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That is a really interesting thought ^^
However, there are a couple of things I would like to add:
the first one is regarding the idea of science not being developed in a world with magic. This idea makes me remember what Tolkien said in his essay “On Fairy tales”. He said that every world needs a set of natural –and, sometimes, also magical- rules to work. It is completely possible to develop science in a world with magic, especially the sort of science more related to everyday live. I guess there were midwifes, rural doctors, herbalists, builders, gunsmiths, astronomers, etc… in the Enchanted Forest, since we only have heard about 4 magicians, but people seem to live without their constant assistance. Besides that, magic has its rules, its limitations; those magicians had also part of Scientifics, they know about the rules of the world and about the rules of magic, and how to make them fit together. (A fact that allows the “debate” between Dr. Frankenstein and Rumplestiltskin as equals)The second one is regarding the evolution of science from superstition. Actually, it was like a circle: in the Ancient Greek –well, and in Mesopotamia, in Egypt…- the philosophers were actually scientifics, the current difference between “those who think” and “those who practice science” didn’t exist. A doctor was also a mathematician, astronomer, lawyer and poet. That was the time in which the atom was “discovered”, and some rules of physics and mathematics set, for instance. With the raise of Roman Empire, the Barbarian Invasions, the raise of Christianism, and finally the Fall of the Empire, all that knowledge was lost until the Renaissance and was finally fulfil during the Enlightment.
But the fact is that those so called “magicians” who lived before the scientific method were not superstitious people who wanted to turn iron into gold… most of the scientific practices were punished (the last Inquisitorial trials were in 1821. In the same year in which Newton born, Galileo was burn for saying that Earth moves around the Sun and not the opposite way. And more or less at the time of Newton the “Tableau de l’inconstance des mauvais anges et demons” was written by the inquisitor Pierre de Lancre, and also the “Malleus Maleficarum”. Both of them very useful books… to find and kill witches and other dangerous persons) another instance is that one of the most famous places to learn magic was the Black School of the Sorbonne in Paris. It was said that the Devil himself taught his pupils the dark arts. The fact was that there were some students who were not satisfied by what they learnt at the University and wanted more. They wanted real science and not “magic”. The paradox is that those pupils of “the Devil” have been recorded as the magicians.
Just a couple of additions, I enjoy your reflection. ^^^Conclusion –my opinion, sure- no matter how much Dr. Frankenstein and Rumplestiltskin want to discuss about the differences of their respective arts, they are two sides of the same coin: knowledge. The difference lies in perception: Magic is seen as dangerous and unreliable while science is seen as honourable and reliable.
[adrotate group="5"]I wonder if the magic done by the Dark One remains after his “death” or disappearance; i mean, if Rumplestiltskin is dagged… then all the magic he has done disappears? Because if it is the way it is, the solution is quite obvious…
Nevertheless, I also wonder if there is possible for Rumplestiltskin to retain magic after break the curse of the Dark One. Not only because by doing this he can help to fix some stuff, but also because I don’t want him to loose his magic. You know, I like the idea of this old man becoming a quiet and respectable alquimist or magician…-but that is me, being fond of magic XDD-
Really good question. Actually I think that they are still immortals, since they are no humans: She is a fairy in a nun’s shape, and he is sort of “possesed” by the Dark One.
I think the Blue Fairy is immortal wherever she is, but Rumplestiltskin… well, I think that if he looses his powers, he becomes mortal (if not dies directly)I guess it wouldn’t work.
Magic works different in our world. It’s true that the true love kiss was enough to break the curse, but that was a curse created in FTL, so probably it followed FTL’s rules of magic. Another reason is the fact that it is not an actual curse, it is, as i understand it, the price for break the curse. And finally, the magician wants to go outside and find his son, and he has a true love back in SB. If the possibility existed, probably he tried something (althought he has curses enough in him as to need an entire night of passionate love to be free from all, so maybe this last argument is the less useful)
But even if the true love kiss worked; it will be permanently? you must go back to SB to be kissed… once free from the curse, you will be again in SB with your memories, and the border will have still its power… it would be like a neverending circle.
It is not mentioned, but in “desperate souls”, Henry tells Emma that she shouldn’t make an alliance with him because “he is even worse” than Regina.
So, if Henry knows who Mr. Gold is, Rumplestiltskin must appear in the book…
And there is also the thing about how to break the curse; the way was revealed to Snow by Rumplestiltskin himself… wasn’t that in the book? I always thought that all the stories that take place in FairyTales Land were the stories in the book.By the way: it would be REALLY nice if someone publishes that book as merchandising (you know, the complete thing, the same covers, the tales, pics…)… I would buy it without thinking :geek:
You are not talking to the wind. This is a really serious matter and should be treat very tactfully.
First of all, i completely agree with you: one shouldn’t be able to decide what a person has to know and what not. We all deserve the truth, whatever the circunstances. Although maybe what should be done is choose the correct moment to tell everything, because maybe a little child can not face up or even understand the real dimension of what s/he is hearing. Of course, beind adopted is not a crime, and makes no one less beloved, but there are different circunstances and one should act in consecuence and say the truth kindly.On the other hand, all these thoughts are suitable for the real life in the real world. When coming to create a story, a writer chooses his/her characters to do what makes the plot advance. It is true that we as readers/audience grow fond of some characters and care about them, but being honest, the way Rumpelstiltskin behaved is the one that fits better for the storyline: he is a coward, has no corage enough to tell his son the truth. So the child thinks that only his father is alive and being afraid of him, decides to run away to a world without magic. Knowing that his mother was alived, Bae probably ran away to try to find her instead of to another world. It is tragic, and sad, but it is the way it should be “literary”.
It’s us, as real people in the real world, who have to know the difference and to act properly in our lives if a similar situation is near us. And the correct way to act is the way you ask for.
Because here, cowards have no magic to use as a crutch, and children have no magic beans to run away to Neverland.
It could be. But there are no references to a previous live. It seems like the family has lost its reputation and nothing else.
And -this is just a guess, but I’m pretty sure (contradictions everywhere XD ) losing wealth is something difficult to forget, so probably Milah would reproach him also for that -or himself, or his son, or…- It would appear at some point, because wealth is more important than reputation; without money you can die starved, but lack of reputation only hurts your pride.
but it is FairyTaleLand, not the real world, so.. it could be that living like they did was not as bad as I imagine, and that I’m just transferring my impressions in a wrong way.
After all, beggars in Fairy Tales are ussually much more than just poor people…I completely understand what you mean… but that is why I can’t understand why marry him. yes, he was not the village coward, but he is older than she is, he was not rich, not prosperous, not handsome.. he was just a spinner. Don’t misunderstand me… I know that in Medieval times, especially in England, being spinner was having quite confortable life, it was one of the more powerful guilds… ^^ but the way he is presented is almost as being a beggar, and no parents in the world would like their daughter married to a peasant if they can avoid it.
But i agree, he probably accepted she doesn’t love him long ago… and also that he was projecting his own guilt in her (and that is the why for thinking all those things i wrote before. like people who think that they are being cheating by their partners because they have cheating them before) ^^
P.S. In a way it is XDD actually, it is to the figure in the old Mythologies -the Spider, the Coyote, the silver fox, Loki, Hermes, the Raven, Eshu, Wakdjunda… and yes, Loki-Gabriel from Supernatural XDD and, of course, Rumplestiltskin 😆 What can I say? i’ve been in love with these guys since i was a child…
do you think they are going to add mythological characters appart from those from the Fairy tales? mhm… it could be, but i don’t think Bae fit in any role…
about Norse mythology, well, there are certain Swan Maidens here and there, if you know what I mean… 😆 but there is already a trickster in the show 😆Such a solid theory!! 😯 I have to agree with you even while I’ve always thought Bae was “only” Peter Pan… 🙂
But i wonder, if you are right and he has been traveling for one world to another, without growing out until he arrived our world without magic for about… 300 years? (if his father is more or less that age, Bae should be… 270? )… then maybe all those changes have affeted him in some way? If he turns to be the misterious man, he looks quite uneasy and confused in our world.
How could all those travels affected him? in which way? Has he changed his mind regarding magic? maybe he has forgot about something? is he running away from something/somewho?
Just see what being traped in Wonderland made to Jefferson… what could being a “worlds-traveler” make to Bae’s mind?Now, I’ve more questions than before, but I’m still impressed by your theory 😉
