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I agree @surayya 🙂
[adrotate group="5"]Morning, Kindred Spirits!
(agree with you all that this is a very cool place to hang out for us:) )
Regarding Henry, he has to feel a bit saddened that his Moms now have a wedge between them when he worked so hard to get them together! His Mom(s) loving someone isn’t the problem. Hating someone has always been the problem to Henry. It’s very pre-teenish to just wish all the parental/family problems away to a time of less angst.
Henry has a crazzzzzy family all around. He’s got to be worn out emotionally. It is one thing to play fantasy war games on a hand held gamer, another to actually live one.
And then there are those lunatic teen-hormones coursing through his body.
Going to Grandpa (the one with the most powerful magic!) seems the right choice to make it all go away.
***Always in search of a good flock***
I just saw the RC and Emilie interview about Henry wanting his fake memories back I think Henry might actually be quite upset about Snowing naming their baby Neal because it is a constant reminder that his dad’s dead and, considering season 4 picks up right where season 3 left off, that pain and grief is still going to be quite fresh for Henry. Henry might not be against CaptainSwan per se, but I could see him feeling like he can’t talk to Emma about his dad because she’s now busy with her new relationship. I could also see Emma maybe using Henry as an excuse to try and keep Hook at an emotional distance when things start getting a little too real for her because of her walls.
As for CaptainSwan, even if their relationship is relatively smooth sailing in 4A, they’re still going to be better written than OutlawQueen were in 3B.
CS has had:
2 seasons worth of build-up
Actually shown why they might feel attracted to each other.
Actually shown Hook starting to redeem himself, overcoming his dark past (Making at least a civil truce with Rumple) and starting to make amends with those he has wronged (his apology to Belle and helping her research)
Actually shown Hook proving himself to Emma before she started taking a romantic interest in him.
Actually shown Hook taking an interest in trying to bond with Henry (Who is arguably the most important person in Emma’s life)OQ has had:
About 3 minutes in 1 episode to tell us Regina and Robin are soulmates because the pixie dust said so.
Had Robin take a romantic interest in Regina right from the off despite her reputation as the evil Queen without us being shown WHY.
Had Regina shoot Robin down in EF and show no interest in him whatsoever, even going so far as insulting him.
In Storybrooke, Regina is suddenly attracted to Robin without us being shown WHY.
In Storybrooke, Robin is still attracted to Regina despite being unable to remember the lost year thus his last memories of her should be as the Evil Queen. Again, we are not shown WHY.
Regina seems to have bonded with Roland (arguably the most important person in Robin’s life) yet Robin has made no attempt to bond with Henry (arguably the most important person in Regina’s life)
Regina’s happiness is all dependent on Robin’s love.OQ’s relationship is entirely built on “because the pixie dust said so”, CS’s relationship (and Snowing and RumBelle) are all built on showing WHY these two people have connected emotionally and romantically.
I can’t ship OutlawQueen because it is so contrived. There is absolutely no reason why Robin would’ve taken such an interest in Regina especially because of her reputation. It would’ve been much more interesting to see them both hate each other initially and then begin to connect. It would’ve explained why they were so drawn to each other in Storybrooke. The reveal that Regina killed Marian made OQ that much worse. Robin was literally dating his wife’s murderer.
Regina was such a hypocrite in Kansas with her “heroes don’t kill speech” because you just know, had it been HENRY that died, Regina would’ve been first in line to kill Zelena. Why didn’t they have Charming or Emma, one of the actual heroes, stop Rumple and give the line. Maybe then he might actually have calmed down a little because he wasn’t being patronised. Suddenly Regina can do LIGHT magic? Why couldn’t she do it in EF and save everyone the hassle of trying to cross worlds?
Regina was supposedly meant to struggle to open herself to love yet she seemed to manage it pretty darn well. Emma and Rumple have struggled to open themselves to love and are, in some respects, still struggling. Regina’s “struggle” on the other hand is running away when she sees Robin’s tattoo, then coming back and sleeping with him, happily giving him her heart to look after and confiding in him despite only knowing him for a short while. She then got angry because his beloved wife and mother of his child, who she murdered in the past, came back.
Considering Regina was supposedly Zelena’s main target, she came off quite lightly. She didn’t suffer anything other characters didn’t suffer:
She got thrown through the clock tower- so did Johanna in season 2
Zelena threatened to erase Regina from existence- Snow, Emma, Henry and baby Snowing’s existence was threatened too.Regina didn’t suffer anything at Zelena’s hands that other characters didn’t suffer. So why the hell was Regina offering Zelena second chances. What Regina “suffered” is miniscule compared to what RUMPLE suffered at Zelena’s hands yet Regina had the nerve to patronise him and tell him “heroes don’t kill”.
Between season 2 Hook and 3B Regina, I dislike 3B Regina more. Hook was never pretentious, patronising or hypocritical. He wasn’t a nice guy but at least he didn’t play the “poor me” routine like Regina did.
Apologies for the rant but 3B Regina annoyed me that much.
All magic comes with a price!
Keeper of FelixNo apologies needed for the rant 🙂 Regina has been all over the place.
Henry has to be doing a major ..what the holy heck…about his new uncle. Teens don’t “get” babies much anyway. Heh. Prince Neal is such an unimaginative name choice and robs the baby of a “baggageless” identity right from day one. One of the ” roll your eyes till they ache ” moments for A&E.
Just brain dead. And yes, it will be very weird for Emma and Henry to have that particular reminder around. Did I mention brains being dead anywhere? Ah, yes, I did.
But we can hope for a great nickname!
I am glad that Henry’s personality and issues may be addressed more and give him some meatier scenes. He has lost out resoundingly in the cute kid department with Roland stealing everyone’s heart now!
Ah yes, cuter than life Roland and his family matters~
Until/unless they besmirch Marian’s character and personality to the point of the viewers rooting for her demise, (or she turns out to be someone else in Marian’s body)I am very pro Robin-Marian. Mostly because of my long enduring love of the legend spawning from Errol Flynn and Olivia HaVilland to Hepburn and Connery with a little Russell Crowe and Cate Blanchett tossed in. It was a tad sacrilegious to go there in the finale but what choice do we have but to deal with it?
I was baffled by how they would get out of that drama then…And still am.
I love Regina’s evil streak and she and dark Rumple are huge reasons why I adore ONCE…but I agree PoM, the lightening speed of Robin and Regina was hard to take seriously. Hey, I am All for smoochie, sassy lust, and Regina could certainly use the hubba hubba in her life. But I didn’t feel too involved in the depth of the fairy dust inspired nookie. No genuine growth shown in comparison to all the other relationships, yup.
And I also agree that her struggle against her scenery chewing sister and the great white-light goodness she pontificated at the end had me echoing Rumple’s ” You can not be serious”
It was…odd.
***Always in search of a good flock***
Robin and Marian are supposed to be together. Even in other Robin Hood series, such as the BBC one, they killed off Marian, introduced another love interest for Robin (Played by the one who plays Anna Bates in Downton Abbey) then killed Robin off and had him reunite with Marian in death.
In OUAT, they killed off Marian, only to bring her back. Since they haven’t made Sean a regular, I wonder if they plan for Robin to stay with Marian. Crack theory: Robin has a secret twin brother who was actually the one the pixie dust landed on.
I am glad that Henry’s personality and issues may be addressed more and give him some meatier scenes. He has lost out resoundingly in the cute kid department with Roland stealing everyone’s heart now!
Henry’s at that age now where he’s no longer cute so for him to try and play cute would be just awful. I hope Henry gets some meatier scenes as well.
Roland is genuinely cute and adorable but the writers need to be careful with him that they don’t overdo it. A cute kid is lovely, a kid trying to be cute is annoying such as the little girl in the Grinch.
The only nickname I can think of for baby Neal is Charming Jr.
All magic comes with a price!
Keeper of FelixThe only nickname I can think of for baby Neal is Charming Jr.
C.J. (grin), Lucky Charms, Bae Light…depends on how irreverent you want to be!
***Always in search of a good flock***
I think they’ll give the baby a nickname of some sort — honestly, I think naming the baby Neal was a way to pay homage (*cough*placate*cough*) to Neal (which didn’t go over well…but A for effort).
I guess Henry could play the ‘upset he doesn’t have his mom’s attention’ role…but I guess I just really don’t see it. I think I could see Emma projecting that he would feel that way and reacting to the projection, but I don’t know that I see Henry actually feeling that way, the way he’s written. And I think Henry’s desire to bond with Rumple/get his old memories back as much more poignant and compelling if it has to do with Neal, not Emma/Regina and/or their romantic lives.
There is the theory around that Henry wasn’t impressed by Snowing calling the baby Neal, b/c in that scene he gets up quickly from the table and leaves. It was probably just a way to get Emma into the foreground shot though. But perhaps he was a little thingy about Prince Neal’s name, b/c it would be a constant reminder of a father he never really got to know. Perhaps he saw Emma and Hook pashing alfresco and got a bit thingy about that, b/c he wouldn’t really know how close Emma and Hook are and he may see it as too soon for Emma move on after his father’s death. Or perhaps maybe he’s changed his tune about magic (although to be honest I’m not entirely sure where he stands on it) and now sees it as pretty cool and wants to get in the family business that way, sneakily researching while helping Gold out at the pawn shop.
I’m hoping for a baby Neal nickname too. Lol @bo-peeps I love BaeLight 😀
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