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Any woman who is lip locking with the insidiously wretched mass murderer, wife killing, child deserting, power-loving, self-serving Dark One and calls someone ELSE rotten to the core while singing praises to the DO has got a few “pure heart” starburst and lollipop screws loose . Hello Belle!
For all her book smarts and devotion to Rumple, which are two admirable qualities, she can have seriously “dumb as a bag of hair” moments and be an enabling fool. Her fierceness of purpose can be applauded but she CAN be blinder-wearing thick.
RE: the necklace. At that point she was bonding with “Baelfire” and being enabling and sweet, not knowledgeable. Both of them were still in shock over Gold’s sacrifice. Touching moment for them but hardly the Ultimate TL truth.
(Very little truth as scripted or filmed is appealing to or is accepted by the St. NEAL Brigade. But devotion to delusion is paramount to their existence.)
Hook is a quite tormented soul, capable of vibrant passion. His demons lie deep within. He has acted a lot of his pain and anger out in really crappy ways, for which he must be accountable. That accountability is turned inward. Sign of a genuinely good core with self healing potential.
Belle was way off her maaaark.
The intriguing part of Belle’s and Rumple’s new partnership will be seeing how enabling and blinder-wearing Belle will remain.
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Abandonment isn’t Hook’s baggage/curse. Avenging loss and injustice are the weights on his brain and soul. When he has recognized his own injustices to others, he internalized it. Often it was hidden behind snark, rum soaking, bravado.
The “load bearing”walls are slowly tumbling down. For the multitude of ONCE characters who have the tendency to hide behind them.
I’ve never denied the rational feelings of Neal fans, their deep affection for him. Rational being the key word. He played out his part of the Rumple family history. That, as it played out in the writing of the creators, was his purpose. I think he and Emma summed up their relationship quite well in their final talk in the woods. THEY got it. NEAL will live on in Henry, As it should be
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I’m very glad to hear about your conversation with SF/Neal fans, Surayya. For the most part, I do think this site has more rational and moderate fans than others and I often enjoyed conversations with many posters, inclusive and exclusive of whatever ship they identify with. I did see a lot of backlash after Neal did (expected) but I did also feel it went on so long that it jeopardized my desire to converse anywhere outside this thread. It sounds like people are starting to become less aggressive and more rational again which I can appreciate and now hope it continues so I feel comfortable resuming chat conversations and debates in various threads like before.
I think a lot of people who identify – or are maybe lumped in with -SF are more pro-Neal/Henry’s relationship and focus less on the romantic relationship between Emma & Neal. And I have no problem with this. I understand being upset about Neal’s death in regard to how it affects Henry and Rumple’s stories because I agree there was more story to tell. But in regard to Emma, I defer to JMo herself – There was just too much baggage for Emma to ever trust Neal as a romantic partner again.
But in regard to Emma, I defer to JMo herself – There was just too much baggage for Emma to ever trust Neal as a romantic partner again.
I agree. I think an underlying theme for 3B has been starting over. I remember a line from 3B premiere, how Emma justified why she and Henry moved to New York:
A year ago, I was in Boston, until a fire destroyed my apartment and I moved to New York to have a fresh start with my son.
These are fake memories but I think that starting over and having a fresh start is something Emma’s always wanted. And the wording here, there was a “fire” that destroyed her apartment, her home. Teenage Emma really wanted a home, a chance to start over and be happy. Amnesia Emma wanted to move on and start fresh.
But that chance for a home was destroyed by a bad fire. Adult Baelfire, Neal. I think it was in the cards as far back at 3×06 that Emma needed Neal to die in order for her to find her own happiness. She wanted a chance to start over and find love again but could not really do that with Neal being there.
Any woman who is lip locking with the insidiously wretched mass murderer, wife killing, child deserting, power-loving, self-serving Dark One and calls someone ELSE rotten to the core while singing praises to the DO has got a few “pure heart” starburst and lollipop screws loose . Hello Belle!
For all her book smarts and devotion to Rumple, which are two admirable qualities, she can have seriously “dumb as a bag of hair” moments and be an enabling fool. Her fierceness of purpose can be applauded but she CAN be blinder-wearing thick.
RE: the necklace. At that point she was bonding with “Baelfire” and being enabling and sweet, not knowledgeable. Both of them were still in shock over Gold’s sacrifice. Touching moment for them but hardly the Ultimate TL truth.
(Very little truth as scripted or filmed is appealing to or is accepted by the St. NEAL Brigade. But devotion to delusion is paramount to their existence.)
Hook is a quite tormented soul, capable of vibrant passion. His demons lie deep within. He has acted a lot of his pain and anger out in really crappy ways, for which he must be accountable. That accountability is turned inward. Sign of a genuinely good core with self healing potential.
Belle was way off her maaaark.
The intriguing part of Belle’s and Rumple’s new partnership will be seeing how enabling and blinder-wearing Belle will remain.
I’m going to actually defend Belle on this.
The necklace- Belle was written to say that by whoever wrote that episode. Maybe that writer harboured SF feelings? Still, I don’t think it’s fair to blame Belle for that comment inciting SFers since it could’ve been written in a different way so that that it didn’t sound so definitive.
Also I don’t blame Belle for calling Hook “rotten to the core” at that point in time. Her experience of him had been him attempting to kill her in Regina’s cell, attempting to kill her in the library, he’d taken the one item that would enable Rumple to find Bae just to make Rumple suffer, he pointed a gun at her face. Belle has had a much more positive experience with Rumple in comparison to Hook so it’s understandable that she would side with Rumple over Hook who she only had negative experience with.
I also strongly disagree with that description of Rumple. You call Rumple an “insidiously wretched mass murderer, wife killing, child deserting, power-loving, self-serving Dark One”, I call season 2 Hook a Womanising, wife-stealing, homewrecking, child abandoning, self-serving pirate with a drinking problem who had an ongoing relationship with the floor. Neither Rumple nor Hook are saints so I think it’s unfair to describe Rumple in such a negative way whilst painting Hooking as a “quite tormented soul, capable of vibrant passion”. They’ve both done crappy things to people, sometimes to each other, but Hook’s actions shouldn’t be whitewashed just because he’s Hook, likewise Rumple’s actions shouldn’t be whitewashed because he’s Rumple. They have reasons for everything they do, whether they are justified or not in what they do is up to each individual viewer.
Also, we’ve only seen Rumple kill 5 people on screen, two of which were villains. Regina’s kill count is at least 10 times that amount that we’ve seen on-screen, it’s probably double that off-screen. Why is nobody giving Robin a hard time over dating a mass-murdering, husband killing, wife-killing, child killing, huntsman-raping, self absorbed, revenge driven evil Queen?
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Keeper of FelixOoh, lots of stuff here today! I’m glad to hear about your conversation with the rational SFers, Surraya. I’d actually quite like to have a more objective conversation about that kind of thing–I really do like to examine the thoughts and motivations on the other side of any issue on which I feel strongly, be it something relatively inconsequential like a TV show or an important political issue. Mostly I just see angry, crazy, rants on Tumblr, haha.
And re: the necklace…as far as I’m concerned that makes no sense. There was an awful lot of random stuff in Gold’s shop that came over from the first curse. Maybe all of that was born of true love as well and TL is actually common as dirt? Yeah, I don’t think so. And it just seems like another disconnect between Neal and Emma–he thinks it’s a symbol of their love while she said it was a reminder never to trust anyone.
I was going to say more in response to Bo-Peep’s and POM’s posts, but I think I’ll save that one for later to avoid another monster post. 🙂
@pom – I agree, neither Rumple and Hook are saints, but Belle does seem to have her blinkers on when it comes to Rumple. I totally agree she had reason to call Hook ‘rotten’, but in the next breath she calls Rumple’s heart ‘true’. And I would disagree with the ‘child abandoning’ accusation of Hook. Yeah, he handed Bae over to Pan, but what was he supposed to do? Bae wanted to leave. Was Hook supposed to hold him captive on his ship?
And absolutely not, Hook’s actions aren’t being whitewashed. (I don’t think tortured soul is a cast-iron excuse, as Rumple has had some horribleness in his past too) Hook has to work pretty hard at gaining the ‘good guys’ trust, Regina does too (although Snow is willing to forgive her a little more easily b/c I assume Snow knew Regina when she was good, and knows that side is in there somewhere). Hook wants to be a better person, but I’m not sure Rumple does. Case in point giving Belle a fake dagger.
In relation to people not being up in arms about Robin being with mass-murderer Regina, I think they are. There is that whole big thing about Regina killing Marion in the previous timeline and how on earth can Robin be with the woman who ‘killed’ his wife. But I guess he’s a little like Belle and is only seeing the good in her, since he hasn’t seen anything else. I assume in the EF Robin’s enemy was still the Sheriff of Nottingham, so the Evil Queen probably wasn’t on his radar much and only heard stories. And of course you shouldn’t believe rumour and gossip.
However you can probably blame Rumple for Regina since he groomed her to become proficient in Dark Magic, so Rumple is the over-riding baddie and Regina is a product of the DO’s evil. It’s all in the eye of the beholder.
If one is to engage with the primordial forces of darkness, one must expect a little social awkwardness
To each their own opinions and mine are just one woman’s. Not surprisely, my opinion of Belle still remains the same!
All the characters lines are written for them and they are defined by them. Yes, fans interpret, but it was very much in tune with what Belle often says.
Rumple,whom I oh-so-darkly adore , is who he is…a Dark, self-serving, power -obsessed wife killer, child deserter murderer.
Hook is a self-proclaimed womanizer and one if his most endearing relationships in the one he has with the floor! He is also all the things I mentioned.
And as I also mentioned, he has to be held accountable for his crappy actions.
It is how I see it. Still.
Regina wasn’t mentioned because, well, I wasn’t talking about Regina. (Grin) she is a basket case of darkness all on her own.
I have to say though that Hook’s ALS challenge is snort-worthy hilarious!
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I feel like we need some cs kisses to lighten the mood here
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