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@RumplesGirl wrote:
Here’s a question then: if it took Rumple 300 years for his abilities to become powerful enough to create/write/whatever he did to the Curse, were his abilities strong enough to create this creeptastic Shadow? His abilities right around the time Bae left were confined to turning people to snails and healing scrapes. He was still more physically violent than magically. Even the BF doubted his abilities.
*rubs head* Ouch. With the spinning.
LOL! Seriously rubbing my head too in frustration! They are going to leave us with so much to spin around this summer, it’s unreal!
I wondered the very same thing. If he can send a magical shadow, then why not himself? Things that come to mind, off the top of my head, are that maybe he didn’t want to come at that point. Perhaps he thought he could reach out and draw Bae back to him through Neverland, thus retaining his power and magic.
We know that the scenes between Rumple, Milah and Hook took place shortly after Bae disappeared. Rumple did have the ability to take hearts back then. We also know from SB that he had an ability to summon a wraith, a shadow/spirit like entity, so maybe he could do the same with another shadowy entity though he didn’t have the ability to send a physical person through.
We also know that it took Bae about 150 years to get from the EF to turn of the century London. Rumple would have acquired a lot of knowledge and experience by then. PLUS, and this is the important thing, Rumple knew when to come and find Bae, in the real world. He could have known that Bae was in London back then as well.
Here’s another thought. What if Rumple sent his own shadow! 😆 😆 Have we been looking to see if Mr. Gold is missing anything that he hasn’t been able to procure in his pawn shop? 😮 😀
Ok, that’s it for me for a few hours. 😆 😆 Need a break from magic 🙂 Throwing it back to you RG 😀
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@Belle wrote:
This is kind of a crazy theory, but when I heard that the shadow was only looking for boys, I thought what if Rumple had this whole island orchastrated to find Bae.
It reminded me of when King Herod ordered all the babies two years and under to be killed because Jesus was the prophesided king. Except for Rumple is looking for his son so he is ordering the shadow to collect all the boys in our land around the age of 14.
Rumple wouldn’t have found Bae because he was with Hook. If Hook found out that Bae was Rumple’s son, he wouldn’t have let Rumple find him.
Just a crazy idea!
Slurpeez mentioned this theory on another thread and I have to agree with her. I love this theory!
While K&H have said that both Bae and the shadow showed up at Wendy’s at exactly the same time they did not say that it followed Bae through the vortex at the same time. Only that magic followed him through. That could have been 6 months later.
Maybe Bae finally telling Wendy his name was Bae, out loud, triggered the shadow to seek him out in that home. It’s a good parallel to the real Rumpelstiltskin tale, where they find out his name when he sings it out loud around a fire.
Gosh, Rumple as the real, behind the scenes, leader of the Lost Boys. What fun! 😆
Keeper of Pandora's Box & The Yellow Brick Road.
@RumplesGirl wrote:
And this is where the Rumple theory falls apart. H and K said in the podcast that the shadow followed Bae and that they arrived in London at the same time, so I don’t think Rumple made the Shadow but I DO think it’s an offshoot of Bae.
What they said was that the shadow and Bae both showed up at Wendy’s at the exact same time, two weeks before hand. They went on to say that Bae went to a land without magic and that magic obviously followed him through they didn’t say at the exact same time. So, it could very well be that the shadow followed him through six months later.
I prefer to think along your lines RG. That means it’s part of Bae and keeps the NealFirePan theory afloat. However, I must say, this other theory has credence. It would imply that Rumple created the Lost Boys from having created a shadow that sought out the boys and brought them to Neverland. A relentless magic shadow, somewhat like a wraith, who’s purpose was to seek out lost boys in London in hopes that one of them would turn out to be Bae.
Oh no! My head is spinning again. 😮
Head is spin
Keeper of Pandora's Box & The Yellow Brick Road.
@RumplesGirl wrote:
Having listened to the podcast twice now, I really do think Bae is going to be our Peter Pan figure and that the shadow was part of Bae, something that got separated from Bae when he went through the portal.
If this is true, then those of us who kept the Nealfire Pan faith alive deserve a cookie.
That a girl! 😀 NeFiPan let’s go!!!
Keeper of Pandora's Box & The Yellow Brick Road.
I hear you 🙂 I was lost having been away for a month or so. So much stuff everywhere! 😆 😮
Keeper of Pandora's Box & The Yellow Brick Road.
@Phee wrote:
@slurpeez108 wrote:
Props to Phee, whom I believe predicted Baelfire would first come through the portal in Kensington Gardens in 19th-ceutnry London.
Thanks, feels like I’ve been guessing so much stuff wrong lately, ain’t gonna lie, it’s nice to have guessed something right. 😆
This whole Shadow thing is really intriguing, including the fact that Wendy never called it Peter Pan. If she’s been flying with this thing, and has seen others it’s taken and trapped, then surely its name has been made known to her, but she just calls it “The Shadow”. How did it become a separate entity? Who was it separated from? Or has it just always been an independent being?
I’m loving that Bae is finally stuck in the middle of the Onceiverse take on the PP story!
Phee!!! I’ve been waiting to hear what you think of the recent K&H podcast. It should get your head and toes tingling with fairy dust! 😆
Keeper of Pandora's Box & The Yellow Brick Road.
@RumplesGirl wrote:
@HappyEndings wrote:
You know what borthers me on the theory of PP, Bae didn’t like magic so why would he become PP also this PP is evil.
This is my take. If the shadow is the “evil” or “bad” side of Bae then it’s not really him and it’s not really Peter Pan. If Bae is Peter Pan, I think he’s going to be a reverse of PP. I think he will use the JR to take the boys being held on NL home and that’s how he is like PP without being PP.
Peter Pan bringing all the lost boys home isn’t reversed Pan though. It’s actually canon. We see him and Wendy doing this in J.M. Barrie’s book, Peter and Wendy.
They can spin it all they want but the bottom line is that he is the essence of Peter Pan thus he is Peter Pan.
Keeper of Pandora's Box & The Yellow Brick Road.
@KFChimera wrote:
Yes, they did say they conceived the character of Bae around Peter Pan’s story–but I suppose I can say this without spoilers. I don’t think another character is going to be PP other than Bae, but that how Bae fills that role is not the traditional PP we know. He isn’t going to fear staying with Wendy in London–rather that is what he wanted. He doesn’t think NL is a great place full of adventure–he probably will hate it there, and want to leave only he is unable to do so for reasons we will find out. I also think he is not going to start off with an adversarial relationship to Hook, which is of course, the traditional PP does. Nealfirepan will not hate adults or fear growing up. He’s probably going to fear never having a real family and parents to love him more than growing up. Traditional Peter sort of wanted a mother, but not enough to stay in London with Wendy. Bae would jump at the chance to return–but for some reason when he does come back to the real world it is too late and he is on his own again. That’s why he is in America and becomes a thief.
I wholeheartedly agree. We are definitely going to see their spin on things. Funny how they brought up Red=Wolf as an example. Perhaps confirmation that the shadow is in fact Bae?
Keeper of Pandora's Box & The Yellow Brick Road.
@KFChimera wrote:
To be fair–they are still keeping the mystery alive by avoiding direct confirmation.
Exactly! They really were playing word games on that last podcast. But it's important to note that when they bring up the Peter Pan theory, all they said was that they were excited to see him go to the Darlings. They never dismiss it, They also say that the conception of the Baelfire character was Peter Pan. So, they are really playing us but I take it as confirmation that Bae is Pan.
Keeper of Pandora's Box & The Yellow Brick Road.
