. Cue WR plotzing in 5,4,3,2….
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ParticipantI still doubt we’re dealing with the Witch being Regina’s sister but if that’s the working assumption then I can foresee only two possibilities:
1) Twins, Cora gives birth to two girls. Since the Witch’s costuming requires the green face paint, she need not necessarily have the Latina features of royal side of the family. Blue eyes are a possibility, given that we don’t know what color Regina’s paternal and maternal grandmother’s eyes were. If the Witch has reddish hair that could be an inherited trait as well (given we don’t know the hair color of the Queen or the Miller’s wife.) based on Cora brunette locks. Now, Cora loves Regina intensely so much so she pulls on her absent heart. Given that emotional response it makes me question what would make Cora give up a child of her own? Perhaps the child was the price of power in Cora’s Game of Thrones, at any rate twin sister plausible.
2) Child by a different father, a possibility given some of the physical incongruities between Cora, Henry Snr., Regina and the Witch. This begs several questions however, who the father is, why Cora’s focus is so squarely on Regina (esp. given the episodes featuring Cora and her daughter)? Now, memory potions and spells have been used as a consistent plot device so that may alleviate some of these loose ends.
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December 21, 2013 at 1:29 am in reply to: Confirmed, Implied and Tangental References to The Land of OZ #232946storyteller
Participantamendment to the list:
Regina’s apple tree and the unpleasant apple trees it was Dorothy’s misfortune to try to eat from.
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December 21, 2013 at 12:11 am in reply to: Confirmed, Implied and Tangental References to The Land of OZ #232936storyteller
ParticipantAll the signs pointing to #WickedSisters happening
Nous verrons mon amie. Nous verrons.
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ParticipantHappyEndings wrote: Lucy Ball will be on and she is funny but I am sure you young kids don’t know her or like something this is really funny not like this new stuff.
Who doesn’t know I love Lucy?!?!?!?! I’m 26 and I know she’s comedic GOLD.
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ParticipantHere’s some wild speculation on my part:
What if the Wicked Witch is the wife of King George? Remember all that Rumple said was that George’s wife was gone he did not explicitly say dead. And what if it was Cora who cursed her with bareness, what better way to strike back at her foe than at her foe’s daughter? This wouldn’t discount the possibility of the Witch being a blood or marriage relation of Regina’s or that she took a trip to Oz at some point and became the aforementioned Witch. Something to think about.
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