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@PriceofMagic wrote:
@Sarah_TN wrote:
@PriceofMagic wrote:
I would like Emma to end up with someone who isn’t Neal or Hook.
But I want my Hook fix! 😥
I don’t see Hook wanting to play happy families with Emma and Henry. He only wants Emma. However Henry is a big part of Emma’s life and will always come first. Hook is never going to convince Emma to ditch her son like he did with Milah. At best, if Emma and Hook do pair up, there will be some delightfully awkward scenes between Hook and Henry where Hook has to play nice and Henry making life extremely difficult for Hook.
Neal’s betrayal of Emma has affected her life very deeply for at least ten years. That’s not something that is going to be easy to forgive and forget. Fairytale land may run on true love and finding each other but the real world doesn’t. Henry may want his parents together but so do many kids in reality. Having Neal and Emma on good terms with each other but seeing other people can portray the fact that having your parents split up isn’t the end of the world as some kids may think it is.
Emma needs someone who isn’t going to or has already hurt her. How can she trust Neal after what he did and how can she trust that Hook isn’t going to stab her in the back when it suits him? (she can’t hence why she left him at the top of the beanstalk). Trust is the foundation of all good relationships. If there is no trust, then the relationship will eventually crumble. Emma may try and date Hook and she may try and give Neal a second chance, but at the end of the day, her inability to trust either of these men will prevent any relationship with them from going long term.
GRRRRRRR lost my post, but it kept the quote darn it 👿
None of our bad guys (or even Emma) wanted to play happy families either, until after they found True Love & wanted to redeem themselves, so I don’t see Hook as being any different there either, if he finds true love he will have a reason to change & redeem.I agree totally with your 2nd paragraph.
I also think that Emma needs a strong True love (she deserves it like no other, since she grew up loveless on account of having to save everyone else) & I agree with you on ‘the trust is the foundation of all good relationships’, she needs someone she can trust, ‘as if there is no trust, then the relationship will eventually crumble’.
Neal isn’t a candidate for that give how the show has portrayed True Love & how he has behaved. Having enough trust to have a good relationship for Henry’s sake, I think will take time, but will happen.
Hook on the other hand I don’t see as having broken Emma’s trust 1st- it was her who betrayed Hooks trust 1st (on account of what Neal did to her no less) & as Hook said to her later ‘I wouldn’t have done that to you’ (it has been confirmed that this is the truth- Hook would not have left her up there by Adam & Eddie & that she upset Hook by betraying him so). I think Emma’s reaction to Hook after that statement, has changed slightly- she doesn’t trust him yet, but she has dropped her guard/ hostilely (not sure those are the right words) slightly.I’ve always paralleled Hook & Emma’s interactions with Charming & Snow’s
How Hook & Emma’s meet, with Charming & Snow’s- Charming trapping the thief Snow in a net & forcing her to get back his ring, Emma trapping Hook & forcing him to get their ticket home.
Hook & Emma’s trip up the bean stalk & Charming & Snow’s forest walk to the Troll bridge- both Charming & Hook poked & prodded until Snow & Emma revealed something deep & meaningful about themselves.
Snow & Emma then both ditched their guy’s in order to carry out their own goals- Snow shoved Charming into the river & Emma chained Hook a wall up a beanstalk (much more effective). Then both guys turn back up help to the girls out & let them know they don’t do mindless killing of women (Charming with the Queens men, Hook with Auroras heart & throwing his fight with Emma). There are more, but I’ll leave it at that 😉[adrotate group="5"]surayyaParticipant@TheLadyBelle wrote:
What I don’t like about CaptainSwan is that it clearly is supposed to be a kind of psudo-Elizabeth Swan/Jack Sparrow relationship. It’s just… I don’t want to use the word, but I feel like I have to: dumb. It’s only there to connect to fangirls who’ll just go: OMG! CaptainSwan! Hook is just Sexy…!!!
Sorry for the ranting, but that’s what I feel about it.See I wasn’t a fan of PoC (I’ve seen them, but I didn’t really like them) & I just don’t see the connection you do there between the 2 couples…..I thought Elizabeth/ Orlando character were together 😕
I do get where you are coming from with over kill though (I current hate is the Emma/ Neal ships, along with the Neal is sooo sexy posts & got sick of all the Whale threads there was a while ago- but I just try avoid those threads as best I can).
Yep, Hook is hot or sexy or what it is they are going on about, but then so are many of the other EF guys (Charming with his shirt off was a real threat- Lucky Snow!)- it’s not like he’s the only one & I’ll bet they’ll jump on the next ‘new’ hot guy to come along 😆 😉Annnyways, I’m highly doubtful that Eddi & Adam would pair Hook & Emma together just for some teens to scream about, so you can take hope from that 😉
I know none of this will change what you feel & it wasn’t intended for that anyway- everyone is entitled to think & feel as they want to- period! But maybe it can help put it into context for you & it might not bug you so much 🙂
surayyaParticipant@tombo671 wrote:
You left out Cora, right? Because they haven’t introduced her backstory yet, and I’m hoping they make an exception with her and have her start off with evil tendencies only to be manipulated by Rumple later on, because she really does resemble a psychopath/Sociopath. Also I agree about Hook. Personally I see Hook as more of an Anti-Hero, even though the writers are trying to make it that way he just doesn’t seem that way. Most of what he’s doing Is because he hates Rumple, Pretty similar story to Reginas however Regina was much more extreme and Brutal and she has killed more people in her normal lifespan than Hook has in his 300 years, and that goes without mentioning Rumple and Cora, Hook just ain’t in their league if he’s considered a villain.
You got it in one- I left her out because we don’t know much about her past yet (we know she has murdered yes, but she was already twisted at that point & we don’t know if it was in her nature or she was driven to it) & the fact we have her back story coming up in the next few eps anway.
I also agree with Hook being an anti-hero 😉surayyaParticipantOwen- aka Greg- could have been running with August as a child/pre-teen (when a bunch of them left the orphanage together) & heard about this magical place in our world which August had come from, maybe he found a home eventually with Ben, changed his name to Greg & the rest is history 😉
It’s obvious now that August had some kind of magic available to him, since whatever shiny blue thing Neal glanced at, made him totally believe that August’s ‘magic is real & Emma’s destiny’ talk, were the real deal & not the crazy rantings of a lunatic, so August had to have found that somewhere- I wonder if he ran into Peter, since he & the others could have been considered ‘lost boys’ & got the magic from him- or was it Tink he showed Neal….. Oh man, the list of ‘what it could be’, is so long 😆It’s all a giant stretch I know, but I don’t have anything else 😉
surayyaParticipant@Ser_Dragon wrote:
@Phee wrote:
We know that Nealfire stipulates that the conversation with Rumple only last for 3 minutes, which means that he isn’t keen to talk to him at all.
What? WHAT?? Where? How that? Where it is? Where it is? Tell me! Where?
Here you go my mental health, bye bye… 😕
Here- 1st post is of the interview – https://oncepodcast.com/forums//viewtopic.php?f=84&t=2828
surayyaParticipant@The Jolly Roger wrote:
I’m so sorry, I wasn’t thinking, I’ll fix it right away. I’ve only sort of scanned through the other posts so I must’ve missed yours. But I’m glad that you agree 🙂
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surayyaParticipant@playarita wrote:
I have always thought Hook as the byronic hero. Now that said are there any byronic heroes (think Heathcliff from Wuthering Heights) that did not have an unhappy ending. If not then are there other character archetypes that have the same beginning–or similar in that there is a lost love, or something tragic that happens but less tragic endings? I found a rather good list here and it be interesting to explore which archetype Hook might fit.
Hehe, the definition of a byronic hero (aside from the young bit) fits Rumple as well 😆 😉
I guess I can see how Hook could fit the definition, but we have yet to find out if he’s distressed by a terrible wrong he himself committed in the past, or if if that was in fact just Rumple killing his wife which put him over the edge.
I’m sure something happened in his past which meant he had to ‘grow up’ fast & fend for himself vigorously to have become a pirate captain in the 1st place (kind of makes me want to watch stardust again- De Niro gives Pirates everywhere hope of redemption lol 😉 😆 )- I just hope we get to see that story- even if Peter isn’t in it (or he turns out to be Peter 😕 )!surayyaParticipant@The Jolly Roger wrote:
I’ve just seen the sneak peeks, and I noticed something that would make CS fans very happy.
In the scene where Emma and Rumple are looking for Bealfire/Neal, and Emma speaks into the speaker, Neal recognises her voice so he runs. He doesn't know that Rumple is with Emma, so therefore he is still running away from her. However in contrast to Hook – Hook stays and fights for what he wants 'A man unwilling to fight for what he wants, deserves what he gets'. I truly believe that this famous quote will come up again, and this time will be directed at Neal/Bealfire.
Also, while I'm on this topic, Neal got a postcard at the start of the season and he still hasn't gone to find Emma.
So in my eyes, I can already tell who is more suited to Emma – Captain Hook. I find them both so alike and so perfect for each other.As for Neal I believe that he will find someone else who he will be willing to fight for, because right now his not even lifting a finger for Emma.
You might need to spoiler block your post Jolly Roger as this is in general 🙂
You’ve posted almost the same thing as I posted on the previous page- I’d only seen the 1st promo though (it’s all under the spoiler block).
But I couldn’t agree more with you! Esp having seen the sneak peek you refer to 🙂surayyaParticipantWow, just got through reading the whole thread……… 😆 😆 😆
I think some people like using big wooden spoons for stirring & others are uber passionate about their fav’s (for whatever reason).If there is one thing this show does, it is NEVER have a bad guy who is simply ‘pure’ evil- they always have a reason for being who & what we see them as.
Regina was the big bad, then we found out her true loves heart was ripped out in front of her by her mother, because a 10yr old motherless child couldn’t keep a secret from said mother + Rumple manipulated her- it doesn’t excuse all the lives she’s destroyed, taken & murdered in getting her revenge, but she is still redeemable.
Rumple was the biggest baddy of all, until… we find out he only became the darkone out of fear of loosing his son, then choosing power & cowardice over his son & that all his actions from then on, are to get back to his son. Again it doesn’t excuse the hundreds of lives he’s destroyed, murdered & taken in his obsession to get back to his son & we all know he is redeemable.
Hook; all we know so far is he has shot Belle in the shoulder, ripped out a heart & given it back again & done what he’s had to, by way of lying, flirting, cheating, charming, stealing, flirting, double crossing & oh, flirting- so being a pretty typical pirate, all in the name of getting revenge on the man who ripped his wife’s heart out in-front of him.
Hook to has been honest about who & what he is- a pirate, so it goes without saying (I assume), that you watch your back 😉
Personally I like him more because he has a moral code (makes him more complex IMO)- it might be hard to follow sometimes but it is there, unlike Regina & Rumple, who have killed their loved ones outright to get what they wanted.surayyaParticipantIt sucks when your post gets lost in cyber-space- I feel for you there!
I agree 100% with everything you’ve said 🙂 bring on CaptainSwan!!!! (& Please, please some good Hook back story) 😀
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