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Posting this here for you Stelio lol, since you think Neal’s death is a cheap way to develop CS.
From killians-tinkabelle:
I have said this a MILLION times and I feel like it has fallen on deaf ears. This “love triangle” Is not some recently soap opera-ish Stephanie Meyers OMG but I want them both love triangle . This a classic literature love triangle. A formula written and created as far back the 12th century. Probably further but I don’t want to show how nerdy I am.
What A & E are giving us are a non existent love triangle. 3 people involved but the leading female has an idea who she wants and has chosen WAY before the reader gets to the actual reveal. The 3rd male is usually a suitor who is just there either as a plot device, an other option or an old flame.
Romeo,Juliet, Paris: One of the original love triangles. Paris was just a plot device to increase the drama of the plot. Besides us knowing the title he was never meant for Juliet.
Tristan,Isuelt and Mark: The 12th century love triangle that proves love is a choice and the lengths we go for it. Isuelt stays with Tristan even after the love potion wears off because she loves him. She does everything to be with him and protect him. Mark may have been her husband but she went to great lengths to be with Tristan.
Angel,Tess and Alec: Alec was horrible to her. Destroys her. Tells her Angel will never return for her. Let me just say Angel was no saint either but Tess held onto that love for Angel after everything.
Elizabeth,Mr. Darcy and Wickham: Do I even need to explain this triangle? Talk about fancying a guy just to come and find out he is a douche and the guy you thought was a douche is really a hero. Does this all sound familiar? This is the most well known of nonexistent love triangles til today. We all love this story and Elizabeth and Darcy.
They all made the decision on who to love and when. The authors never really needed a death to make an easy option. That is a cop out. That would have been a cop out for the female character. Adam and Eddy are writing a classic tale not some teeny bopper story.
Death of a side of a triangle is not resolution. As a matter of fact it brings added guilt if the female has not made her choice known. People need to understand how writing really works and not how they think it works because media thought some really bad writing would them a few bucks.
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I love how in the Cave scene from Dark Hollow, instead of Emma asking Neal more information about the Hollow, she turned to Hook for that explanation. I mean, Neal’s lived in Neverland before and would know more information, but nope, she asked Hook to explain it to her.
And the pixie woods in 3×08 🙂 Perfect ship is perfect!
@zoeandnimo – honestly i think they had to make it known because it was leaking everywhere. I think we will find and/or figure it out for certain before it actually happens, but to be honest i’m still standing by Neal as my choice for this. He’s the more logical option in terms of the story. Nearly EVERYONE except SF shippers are saying this. No worries 🙂Keeper of Captain Swan's first kiss
obisgirl wrote: I love how in the Cave scene from Dark Hollow, instead of Emma asking Neal more information about the Hollow, she turned to Hook for that explanation. I mean, Neal’s lived in Neverland before and would know more information, but nope, she asked Hook to explain it to her.
And the pixie woods in 3×08
Perfect ship is perfect! @zoeandnimo – honestly i think they had to make it known because it was leaking everywhere. I think we will find and/or figure it out for certain before it actually happens, but to be honest i’m still standing by Neal as my choice for this. He’s the more logical option in terms of the story. Nearly EVERYONE except SF shippers are saying this. No worries Thanks – I’m sure you are right about the leaking. I don’t want to be worried and my choices are Neal or Belle. Belle was said to have some meaty scenes in 3B, hmmm? That would be super sad though.
Here’s another one, on why Hook probably isn’t dying:
So normally I just stalk around the CS/Hook fandom tags quietly admiring from afar, but I’ve listened to the Straight On ‘Til Morning commentary with Colin and the Co-Exec Producer, David H. Goodman around three times in the past week (lol I have no self control) and I just had to mention something else related to the major spoiler that arose yesterday.
Under a read more because spoiler-talk and saving people’s dashes and stuff.
I’ve read a ton of great, wonderful, spot on posts about why people shouldn’t be worried about the fate of Hook so there’s no reason to reiterate that. There’s nothing more to say, really.
This is more of a moment I loved in the commentary that is just another example [i.e. bright flashing (really ridiculously precious and sincere) neon sign] supporting the fact not only that ‘The Powers That Be’ ™ put a lot of stock in Hook (and in Colin) from the get-go, but that Colin seems to really love playing him as well. These things are common knowledge I know, but this exchange is a really wonderful one I think:
Colin: Speaking about the uh, about the sets – the boat and stuff like that – it was when I saw the boat and the green screen I kind of went “Okay, I might actually be back for Season 3, so that’s good.”
[both laughing]
David H. Goodman (Co-Exec Producer / Writer): Well, I will say you know, when we cast you, to the people that are listening, when we cast Colin, I mean, you never know. We all had high hopes for Captain Hook, but you know if that actor comes in and doesn’t do a good job that that character’s going to go away; and Colin you have, you have gone beyond any of our expectations and made yourself –
Colin: Oh, stop.
DHG: Hey listen, it’s true. It’s true.
Colin: Thank you very much.
DHG: We would not be doing this episode with Captain Hook sort of at the center of it if you hadn’t done such a great job, so thank you.
Colin: It’s a good job nobody can see me, because I’ve literally gone bright red now at the minute, but thank you.
High hopes for a character that went above and beyond any expectation. Quite a bit of praise and love straight from the horse’s mouth. You don’t tie a noose around the neck of the character fulfilling all your high hopes for him and then some. You base half a season around the area of his expertise — Neverland, and you irrevocably weave his story with that of the main character. You write him knowing you can undoubtedly achieve all those hopes you had in mind for him at the start and more. js js.
That’s why the ‘his arc and original story are done, therefore, he must die’ argument falls on deaf ears. Unless, said character is Pinocchio where the writers really don’t know where else to go with the character.
Something else, I saw yesterday, Remember that spoiler that the reason why it was Hook who showed up at Emma’s at not Neal, the poster commented, maybe that’s because by that point, Neal is dead. That would be a HUGE hindrance to why Neal couldn’t go.
Am posting this for you @zoeandnimo lol 🙂 she made this post yesterday, basically saying all the things we’ve been saying in this thread lol, but it will make you feel better!!!
From lady-silverblood:
Okay. I am going to make one post and logic everybody’s face off and this will serve as my official statement on the subject and no more.
First, Hook is not going to die. Period. I state this three times in my FAQ (with the spoilers I may need to bump it up to six). Other shipmates have written about, if the character death is voluntary as is rumored, WHY ON EARTH would it be Colin? Answer: it wouldn’t be. He loves Hook, ships CS harder than just about anyone, quit his band, moved his whole family to Vancouver, and otherwise has demonstrated multiple times in the real world how devoted he is to the role. For him to now be dissatisfied and asking off (the same PA who originally started the rumor of the death and the unhappy cast member, which IMHO was gossipy and unprofessional, told someone wondering about the lack of Colin pictures that there was “nothing to worry about” and that Colin was one of the nicest and most down-to-earth cast members ever) just wouldn’t be the case. So it’s not an attitude issue, it’s not Colin being unhappy, none of it makes sense that he would ask to be written off. He’s been in a few minor projects, but OUAT is his breakout role and will give him steady work for at least 3-4 more years. He has a young son. Job security is a nice thing. In contrast to MRJ, who’s an established actor who’s worked on many shows and let’s face it, isn’t getting much to do with Neal at all and after the interview (“there was only one” re Hook ending up at Emma’s door) clearly isn’t going to get much more. It makes sense that as contract renewals roll around, he could have politely requested A&E write him off the show to free him up to pursue other projects.
Next, Hook is a fan favorite. Don’t listen to the haters; he is EXTREMELY popular. There is good evidence for this (the popularity of Hook/Captain Swan things on the OUAT facebook etc). The last time we had a fan favorite redeem himself as a hero by dying (3×11, Rumple) it was such that NO ONE believed he was really dead. They just weren’t going to take him off the show like that. Likewise, Adam and Eddy aren’t STUPID. Hook is famously popular among the ABC executives (remember that interview about how they kept asking if he was in every scene?) who already stopped them from killing Charming. Do you REALLY, REALLY THINK they’re going to kill off their handsome, romantic, dashing, popular, controversial leading man, when everybody is buzzing about his chemistry with your leading lady, when they just got nominated for a PCA for it, when you’ve planned for him since the start of the show, when you already went the kill-off-Emma’s-love-interests route before, when the character has stated over and over in canon that one of his chief virtues is survival and that he’s in it for the long haul? Dying at this point truncates his arc and does nothing. He just dies, forever, leaving Emma broken and none of his character objectives fulfilled. Why spend almost two seasons building him up, giving him all the momentum, writing yourself into a corner with his love for Emma, journey to find her, and his dynamic, ongoing struggle and transformation, just to bump him off? It would tell him that it wasn’t worth it to change that much in hope of love, as he got neither his happy ending or the woman he did it for.
Third, it’s sad and ridiculous to think that after Hook dies a hero, Neal can then somehow swoop in and pick up the pieces. Emma already TOLD Neal she’d rather have him dead than enter a new relationship with him. Multiple times, she chose to actively stay away from him and to resist any idea of giving him false hope. I can’t think ANYBODY would be happy if after having lost Hook, her TL, she just sadly and reluctantly ended up with Neal as a second choice, having to settle once more for the guy who caused all her trust issues and f—ing let her go to jail (thank you Kitsis). That would be a tragedy. It would be BEYOND depressing, flagrantly untrue to Emma’s character, require the hasty and obvious retconning of everything they’ve ever established about that relationship to date, and be contrary to why Adam and Eddy have stated they write the show in the first place: to give hope to people that things can change and they can experience a little magic for themselves. Hook isn’t dying for the same reason that ST isn’t endgame. This is a show about hope, family, true love, and happy endings. Emma doesn’t get that in the relationship specifically designed to show us why she is the way she is. She wouldn’t take Neal back even if Hook wasn’t in the picture.
Once more, Adam and Eddy have stated that the attempted TLK at the end of 3×11 was a “natural and inevitable place” they kept getting to, it was the only ending (as in, no Plan B to set up Neal as the possible TL), it leads into a whole new story, it was all about Emma and Hook connecting in thematic and character ways that “made a lot of sense,” and so on. They’re both talking about how they “hope” to see more CS in 3B. (After “I’d like to see it” in regards to the possibility of CS in 3A during the summer hiatus last year.) You don’t destroy the story you’ve worked so hard for like that. Killing who is almost beyond any doubt your main character’s true love doesn’t fit with ANYTHING you’ve decided or demonstrated to the audience to date, and hence they would be MAD. We’re invested in Hook because we’ve been set up that way. We get his glances, his reactions, his flashback episode, his high places and his dark places, everything about his journey. He is the character who has the momentum to start that “whole new story” with Emma. To cut that short and give it to the absent, passive, invisible, plot device Neal is simply a beyond stupid move that Adam and Eddy are too smart to make.
tl;dr: There’s no good reason on earth that Hook would die, and this is the last post I’m going to make on why not.
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Something else, I saw yesterday, Remember that spoiler that the reason why it was Hook who showed up at Emma’s at not Neal, the poster commented, maybe that’s because by that point, Neal is dead. That would be a HUGE hindrance to why Neal couldn’t go.
Except MRJ was seen filming with JMo in normal clothes for 3×15 or 3×16. He can’t be dead. This is a BIG DEAL. It’s going to be in the latter half of 3B IMO.
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