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I hope you guys are sending Jen some love on twitter because apparently, she’s getting hate from “fans” because of what she said.
[adrotate group="5"]People are freaking ridiculous. Jennifer’s been tweeting a storm and they’re going to give her crap about her comments regarding the show? JUST STOP WATCHING ALREADY!!! When will people realize all they’re going to do is encourage the actors/writers et al to go silent and post/tweet/interact absolutely nothing.
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Happy Tuesday all!!Oh my. I get being upset with the way the story went or whatever, but these ad hominem attacks on the real-life individuals involved in this show are getting a little sickening.
SFers are very angry. An SFer on Tumblr wrote an angry “letter” calling A&E “Bastards” and “sons of whores”, basically saying they would no longer watch the show (Which begs the question why they took the time to write such a long letter instead of, you know, JUST STOP WATCHING!)
I’ve seen JMo’s comments about Neal be called a “character assassination”. However, JMo hasn’t really said anything beyond Emma felt betrayed by Neal too many times therefore wouldn’t have been in a romantic relationship with him. She didn’t criticise Neal as a character.
The bad apples of the SF fandom are giving the decent SFers a bad name.
All magic comes with a price!
Keeper of FelixI really don’t see what JMo said as being offensive at all. She stated the truth. That Neal has indeed hurt her one too many times and because of that, regardless of the fact that Emma and Neal have a kid together, she could never let Neal back into her life romantically. This isn’t difficult rocket science logic. I see this storyline even on my soap operas.
That is very funny @Price for a SF to write a long letter about he/she is going to stop watching. And to write what I can only envision as a long sermon or sorts. That doesn’t need to be announced. You can just stop watching.
I really applaud Jen for what she says during these interviews, usually because her remarks tend to be spot on in general. I’ve seen actors portray characters and they don’t understand their characters at all (Hallie Berry ie. Catwoman). I really appreciate that about Jennifer and all the cast actually. And I like hearing the actor’s insight into what they think is going on with their characters. Often times, what the actor says will be more interesting and insightful things than the director or someone else.
Unless the writer is Jane Espenson. I love her tweets.
Yeah, so I think this needs to be posted as a (not so) gentle reminder.
http://ladyhacksaway.tumblr.com/
Ok, I finally got a chance to watch the interview Jen Morrison gave. IMO, there was absolutely NOTHING in that interview that should incite the ridiculousness that some “fans” are stirring up. She didn’t even necessarily say she agreed with the way the storyline went, she simply said this is what the writers were up against, and what their decision was. (Do I agree? No, I still think they should’ve done a true redemption arc, have Emma make a choice, and then – thanks septic “fans”, cause I didn’t think this before, but I sure do now – then kill him off.)
I also saw that “letter to the writers”. I’m not even going to give that one a minute’s worth my time or energy because I think that’s pretty much the epitome of childish.
You know what I think it the most hilarious about these loud, immature fans? The fact that they are their own worst enemy. How many shows have I started watching, or movies I checked out, not because it looked interesting before the premiere, but because of the hoopla it drummed up? More than a few. So the more they threaten to stop watching and therefore force the show to be cancelled and blah blah blah, the more free press they give the show!
The opposite of love is not hate. It’s apathy. When you hate a person, for example, you are still actively involving yourself with that person. You may be trying to get that person to do something negative or react to whatever you’re saying or doing, but when you hate you are still full of negative, septic emotion for that person. However, when you become apathetic to someone? When you show nothing they do or say is going to bother you? You remove yourself from the situation and, by extension, rid yourself of an enormous amount of negativity – and make far more of an impact on that person. Why hate and allow that negativity into your life, when you can let go? Why waste your time? The same applies to fandoms – don’t waste your time and energy with hate. You just make yourself look foolish and trite, and in your attempt to get others to agree, your followers simply commiserate with you and people on the fringes of the situation just become intrigued and want to check out what you’re griping about for themselves.
Long time no write! Sorry this is going to be super long. I haven’t written in awhile because I keep deleting my rants while this fandom drives me insane but I couldn’t keep quiet about this. *cookies in advance* I love you guys (even the non-CS lurkers) but I’m seriously upset right now and tired of biting my tongue. (Feel free to skip I know it’s super long – sorry *writes & then goes back to tumblr cave*)
This is beyond maddening. JMO has been COMPLETELY CONSISTENT since way back in early S2. In fact, the interviews after Manhattan especially are EXTREMELY telling. She specifically said that Emma wanted him in Henry’s life at that point but that she didn’t want to get back together with him.
It is her JOB to know her character and their mindset. She has to know what her character is feeling and going through, ESPECIALLY for complex emotional things like running into the ex / father of your son who left you in jail.
I think people confuse complex emotions with whatever their headcanon is. Of COURSE Emma has a lot of feelings about things with Neal. It’s the jealous/non-jealous nonsense all over again, but those complex emotions are there and they have to be. It doesn’t mean she ever would have gone back to him.
Also, again way back in S2 long before they decided to kill him off in S3, JMO was saying that Neal betrayed Emma MULTIPLE TIMES, it’s not JUST the jail thing. She “understands” what happened now and found a way to move past it like she has with understanding that Snow & Charming gave her up as a kid but just like knowing that doesn’t erase 28 years of feeling like an orphan, knowing why Neal left her behind doesn’t erase the decade of complete torture she went through.
I feel like a lot of SF people have a similar type of relationship to this but with A&E. That love & absolute trust went out the window and will NEVER be the same no matter what happens. Even if they stick around and watch and try to find some things to love, it won’t be the way it was and they’ll always be leery and untrusting of EVERYTHING. This is EXACTLY what Emma went through and that is NOT GOOD in a romantic relationship.
Could they have fixed it? Maybe. They did a good job on OUATIW of fixing a relationship that caused a lot of pain & grief (and in a very short time too!), but they didn’t go that route here & never intended to.
They ALWAYS (their word) wanted Hook. They mentioned it constantly about having wanted him in S1. They “tested” him and it worked and their audio commentaries even from S2 were just so thankful that it DID work because that’s the story they had in mind ALL ALONG and were thankful they got to go that route. They upped him to regular before his episodes even aired because this was their plan all along.
As I’ve said before (I think), there was a lot of time between Tallahassee and Manhattan. The key was what the relationship looked like when Emma and Neal were reunited and that episode? Was all about how they might not be meant for anything other than to be Henry’s parents, and paralleled blatantly to Milah/Rumple. I don’t see how it’s possible to miss the very very very obvious parallels in that episode which was long after they saw that Hook worked into their plans perfectly for 2×04-2×06 & went forward with that relationship like they always wanted to. If he hadn’t met their standards? THEN they might have not made him a regular and gone to a backup plan like finding a way to make Neal more forgivable (and it was NEVER just the jail thing) but he didn’t come looking for her when he could have. SO SO different from every other TL couple we have that would go to the ends of the earth (or time) to get to the one they love no matter HOW long it takes them or WHAT they have to give up. “What’s 28 years when you have eternal love?” anyone?
It doesn’t mean he’s a bad guy and I was rooting for him to find happiness elsewhere, but that level of trust was absolutely shattered. On top of that, he repeatedly chose Tamara over her which clearly did affect her because she was hurt that he found Tallahassee with someone else. And on principle, MOST people would be hurt. I COMPLETELY understand this as I can think of a personal example that hurts me on the principle of the matter and I’d be upset & confrontational if given the opportunity but would never want that person in my life. It doesn’t mean she’s IN LOVE just because she’s upset.
(So tired of seeing people saying she was jealous of Tamara but not of Tink. It’s PERFECTLY LOGICAL that she was upset with the idea of Tamara, especially after finding out that he could have come back for her and didn’t. It SUCKS that a lot of their convos have been offscreen but I know JMO has mentioned it as something she knows and that there was definitely more than one betrayal so people need to just STOP calling JMO a liar. Just because you don’t consider something a betrayal doesn’t mean that the person EMMA is would see it that way).
I liked the idea pre-S2. After 2×01 I kept expecting him to show up in SB to fight to get her back, I really did. I was expecting a man to enter town and go to the diner & order pumpkin pie while Emma was in the EF. It could have happened – it didn’t. He CHOSE not to go after her. He CHOSE to pursue a relationship with Tamara instead of going to find her when she was close to breaking the curse and he knew that!
Repeat after me: IT IS NOT CHARACTER ASSASSINATION to learn new information about the past that change things we thought we knew. Just because we come up with what we THINK might have happened in the past doesn’t make us all-knowing. THE STORY IS NOT, NOR HAS EVER BEEN, LINEAR. Are some things added here & there that weren’t fully fleshed out before? Sure. But some things have been pretty consistent and again, Neal choosing not to come find her happened before we saw Hook enter the picture AT ALL.
We learn new things EVERY EP about things the characters did in the past. THESE CHARACTERS ARE NOT SAINTS. They’ve all done some pretty questionable things in the past, Emma included. NOBODY should be on a pedestal! Yet that’s one of the constant complaints I keep seeing that NealFire’s character was destroyed for CS. No, it was there all along. These things HAPPENED. We saw he was supposed to get the postcard, he got the postcard, he DID NOT SHOW UP and guess what – those things happened BEFORE Tallahassee and BEFORE they knew that Hook would work the way they wanted him to and made him 100% the route they were going for the love interest. If he hadn’t worked out for them and they had to change course because of that, the SF reunion would have been different in Manhattan yes, but it WOULD NOT ERASE the fact that he CHOSE NOT TO COME AFTER HER.
I don’t hate the guy, I really don’t. I just get where SHE is coming from with it being too much to repair it and have it be what SHE needs (and it is JMO’s JOB to know what Emma is feeling in order to play it. She has to know if she’s just upset or if she wants him back & she’s been consistent about that in and around placating fans saying tune in and see, she’s been very very Hook is doing these positive things…and Neal is Henry’s dad. That hasn’t changed one iota except now she gets to be more blatant about it, like she was RIGHT AFTER MANHATTAN). It hurts to watch anybody be hurt and he clearly was, but her actions have always been consistent with not wanting to hurt anyone, and feeling bittersweet about the whole thing with him because of circumstances basically out of their hands, but not wanting to go back. It’s not like we ever even saw her apologize for not showing up & she certainly didn’t bother when saying an awkward goodbye to him in 3×11, while Hook got the romantic goodbye that was far more hopeful.
Believe me they could have gone that route, and had her finally forgive & forget (though I feel it would have been way OOC but that’s beside the point because they COULD have turned it around and missed a lot of very obvious opportunities that would make me think they going to) and it would have made the stakes even HIGHER and the emotional impact THAT MUCH MORE on his sudden death. But they didn’t. She has CONSISTENTLY been able to move forward and start to let someone in when he’s not around making her feel bad for wanting that. She doesn’t want to hurt him. She knows now that he did love her which is what she thought which is why she was so confused for so long and afraid to trust anyone, which is basically what Tallahassee was ALL ABOUT.
We’ve seen how the others have dealt with losing their loves and how it destroys them, but she’s more in control now than ever. She’s upset and it hurts to have lost him, but she lost him a LONG TIME AGO. She’s dealt with the decade of misery. She’s free of that now. She has answers, she has closure, and she was ALREADY MOVING TOWARD KILLIAN and that finally culminated at the end of 3B but she has been moving toward that for a long time. It’s not “too soon” – Emma has been MISERABLE for basically her entire life minus a couple of months with a fellow thief over a decade ago. Seriously. I see so many people right now who want her miserable and unhappy and alone and it makes me really really sad. They want the old Emma back? The one who wasn’t happy? Just because HER happiness isn’t what THEY would have chosen? I love early Emma too! S1 Emma was especially awesome but I’m thrilled that she finally is accepting that she has people who love her and are in her corner, and she can more openly express that she does want romantic love in her life, that she wants more than just her & Henry and she’s letting herself FINALLY trust Hook which is what she ALWAYS WANTED TO DO way back on that beanstalk before any of us had a chance to fall in love with him. THAT WAS THE ENTIRE POINT of her being upset when she cuffed him and left him behind.
Her line at the end of Tallahassee was everything. Because that episode worked, they knew CS would work and got their wish to go with that. I’m sorry if her comments have consistently been “Hook is being supportive and helpful and he’s really surprising her oh and Neal is Henry’s dad” but she HAS BEEN CONSISTENT. She couldn’t outright tell us everything going on and she definitely became way more diplomatic after the fiasco that was the Manhattan fallout with everyone dividing and choosing sides and turning this fandom into a ridiculous train wreck that lends itself to attacking actors for DOING THEIR JOBS but this is absurd.
She’s being HONEST and giving a straight answer that she has been CONSISTENT with. Seriously, go back and look at the Manhattan interviews. Go back and look at PaleyFest where it was *play coy and cute and smile and blush about CS while wondering when Charming is going to punch Neal in the face*
Actors have to know their characters mindsets. It’s why JMO got to know who Henry’s father was first because it was something her character would know. It’s why I’m sure 90% of Colin’s script directions are “gaze longingly/lovingly at Emma.” It’s why MRJ said that Emma was the love of Neal’s life and that’s how he feels. THEY HAVE TO KNOW THEIR OWN CHARACTERS AND WHAT THOUGHTS ARE IN THEIR HEADS SO THEY KNOW HOW TO PLAY THE PARTS. (Funny how MRJ’s is taken as the gospel truth but anything anyone else says must be a lie. His was as accurate as everyone else’s. Emma was basically the love of Neal’s – and pretty much Graham’s too – but that doesn’t mean that’s who SHE ends up with. How many times have we heard couples referred to – never proven but referred to – as the true love of someone and then they died. We’ d have like…no ships if they all just wither into depths of despair. We wouldn’t have CS, or OQ and that would just be depressing, that’s for sure. I love that this show sends the message that just because you love deeply and truly have that connection early on in life, that you don’t *necessarily* have to be alone and miserable forever. The idea that while that loss is unimaginable, and some will choose to never move forward, it’s not the end of the world if you choose to move on and find someone else, especially someone who understands that pain as well. They’ll always be a part of them. It doesn’t diminish Regina’s love for Daniel or Hook’s love for Milah or Emma’s love of Neal from before just because they’re gone. But it doesn’t mean they have to be miserable either. (And I will never get over the hypocrisy of wanting Regina to have love but Emma better stay single. Really? Hasn’t she suffered enough without having done a fraction of the bad things Regina has? – And again I am really rooting for Regina and OQ, I love them I do!)
So to see the Manhattan interviews where JMO is blatantly saying that Emma wants him in Henry’s life but doesn’t want to go back to him, I don’t see how any of this is actually a surprise at this point? EVERYTHING they have told us all along has supported that THIS was the story they wanted to tell. CaptainSwan is THEIR love story. It parallels the things from some of their favorite stories. Hook “Han Solo’d back” long before they decided to kill Neal in the first place. They wanted Hook from the beginning. It is absolutely IMPOSSIBLE to say it was fanservice when the fans hadn’t seen the episodes yet! The WRITERS OF THE EPISODE were tweeting encouraging things about shipping Hook & Emma during the airing of Tallahassee. Like, this isn’t new?
I know how painful it is when things don’t go your way. Some shows do change things overtime because their initial ideas didn’t work out the way they hoped it would or something organically changed along the way and made sense from a storytelling perspective. It HURTS when you think it’s so perfect and you don’t understand why they don’t go there! But in this particular case that stuff has been there ALL ALONG.
I’m seriously just so sick of this. It’s an insult to the actors that they’re not allowed to be honest & clarify things. It’s not their fault if people misinterpret having some feelings about something to be “they’re desperately in love with them and have to get back together” when all the other clues have been pointing elsewhere. It’s been in the parallels and the dialogue and everything along the way. It has, I promise. We haven’t been making things up out of thin air this whole time.
It just really bugs me that people argue that Bae was in the show all along so clearly it’s all about him. He was a key player and will always be a part of all the others but it’s not the Emma & Neal show. It was never the Emma & Neal show. He was a vital piece of the puzzle for Henry to exist and bring her to town. But appearing in S1 does not make him the end all be all, especially when wayyy back in S1 they were constantly talking about wanting Hook to be there the ENTIRE TIME. Like, if he had been around would people have accepted it more? I don’t know how much more obvious it can get that they really wanted that always, especially when people don’t bother listening to what they say or believing them.
It’s frustrating for me as a writer as well. I’ll have to steer clear of the internet once I publish I guess because I can’t even begin to fathom the hate. Criticism is fine but telling people the things I’ve seen Adam get sent over a story is absurd. Fans can take whatever they want out of something and make it theirs and say it meant this that or the other but if the person behind it spells something out, I don’t see how you can just dismiss it. Maybe that’s just a skill I haven’t picked up on. I tend to follow canon pretty closely on things and sometimes I don’t love it so much but accept it and move on.
No wonder so many actors end up leaving twitter. JMO is such a positive person who tries to ignore the hate in the world and she gets bashed for being honest about how her character feels? She’s been honest the entire time & people just refuse to believe her! They refuse to believe A&E about anything and on some level I get that but it’s the actors JOBS to know what their character is going through. Such a slap in the face to say that they didn’t do their job right, especially when Emma OBVIOUSLY has to have SOME emotion in regards to Neal. I feel like her actions all along were pretty telling that she didn’t want to go back and it was holding her back, and alllll of S3 was about her wanting to MOVE ON and not show up for the date that she seemed uncomfortable hearing about in the first place etc, but clearly all of her interviews along the way that again, were CONSISTENT, must have been wrong, right?
It’s like the fiasco with the pre-S3 special that aired. Oh A&E didn’t REALLY mean that Neal moved on and loved someone else. Nope, things changed since then! They’re lying, they didn’t REALLY mean that! True Love starts with clocking someone over the face? You mean a blatant Snow/Emma parallel? Nope, that’s garbage, they don’t know what they’re talking about! *headdesk*
I’m beyond frustrated at this point. I’ve managed to avoid a lot of the fandom for awhile and felt much better about it but it seems to just be spiralling out of control at this point. The CONSTANT complaining will never go away and sadly just ruins the enjoyment of others. There are ships I will never get over losing so I get it, but there are some extreme fans that I don’t know why they’re still watching or writing hate-filled letters at this point because if you look back at everything, it’s been there. There was always a mild chance maybe that they changed their minds and made everything OOC and turned it on its head but that’s not what happened. Seriously, if Emma ran off with Gepetto out of the blue, THEN I’d say something was massively wrong & OOC etc, but everything has made PERFECT SENSE as far as her reactions and handling of her love life.
They have ALWAYS SAID that Emma needs someone who is persistent. He doesn’t push. He lets her know he has feelings for her (which frankly she needs to hear) but she’s like her mother – actions speak louder than words. He (& Charming) can make all the grand love declarations they want but it’s their actions that convince their ladies of their feelings.
It’s why it bugs me so much that people dismiss Hook giving up his ship. It was literally everything he had and it was nothing for him to give it up to get back to her. He was never even going to TELL her about it but she wanted to know how he got to her and was in AWE that he did that. It was the final piece of the puzzle showing her irrefutably that he was IN this and everything he’s ever said was true. Yes things were proven to an extent with the echo caves, and he’s been there for her many times since then, but she was still putting her walls up and pushing him away. She wasn’t REJECTING him, she had WALLS and as someone with trust issues galore, that makes TOTAL SENSE.
There is a HUGE difference between saying never going to happen, and testing limits. People will walls need to be PROVEN to that they’re not going to be abandoned again. Emma, especially in 3B after the Walsh fiasco which was the first real relationship she had after the Neal drama from the past, had major abandonment issues and was pushing everyone away. She didn’t want to be near her family and friends in SB because it was easier to run back to NY to that perfect little life where bad things didn’t happen. She pushed EVERYONE away but it doesn’t mean she doesn’t CARE about them. That scene with Killian was so touching because he was mentioning her family and everyone else but the obvious subtext was his hoping that she included him in that group of people she cares about and her response was obvious that she cares about him too, but was still wanting to run because if she runs first, it’s on her.
It’s so much easier to blame yourself than open yourself up to someone else hurting you, especially after so much hurt & abandonment. She has been through SO MUCH it makes total sense. I know people seem to think he’s just a puppy dog but they’re actually a really good team and he isn’t afraid to call her out on it when she’s just pushing away for pushing’s sake. He’s not FORCING her to do anything. But being there for her and being supportive of her and yes, even calling her out when she’s being stupid and just pushing everyone away, that’s GOOD for her. She NEEDS that. At the first sign of trouble, in this case the Zelena lips curse thing, she took advantage of it and tried to shut him out. You know what happened after that?
She saved his life. Let me repeat: she let (and helped in a tragic way) Neal die so that they could find out who the witch was so they could defeat her & save everyone. What they found out was that light magic was the way to defeat her so Emma was key (or so they thought but Emma DEFINITELY thought this at this point in time), that in order to save her actual EXISTENCE as well as everyone else she cares about, she needed to keep her magic. She pushed Hook away after learning that if she had kissed him she would have LOST her magic that she has to have and used it as an excuse to be able to walk away from him easier. And then what happened? Oh yeah, she sacrificed ALL OF THAT to save his life.
If that doesn’t say everything RIGHT THERE I don’t know what does. Truly. She let Neal die for the greater good but KNOWING she needed her magic and KNOWING she would lose it, she didn’t let Killian die. Instead she BLATANTLY paralleled to MM begging David “Come back to me” because she COULD NOT LOSE HIM.
I’m just so far beyond fed up with this fandom. I’m sorry canon isn’t what you thought it would be but attacking the writers and actors and other fans like it’s our fault is just absurd. If you look hard enough at anything you can find something to hate and I feel like even non-shipper parts of the show have now been put under a microscope to the degree that NOTHING is allowed to be enjoyed or talked about now. It’s so frustrating for a show and love and hope to see this negativity. I don’t know how JMO puts up with so much of it being such a positive person but I’m 100% sure she’s getting a TON of hate right now for being completely honest and saying the same things she’s always said. It’s just really painful to see.
Looking forward to more interviews where they can actually ENJOY the couple they wanted from the beginning, and that the actors can stop having to be diplomatic about everything but they shouldn’t have to walk on eggshells. There is NO reason for anybody to have to apologize for not wanting to be with someone. NONE. Emma has PLENTY of legit, plausible reasons for not wanting to go back to him. I’m sorry people didn’t pick up on all of those along the way or buy into them, but the acting was there the whole time. It was just read in multiple ways and that’s on us as fans, not the actors when clearly they have to deal with multiple emotions in a situation like that.
I will say this though – I am sick and tired of this fandom putting Emma on a pedestal. She was a thief as a teen, got pregnant, ended up in jail, had a lot of one-night-stands in the last decade, and was a bounty hunter. We were INTRODUCED to her as someone who slammed a guy’s head into a steering wheel. She’s always threatening to punch people. We saw her shove Graham away after he kissed her EVEN THOUGH SHE LIKED HIM because what he did was out of line. Yet people complain about HER kissing Hook? He always lets her come to him, he doesn’t force ANYTHING.
Repeat after me: he is a pirate …..WITH A CODE. He’s super charming on top of that (to some of us at least) and probably doesn’t have to work too hard to get his one-night-stands. That’s clearly how he was dealing with his life post-Milah and during his revenge. Nobody MATTERED to him and he was focused on avenging her death, but that’s EXACTLY how Emma went about life as well. She is not a saint! We love her, but she’s not.
So let’s recap this fandom:
- Regina raped Graham for 28 years – she MUST have her TL & how dare anyone get in the way of it (I love Regina now and OQ is right up there under CS for me but go with it)
- Neal is a few years older than Emma who was a TEENAGER when he got her pregnant and left her in jail (this is statutory rape)
- Hook is a pirate – who talks women into his bed / his crew buys them for him but he’s a pirate so clearly he must be raping people?
Seriously I don’t get this logic. How is it SO FORGIVABLE for anyone not named Hook? They’re all well-loved by someone and we’ve learned to get past this that and the other or nobody on this show deserves a love life at all and they should all be locked up and we’d have no show. But from everything that has actually been SHOWN , we have absolutely ZERO REASON to believe that he has ever had to force himself on anyone, nor would he.
He always lets Emma come to him. If she wants to get away from him, she can. We’ve seen her shove people and make it clear she wants them gone IN THAT MOMENT even if she DOES have some feelings for them. We’ve seen her walk away from Hook before. Even after her hurtful comments to him, he STILL showed up to help her family try and protect “the little royal” and be of use, even as essentially bait. Trust me, if Emma REALLY wanted him gone, she could have shut it all down. All of it.
She was huffy and hurt and putting up walls and pushing him away. SHE’S ALLOWED TO BE UPSET SOMETIMES. But he reads her like an OPEN BOOK and he knows what she’s doing and he calls her out on it. AND SHE SAVED HIS LIFE AND BEGGED HIM TO COME BACK TO HER. TO HER. Yeah she realllllly really wanted him gone so much that she couldn’t let him die for the greater good. Makes perfect sense.
Look if he were HALF the things this fandom has called him especially lately, there’s no way I’d like him AT ALL. I don’t care how good he looks in leather if he’s a horrible person who is doing all the things this fandom says he does. He treats EVERYONE EQUALLY. He doesn’t care who gets in his way, male or female. So he clearly must hate women. Um, okay…no. He respects them. He made Milah basically his second in command and deferred to her. That’s like…a huge no-no on ships. Women are considered bad luck.
He defers to Emma and compliments her plans ALL THE TIME. He has been shown a gazillion times to be supportive and believe in her completely and encourage her to be the BEST VERSION OF HERSELF and this is somehow a crime?
I’m so sick of seeing the hateful trends about OnceUponAHook. Seriously? It’s an ensemble show. There are multiple characters. One could argue that Emma is one of the most central characters of this ensemble which yes, means that her love interest is an INTEGRAL PART OF THINGS, especially on a show about finding TL, but that doesn’t mean that he’s the main character now at all!
It’s like I’ve always said this isn’t Once Upon a Snow White too. Yes she’s super important but it’s not all about her. It’s not all about any 1 character or ship. There are a LOT of stories going on. One could argue it’s mostly about 1 ginormous dysfunctional family but that’s about it.
Has he gotten multiple centrics yes, but that’s because it was important to what was going on at the time. How many Snowing ones have we had? So going back to Emma’s love interest being a big thing, it makes sense we’ve seen more of him. But the show isn’t all about him, and just because he often appears WITH THE GROUP like he should, he doesn’t always even get to speak! He’s seen with them because that’s where he BELONGS.
There are lots of characters I want to see more of. I’m a fan of them too! Just because I defend CS so much doesn’t mean I don’t love Snowing or RumBelle or OutlawQueen! I want more of Robin’s story! I want more Belle! But sometimes quality > quantity. It’s like saying that Hook stood in the background but was seen so clearly he’s more important, while Belle shows up and makes massive discoveries that unlock huge things that move the plot forward. THEY’RE SUPER IMPORTANT. ALL OF THEM. EVERY LAST PIECE OF THE PUZZLE.
It just really frustrates me as a writer and I know Adam has had some great comebacks to things with regards to how much screen time characters get especially. Some of the most remembered / important / well-loved characters really aren’t in their stories all that much.
Heck, Sleeping Beauty had 18 lines in HER OWN MOVIE. It may have been called Sleeping Beauty but I swear it was mostly about the fairies. Adam used the Star Wars reference saying that Darth Vader only had 11 minutes (?) of screentime but goodness knows he’s a big deal. Going along that same line, in Frozen everyone loves Olaf and quotes him tons and adores him (and seriously how can you not???) and he appears all of 11 minutes I think too.
Guess I had a lot more to say than I thought but that’s what I get for not stopping in more often. I’ve been doing other things to avoid the ridiculousness of OUAT (the OUAT hiatus blues are the worst!) and have been happier for it mostly. Binging other things to keep my mind off it but certain things really hit my buttons and seeing her get so much hate for it when it’s really nothing new set me off so thought I’d add my (rather long – sorry) 2 cents.
*cookies for everyone* I love all of you I really do (even those lurking who hate this ship and I know they exist though I can’t fathom leaving my safety bubble at this point so more power to you if you manage it), but this fandom simultaneously makes me want to hug it for the wonderful people and throw something at it for the ridiculous levels it has gotten to. Comparing Hook to every horrible person ever and calling him things he actually in canon is not is not helpful to ANY of those causes and only causes more problems. There are no damsels in distress on this show & she is not a porcelain doll. She has to do what is right FOR HER and yes, sometimes good people get hurt in the process but if someone isn’t right for them, then it’s not right.
Be upset! Be bitter! Be angry! But don’t call things things that they aren’t! If he were half the things I’ve heard him called he would NOT be loved like he is. The only one who has actually done things to the extent and above & beyond what he actually has done is Regina but there’s a double standard since she’s a woman so it’s “female empowerment” somehow, while Hook letting Emma come to him and letting HER initiate kisses etc is somehow him forcing himself on her. I will never understand. (And it’s not mind games and it is SUCH a slap in the face to her character and the writers and the actors who completely understand what this relationship is and that people are reading into it what they want to. Not to mention a HUGE slap in the face to other fans who find something good in it and don’t see it that way AT ALL and have been backed up with them saying we’re seeing it the way they wanted us to. That will never be true for everyone and it hurts to be wrong & “lose” and we have all been there but I have never seen anything this vicious and absurd to the point of hating on the actors for being honest & calling them and the writers horrible things because of it. You don’t have to like something to be respectful of the people doing their jobs and respect that they have feelings too & that the story just didn’t go your way. The hate in this fandom is getting to obscene levels and rising. It’ll be a miracle if the actors don’t all just disappear from twitter and stop doing interviews. Let them do their jobs and stop hating them for it!
I’ll take honesty & answers & spelling things out and seeing it all make sense with everything along the way than burying my head in the sand every day and complaining to people and calling them horrible things because they didn’t do what *I* wanted them to. Can’t please everyone. It’s impossible. But the fact that being honest and outright saying this won’t happen or that was never going to happen and what have you is now apparently a crime deserving of hate & vitriol? This is just sickening.
It’s so weird too because JMO tends to get a lot of the hate for this that and the other not happening. I don’t see Lana getting hate (too much) for being honest that OQ is happening and that SQ won’t be happening, but JMO gets BLASTED for saying that Emma doesn’t have a lion tattoo – and now this? I know people are hurting but wow, just…wow. She’s been consistent and forthcoming with where Emma’s head is in all of this and the complex emotions she’s been dealing with but heaven forbid she be nice about Killian (her actual present day canon love interest) or be honest about Neal or Regina for that matter. Why does the most positive person get dumped on so much? I WISH I could be as positive as she is and block out all the bad stuff and focus on positive energy. It makes it all the more tragic that she gets dumped on for everything. Actors are people too and they have feelings! Ugh, this fandom – I love you & loathe you all at once. I just want to ENJOY the show in peace! Not be told how everything is so awful. Makes me wish I could have watched something like this long before the internet had its say. *shakes head*
Keeper of Hook's Trenchcoat.
Simply put, the writer of that crass, vulgar and foul *letter* that was posted in its entirety (but significantly/hypocritically NOT edited for *language*) on another thread, could stand some professional help. Moronic ignorance is so rampant now in that faction of the fandom that they are an unbalanced, pathetic and borderline dangerous problem. Worthy of being noted and flagged.
Neal fans who support that kind of ranting and ugliness, are, by association, equally as classless, graceless and foul.
***Always in search of a good flock***
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