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I have wondered before coming up with the opposite will be required to break the curse thing, if Emma will have to sacrifice/leave Henry- the thing she loves most (who was born in real/our world) here with a (god willing) redeemed Regina who is able to find true love here (but cant in FTL).
Im not 100% certain on it, but if in braking the curse all the FTL characters (aside from a defeated/redeemed Regina) have to go ‘home’ that would include Emma who is 100% made & born in FTL, but not Henry, who was born here, yes to a FTL mother, but also a ‘real world’ father…..So Emma would have to say good bye to Henry & Regina would have to be redeemed enough for that to be workable.
Ohhhh this will make almost everyone cringe (& most likely form a lynch mob 😈 lol ) but what if August is actually in SB for Regina 😯 -not to help her, but is there ‘for’ her, so she can be redeemed & FINALLY feel the love she desperately wants in her life again- Im just throwing it out there 😉I do agree with hjbau tho its most likely that Henry will end up with Emma (we’ve already been told time & again Henry is unhappy with Regina & it has been going on WAY longer then just the mth he’s had the book as Dr Hopper said he’s been in therapy for sometime as ALL Regina’s efforts to get closer to Henry have backfired- which is no surprise as enacting that curse has left her with an unfillable void that she can never fill until the curse is broken)
[adrotate group="5"]Yeah I do kind of think MM/SW does need to give EQ/Regina a piece of her mind- the whole curse EVERYONE thing just so SW cant have true love either is way to ‘big’ for SW not tell her how selfish & evil she has acted/been- she’s not a saint in this version after all 😆 .
Phee If you pause ep one when the camera pans around to show the tree being made into a wardrobe, the wardrobe IS the tree- its just been hollowed out & the doors are made from part of the hollowed out stuff, it was never chopped up & turned into an actual wardrobe in fact it appears it never even was removed from the cart they wheeled it into the council room with- so I just dont get where your interpretation of vessel is coming from re Pino/wardrobe, the BF speech has no context what so ever that could be taken as human vessel that I can work out.
After re watching ep 1 I went & edited my post to include when PC puts baby in it he could have in fact fit inside it himself, its just the extreme low camera angle that makes background stuff look much bigger/larger than it really is (we learnt this in high school photography classes lol) Also SW says ” the wardrobe, it only takes 1″ & “you have to send her through” Sounds like they already new the curse was going to transport them all & that the wardrobe was going to transport their child as well.
If Pino was made from that same tree & he was protected from the curse, fine I’d buy that- BUT he’d NOT have to be transported anywhere then as the curse (or EQ) took ALL FTL folk & plonked them in our non magical world, to live cursed lives – stripping them of their happy endings etc.
So to me if he’s protected from the effects of the curse, he’d still have been transported like everything else (remember the glass coffin is in our world as well, so it stands to reason Everything in FTL came- Im actually thinking that the transportation was more like a transference, FTL was transferred to its non magical or opposite equivalent & so our SB is sort of the non magical version of FTL, which is why the wardrobe spat Emma out well away from SB to help protect her from the curse), BUT would not be curse touched & therefore have ALL memories in tact etc- that Id buy I guess, but so not him being transported by the the enchanted wardrobe which can protect only one (Emma had to get AWAY from the EQ as she is the only one who can stop her, Not Pino, so EQ will hardly be looking for a non cursed Pino if he was indeed protected from the curse & so would not have needed transporting out of SB). I do have to wonder tho why it is Gep would have gone looking for away to save his boy if he was already protected from the curse?At the end of the day if you REALLLLLLLLY want August (or any character for that matter) to be someone, you’ll find away to make any situation ‘prove’ whatever theory you want it to 😉 – I am liking the newest Wizard of Oz theory/ stuff – its very well thought out there (even though Im not a fan of WOO I gotta admit they have made a very good case for it lol). I would love for August to be PP, but know its entirely unlikely. I like some of the stuff people have come up with for him being Bae as well (Id rather he’s Bae than Pino- but cant fall in love with any Bae theoies enough to get my hopes to high 🙄 ). I do like your theory that Pino was protected before the curse hit (it makes WAY MORE sense than him being protected by becoming part of the wardrobe), but its the only one that currently makes any sense to me from a logical stand point 😉
Actually charming we’ve already been told we will indeed find out exactly who Dr whale is next season.
TBH Im thinking because he is well featured (more so than Leroy/Grumpy) he must be a character of some significance in moving a story forward, as we havent seen the ‘stories’ of any other extras ie EQ soldiers, SW & PC soldiers, We dont even see the SB Fairies/nuns for more than just the one ep etc yet Whale has popped up in a number of eps just as Graham/The Huntsman did.@slurpeez108 wrote:
. I think that the writers may be wrapping up the tale of revenge between Regina and Snow White by the season finale. The tale has sort of run its course, and it’s time for a new focus (e.g. how Emma can get them out of FTL).
Oh I like this idea 🙂
Rumple thinks/feels he’s a monster & that is why stays shiny- he uses the shock factor to help maintain power over others- it scares them so he uses it to his advantage 😉
Im hoping it kind of takes the opposite of enacting the curse to break the curse- major dark deeds were required to enact it, so it would make sense that major good deeds would be required to break it- sort of opposites canceling each other out or creating balance.
Rumps never said the curse to eliminate all curses, he said to end all curses- to me he wants out of his curse & this is the only way he can currently end it (he feels hes a monster & so can never be loved nor does he want to die which are his 2 options to date). Remember in FTL he has mega loads of spun gold & wealth- if he’s no longer the dark one he IS still a rich one with a castle & everything. If by breaking the curse all of the once cursed FTL folk are also free of their curses, then Red would no longer be a wolf either- it’d sorta be like a soft reset for FTL. This also leaves room for new villains, with new agendas to come forward & create new havoc lol 🙂@Sam993 wrote:
I think MM is going to have to fight back, as in the next episode, against Regina. Like she needs to pull a Kathryn and slap the Mayor. Hard and with a bat.
LOL 😆
@Phee wrote:
@Surayya wrote:
sending a kid through is stupid when the thing was built to take a preggers adult-
Was it really though? Honestly, it woulda been a TIGHT squeeze for 9 months pregnant Snow to fit in that thing. Which makes me think that she was never actually meant to go in it. I think Blue Fairy somehow knew that Emma would be born at exactly the right moment to go into that tree without her mother.
Snow and Charming were kissing right when she went into labor. Maybe something in that particular kiss was a trigger that ensured Emma was born exactly when she was supposed to be? If true love’s kiss can break a curse, and if EQ’s curse was about to hit, and Emma had to be born before it hit to guarantee her safe escape, I’d buy it that that particular kiss was a link in the chain reaction that’s been playing out from before that moment and ever since, link by link governing Emma’s life, turning her into the person she’s become, and eventually bringing her to Storybrooke.
I’m not a huge fan of the theory where Pinocchio was turned back into wood to transport him, because as you say Surayya, the tree didn’t actually GO anywhere, so him being in the physical form of wood from that tree wouldn’t be any advantage as far as I can tell.
I just went back to watch the scene where Blue Fairy is telling them about the tree…
“The tree is enchanted. If fashioned into a vessel, it can ward off any curse.”
She didn’t specify, “This one time only, it’ll work if it’s fashioned into a wardrobe.”
The word “vessel” can mean several things, including:
“a person regarded as an agent or vehicle for some purpose or quality: she was the vessel of the Lord“
PuppetPinocchio’s body could be considered a vessel for his human spirit which came later. So maybe he was already protected from this curse, by virtue of being made from that particular tree.Note that Blue Fairy didn’t even actually say that the tree would transport the “one” to another world, just that it would “ward off any curse” and “it can protect only one”. Maybe the transportation to our world actually had nothing to do with the tree itself, but rather was an additional spell that Blue Fairy had to enact. If that were the case, she could have done the same spell for Pinocchio, who already had protection from the curse because his body was originally a vessel made from the tree.
Or Blue Fairy was straight up lyin’ to them all and it could in fact protect more than one, it’s just that not all of them were destined to be saved at that point in time, because things had to work themselves out in due course.
Either way, I believe they can quite easily get around the transportation issues without having to retcon anything.
Yes it was designed to take a preggers SW- the plan was, send SW through to save Emma & therefore everyone else (I will buy if Rumps was the one fibbing & he just needed SW & PC to believe Emma was FTL savior in order to set his plans into action- but then that will make Emma a darn sight less special & a whole lot more pathetic in that she had her life, home & family stripped from her, just so Rumps could do his thing).
Please remember the Blue Fairy didnt make the wardrobe, Gep did (BF only ASKED if he could make it, she didnt tell him to make it!) & to do that likely took plans which SW & PC will have seen- it is their child after all- trust or not, youd want to see the vessel being built which was to save your ONLY child & your entire world 🙂
Not only that but it was Doc that told PC, who had SW in his arms ready to carry her to the wardrobe, NOT to move SW into the wardrobe as she was to close to having baby pop out. PC a much taller broader male than SW could have squeezed into that wardrobe, he’d have to duck sure but he would have fit- the inside is hollowed out & the tree is almost as tall is he was & like 99% of household doors (my own wardrobe included) they are much lower than the ceiling or internal height. The images we see looking through the wardrobe show the internal space as being much more hollowed out than just from the door down & last but not least – its TV, budget is budget, if you can use a smaller scale model because its not a major feature in many scenes, you do, also it was a baby that had to be placed init at the end of the day, they have to make it as safe as possible for the baby with a bunch of cameras & set dressings all around- just because it doesnt look entirely large enough doesnt mean it isnt when you take into consideration we’ve been told SW is/was going to go through (I can point out a bunch of things that are a given on the show yet wouldnt work in reality & it all comes down to budget & what they expect you to buy into) lol 😉OK this is EXACTLY what BF states & the context its used under re the tree & Emma:
PC “What the hell is this”
BF”Our only hope of saving the child”
Grumpy “A tree?!, our fate rests on a tree?! Lets get back to the fighting thing”
BF “The tree is enchanted, if fashioned into a vessel it can ward off any curse” ……. Now the term vessel used in this context = 1. A hollow utensil, such as a cup, vase, or pitcher, used as a container, especially for liquids. Or in this case a wardrobe.
Possibly 2. Nautical craft, especially one larger than a rowboat, designed to navigate on water. Or An airship.
Doesn’t fit at all given the context of this conversation & the fact she’s had a tree hauled into the council room & stated it’s use will save them all by fashioning it into 3. Anatomy A duct, canal, or other tube that contains or conveys a body fluid: a blood vessel. Nor 4. Botany One of the tubular conductive structures of xylem, consisting of dead cylindrical cells that are attached end to end and connected by perforations. They are found in nearly all flowering plants. & certainly not 5. A person seen as the agent or embodiment, as of a quality: a vessel of mercy.)
Cont BF speech/scene/s:
BF “Gep, can you build such a thing?”
Gep “Me & my boy WE can do it”
BF “This will work, we ALL must have faith. There is however a catch, the enchantment is indeed powerful, but all power has its limits & this tree can PROTECT only one” Now she clearly said point blank here 1, Not 2, 1 (so if they send another through via that same tree & they are PROTECTED from the curse ie have memories in tack & happiness in their lives, then I’ll be really annoyed as that is a massive discrepancy in the story arc & if it’s handled like that its just poor writing- which I highly doubt is likely given what they’ve presented us with so far).No she didnt say it transports the person in it- that is just a given (at least it is for me & everyone Ive spoken to about it, quite aside from the fact that SW says something like it needs to take her away)- the savior/ infant can hardly grow up/survive & save anyone if they’re either stuck buried under some mines below SB or the only being left in FTL lol 😉 So its was just plain logic that the wardrobe/tree was chosen to protect the person inside it from that particular type of curse (SW & or PC put the word out after the Rumps bombshell to try confirm what they’d been told re EQ & curse (see EP 1 at beginning of council discussion), as well as how exactly they could save their kid from it etc & BF found them that way) & so the person init would be taken to the same place as everyone else who is cursed touched but yet be protected from the curse.
Yeah sorry but if we go with the good guys are just lying, then we have to consider everything we’ve heard out of every ‘good’ guy’s mouth is all just lies 🙄 – so nope, Im not buying that one as we’ve seen Zero evidence for it nor anything that could even be termed a lie from BF- she was straight up & honest with Grumpy re Nova, telling him point blank it was HIS choice to go with Nova or not, so that doesn’t count as being dishonest either lol 😉 )- Nowhere has BF outright lied that we’ve seen, if anything shes been the total oppisit- totally & brutally honest, even if the FTL folk wouldnt like the truth of the words (only one can use the tree & be protected, Nova will have to give up her dream of being a fairy god mother if she leaves fairy land etc)- that doesnt make her evil or devious- as much as it might tick ya off lol 😉 We do know there are good & bad fairies in FTL tho as SW told PC this when he asked her what her ‘dust’ was & she responded that it was not from a “good” fairy.
If August is Pino -then for me, it better have had NOTHING to do with going through that wardrobe, if he got to reality another way (as long as its good & makes sense) I’ll just not have August as a fav character but will otherwise buy it lol 😉
@sjm wrote:
The writers have to be pleased!
I know right 😀
@charming wrote:
@Sam993 wrote:
No, you’re right she did say sorry. You’re right too, there is some humanity in her. Some part of her knows what she is doing is wrong, but she still does them. She knows the right thing to do, but she still does the wrong thing in order to benefit herself. What I’m saying is that there’s a point where all actions, all terrible actions, must be answered for. When I say, a point of no return, I’m also saying will she be forgiven for all the terrible things she’s done? I think there comes a point where you cross a line, Regina crossed it when she took everyone’s happiness away, when she killed two precious soul, when she tried to kill Mary Margaret. She tries to justify her actions, but her reasons are flawed. Regina is a sad woman who feels the world is cruel to her, but really, all the miserable things that happened to her, all the sadness she feels is her own doing She’s a complicated villain, but she still is a villain nonetheless regardless of what she feels afterwards. After all, the road to hell is paved with good intentions.
Well put. I think I can go along with that. To add to this, I do not really think she knows every exact detail to all the events which brought her from there to where she is right now. I think her mother over the years had twisted her mind so much she either did not want to hear them or only heard what she wanted to. Yes, there is and should be a day of reckoning for her. Her punishment should also be the thing she lacked the most and that is to be loved and forgiven, I think then and only then will she feel worse. I can picture her eventually her crying her eyes out in front of every single Storybrooke character looking on with shock and awe.
I 2nd the above- it is what I think as well- until Regina feels true love again (but not from another, FOR another which is returned in kind) she wont be redeemed- everything she has done in her life since loosing Daniel has been about destroying others for her feeling loveless- SW has already forgiven EQ/ Regina & all EQ did is toss her words into the fire, so she has to feel true love for another again to change for the better, for me its just that cut & dried- anything else would just not be ‘enough’ to reconcile her for the crimes she’s committed against everyone else in FTL & Henry (if she REALLY loved him, she wouldnt be always trying to prevent him from seeing Emma- others have commented that Henry is Happier with Emma around & Regina reacts by trying to take that away, if she truly loved him, she’d see this & WANT him to be happy -instead she holds him back as he’s not doing what he should be doing for HER- loving her & no one else. So for me well she loves Henry in her own twisted way, its a selfish kind of love & not unconditional/true/pure love- Im sure lil sw would have repeatedly offered this kind of love to Regina, but she never received it in return)
Not sure where the August & only drinking water thing really comes from as the 1st 2 times he’s in the diner he’s drinking coffee (he mentions this fact both times, so we know he is actually drinking coffee)- he only orders water once at grannys & drinks it once at the well with Emma.
The EPs have stated August is Not the writer of the book nor future Henry, so those 2 options are totally off the table 😉 & leaves only Bae, Pino, PP or Grimm (type) Brother/decedent as they openly said at Paleyfest (I think it was), that one of the guesses mentioned then was correct, but wouldnt say which- its only recently that they’ve vetoed the 2 options above (I dont think PP is an option unless they have managed to get ‘rights’ to use it without it being leaked or the many private eyes aka ‘FANS’ finding it out lol).
