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Thank you How long has this thread been around?
Awhile, Lol. We crossed the 1,000 page threshold a long while ago. But I’m glad you found us 🙂
Jen will be attending Oz Con (an Aussie Comic Convention) at the beginning of July (4 & 5th, I believe). And Fairy Tales II is in a week!! This month is going to go by so fast and before we know, it’s July and Comic Con and filming will start for season four 🙂
[adrotate group="5"]Guys lets be honest here it was pretty clear that Hook would be a love interest for Emma i knew it from the first moment Hook appeared . And it was obvious that Neal wouldn’t be the one for the present Emma. I just can’t understand why people thought it would be otherwise it was obvious
@ilayda Its hard to argue with people once they’ve made up their minds. Shipper goggles come on and tend to stay on.
@Leny Sol *waves* Hi new person 🙂
@callmeLola yeah you have a point but fans should respect more to the choices of the writers. After all it was nothing like HIMYM finale
@ilayda, that’s actually an excellent distinction! I hadn’t even watched HIMYM in a couple of years but I tuned in for the finale. I could NOT believe the ending. I think they were trying to make everyone happy but doing that was a real cop out. If they wanted to end it that way, there should’ve been a little buildup but the closer they got to the finale, the more it seemed it wasn’t going to end that way.
I think we can trust A&E not to pull something like that. Like you said, there’s been clues galore since scene 1 with Emma & Hook….AND Emma & Neal.
On tumblr someone was taking a random poll (I think we did one here last hiatus!) asking how old CSers were…I think we skewed mid-20s to mid-30s, which was the same on this thread. I think that says something. I’m guessing CS is made up more of people who have been burned romantically once or twice, and have had to go through the struggle of healing from that and moving on.
I suspect (and this is based on zero science) SF is more comprised of people who are younger and haven’t been through the heartbreak, or people who covet that mom & dad married, raising their child together ideal.
Neither group is bad (except of course the loud septic ones every ship has) but I think when it comes to shipping, people’s own live experiences play a big part in it, and that’s probably why people become so passionate about their ship. I know I had my own ‘Neal’ when I was younger – someone who really wasn’t a bad guy, but couldn’t make a decision to save his life (cough *allowing Emma to go to jail* cough), and I was usually the one negatively affected when he did ‘step up’. And the “I never believed in your ‘superpower'” remark in S2…that one still grates because I could totally hear my ex putting me down (because really, that’s exactly what Neal did there) like that. And it took me a really long time to get over it and learn the lessons the experience presented, so as much as I don’t think there’s anything really bad about Neal, it would take a LOT of showing him work to earn Emma’s love and respect back before I could really get behind the ship, had they gone that route.
Okay, this might be a bit rambly, and not sure if anyone has noticed/mentioned this before, but (imho) the proof of Captain Swan in in the music. I hadn’t realised before until the other day rewatching Tallahassee, but the music of the Neverland kiss is playing under the scene when Emma leaves Hook chained up on the beanstalk. In particular the bit where she says she can’t take a chance she’s wrong about him. I’ve found this music used three times so far (there might be more, but I’ll have to keep and ear out on my further rewatches). First time I noticed it was in Good Form, during the kiss. And to me, that is a love theme if ever I’ve heard one. Second time was in The Tower during the “if it can be broken it means it still works” scene. And because I’d heard that music so prominently during the kiss my immediate thoughts in the Tower scene were ‘they’re going to kiss, they’re going to kiss they’re going to… oh Emma walked away” But now having heard it in Tallahassee, instead of thinking it of it as their ‘kissing’ theme I believe it’s their angst theme. Or at least the ‘not so sure of love’ theme.
The beanstalk, the kiss and ‘broken heart’ scene are pretty intense for Captain Swan. And to bring back that same music at all is signifcant. It gives CS a theme. Why re-use such a small piece of music (which is buried under their talking – that’s why I never noticed it before) if that scene wasn’t going to be imporatant to their relationship? A new bit of music could have been scored for the Neverland kiss, but they chose to reuse the same piece from their last scene where their emotions (of the fuzzy warm feeling variety) are very high. I cannot find a Swanfire theme. I’ll go back and rewatch, but nothing has caught my ear yet. I find that very telling. If there is a SF theme it’s not very noticable, which is the complete opposite of CS. Hence my belief that the writers aren’t lying (and why would they be since it’s their story) when they said that Hook was *always* going to be the love interest for Emma.
This one might be a stretch, but the music playing under the kiss at Granny’s (which is my favourite bit of music from this show ever) is very very very similar to what is named “True Love” on the second season soundtrack. (Which I also think is playing under the dream dance between Emma and Charming but it’s piano and not strings that time) It’s what you might call a variation on a theme. Both a quite slow, with a string solo. It took a couple listens to realise they weren’t exactly the same piece of music, but it’s close. I like the idea of it being a Variation on True Love since we seen Rumbelle being married to it and their love definitely never ran smooth (and currently being built on a lie), same with CS, R&R were about to get hit with a major obstacle. I know Snowing are shown in the same montage, but we’ve just had an hour’s worth of their love story being thrown into choas by Emma and Hook, so that is a definite variation from their original true love story.
If one is to engage with the primordial forces of darkness, one must expect a little social awkwardness
Hello @Leny Sol- Welcome to the thread 😀
@ellemo Also I never understood why we had birds chirping in the CS theme (although I liked it as it made the theme very organic & natural, which is how I see the whole CS story anyway)….. then it hit me, the dawn chorus- the 1st thing you hear as the sun rises, at the Very Beginning of the day.
So now the CS theme including bird song because it is the dawn of a new (likely as Epic as Snowing’s) natural TL story, makes perfect sense 😀 *gets the warm fuzzy’s thinking about it*
@ellemo Also I never understood why we had birds chirping in the CS theme (although I liked it as it made the theme very organic & natural, which is how I see the whole CS story anyway)….. then it hit me, the dawn chorus- the 1st thing you hear as the sun rises, at the Very Beginning of the day.
I’ve never noticed the birds chirping before. Now I’ll have to rewatch those episodes again. (What a hardship!) They’re not just chirping because those scenes are outside?
I’ve just found what I think is the CS theme in the Jolly Roger too, when Hook is emoting over his broken heart to Ariel/Zelena. So even though Emma isn’t physcially in the scene, she’s definitely the reason for it.If one is to engage with the primordial forces of darkness, one must expect a little social awkwardness
Just saw this- I wouldnt have said 3rd (but then I dont like Black Sails & havent watched Crossbones)
Pirate TV: Five current swashbuckling favorites
3. Captain Hook, Once Upon a Time (ABC)
ACTOR: Colin O’Donoghue
THE STORY: The legendary villain of J. M. Barrie’s classic Peter Pan, Hook is reimagined here as something of a hopeless romantic, with a rich backstory, a rather active love life and ongoing adventures with the fairy tale inhabitants of Storybrooke.
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