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January 28, 2014 at 8:22 am #241138
Killian Jones
Participant^^^^Agree Hook doesn’t need to sacrifice himself to be redeemed. He wasn’t really all that evil to begin with anyway.
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January 28, 2014 at 8:29 am #241141Killian Jones
ParticipantSince we know there is a death coming is anyone else worried about Hook getting a Hook centric. Think about Graham and Cora they both died in backstorys for them.
I certainly have seen people worried about it, but I’m not at all. We’ve already been over the reasons why Hook isn’t dying. (There are more posts like that, but I think they sum things up pretty well.)
And as for (backstory) centric episode=death? That was true for Graham and Cora, yes, but what about literally everyone else? A lot of the time, minor-character episodes end up overlapping heavily with the main characters’, but that happened with Graham’s too, so it’s not a reason to discount them. We have Cinderella, Archie, Hansel & Gretel, Sidney, Grumpy and Nova, Abigail, Jefferson, two episodes each for Ruby and August, Victor, Anton, Tink, Ariel, and Pan. All survived their centric episodes; that’s 16 versus 2.
And those are just the minor (or secondary) characters. Of the current main characters, Snowing have had a total of 11 episodes focused on one or both of them; Rumbelle have 7 to their (well, mostly Rumple’s) name; Emma has… sadly only one episode, but she does have the only ‘past’ scene in 3.01 too; Regina has 8, not to mention how often she involves herself heavily in other backstories; Neal’s got one (though it’s sorta shared with Wendy) plus all the Rumple-and-Bae episodes and his shared one with Hook from 2.22; and Hook already has up to four depending on how you count it. (Several of the other numbers also vary slightly depending on how you count them but you get the basic idea.)
Main characters get centric episodes (apart from Emma *sob*). That’s just what happens and it doesn’t surprise me or make me fear for Hook’s life at all.
(This is all not even mentioning the many characters who have died in episodes not focused on them: Queen Eva, King Leopold, Ruth, Johanna, Tamara, Greg, Milah, Henry Sr., Daniel, James, Jack, Liam, Greg’s dad, Gerhardt, and more. Of course none of these guys are main characters, but Graham and Cora weren’t strictly main characters either, really. I’m just trying to drive home the message that centric≠death nine times out of ten.)
January 28, 2014 at 9:14 am #241154obisgirl
ParticipantI read that one tumblr too Stelio and just wish some people would stop saying, backstory episode = character death but when you see it broken it down that way, it doesn’t happen all that often.
We all thought Charming was the one who died in his backstory episode until we learned, it wasn’t actually him but his twin brother.
January 28, 2014 at 9:25 am #241157Arianne Grace
Participant@Surayya – Thank you very well said.
I’ll admit I had my moment of panic but I went read some the CS meta out there and rewatched some of the episodes; you can clearly see the way the story is being written. There is to much invested to just throw it all away.
January 28, 2014 at 9:25 am #241158sakuragi_miu
ParticipantOh I read a LOT of metas, don’t worry. But what we see or want doesn’t mean it is what the writers see/want.
Anyway I think besides Emma, his journey this season is more about changing EVERYONE’S perception of him. His poster in a way, kind of indicates that right now, he loathes the fact that he’s a pirate, as that automatically makes people think bad of him (see Good Form). Don’t judge a book by its cover, believe I can be a good person, that there’s more than meets the eye, that I can change, I can be trusted. In a way it’s like he’s kind of looking down/at his hook. He’s been wondering about all he has lived until now, and the burden that he carries for being judged for being a pirate. Maybe that’s why he’s wearing the fake hand now. I wonder if there’s any symbolism in there. But even MORE symbolic would be to get him in modern clothes in Storybrooke! That’s why I kind of believe this is deliberate – as he isn’t staying much longer, so no need to spend more money on the costume department. Then again Tink is a guest star, and she got new clothes… couldn’t they give new ones to a regular one?
I see the sacrifice for love, really. I can see it being deliberate, as all his journey in a way has been kind of suicidal, he lives by the extreme – either die by his revenge, or die for love. The revenge thing is done… now it’s love. And after Tink’s flashback and the church scene… doesn’t that make you wonder? I don’t think it’s just a throwaway line.
But I don’t agree that he owes anything to Neal. NOTHING. It wasn’t his fault that Milah ran way – it was her mistake to leave her son behind. However she did want to bring him along later on, but I think that it would’ve been too late. Neal didn’t want to see what Killian told him, he was just too angry and automatically thought that he was the reason his family was torn apart. If Neal had accepted to live with him, things would’ve been different. Then again I blame Hook a bit for handing him over to the Lost Boys, I must admit. It’s not a reason to abandon a tween like that. But I guess he didn’t have much of a choice he Neal didn’t want to stay with him – after all they were all stuck in Neverland anyway.
In fact, unless the writers play the “Neal is the good guy that suffered” trope, I see it more of Neal owing Hook the chance to be in a family. Yes, Neal suffered a lot, but he had a second chance to be raised by someone that loved him (through Milah) and he denied it, once again, due to Rumple’s cowardness (he refused to tell the truth). Am I seeing too much into this? I’m not saying Neal should hand over in a silver plate his family to him, of course not. But if anything happens, he should let him be the father figure to Henry, since he was never there, although it wasn’t his fault in this case.
January 28, 2014 at 9:31 am #241163CaptainEala
ParticipantHi guys i’m back and refreshed i gotta say. I needed to take a break from this site for a while coincidentally (or not?) because i’m fed up of seeing what goes on in chat and what i’ve experienced there lol. I wish we could close the chat option too!!!
Anyway, seeing Colin’s birthday poster from ABC i could not be LESS worried that they’re going to kill him off 🙂 They referred to him as “beloved” which means (i looked it up to get the exact wording) “dearly loved” or “a much loved person”. Neal and Belle didn’t get “beloved” (at least i don’t think they did??) 😉 Anyway, I’m not paying any attention to haters lol, coming up with ridiculous reasons as to why it’s Hook. As far as i’m concerned nothing they say makes sense. Why would they promote him so much only to kill him off?. That’s backwards logic as far as i’m concerned lmao!!!!!!!!!!
Still pretty adamant it’s Neal i gotta say. But what i love about CSers is that we don’t actually want Neal to die, whereas the other side are LITERALLY SCRAMBLING for reasons to read in to as to why it’s Hook. *rolls eyes*
ANYWAY so excited for Killian centric!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Love all the theories that have been posted.
I’m going to post some pretty things now!
Keeper of Captain Swan's first kiss
January 28, 2014 at 9:34 am #241165CaptainEala
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I don’t mean to upset you Emma, but I think we make quite the team
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Keeper of Captain Swan's first kiss
January 28, 2014 at 9:35 am #241166CaptainEala
ParticipantJanuary 28, 2014 at 9:38 am #241169CaptainEala
ParticipantWhat’s the difficulty you’ve found for interpreting Emma?
JMo: I wish Emma had more reasons to smile
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Keeper of Captain Swan's first kiss
January 28, 2014 at 9:39 am #241170CaptainEala
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