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Aurora wrote: I actually have a question: SFers seem to be convinced that Emma doesn’t know that Hook “stole” Milah from Rumple (and Bae). What do you guys think?
I really cannot stand that SF ‘shippers don’t give Emma enough credit for her street smarts. There’s this belief that Emma and Team Princesses were going to die in season 2 winter finale. No, they weren’t. I figured out that twist that they would probably use the squid ink on the scroll moments before they used. It wasn’t difficult foreshadowing to decipher. And this, that Emma hasn’t figured out that Hook stole Milah from Rumple business? First of all, you don’t steal a person. Milah was a human being and she made a choice to leave Rumple for Hook. It sucks for Rumple that she made that decision but it was her decision to make. And it’s already been confirmed by Hook that Milah chose him. Second of all, Emma is smart. She knows that Milah was Neal’s mom and she knows that Milah was Hook’s lover. She’s not an idiot.
THANK YOU @Aurora and @Obisgirl for this!! I saw some stuff online too and I was going to come on here and ask the question but the cold medicine I’ve been chugging like water made me wonder if I would even post a sensible thought! (I’m such a baby when it comes to colds, it’s pretty sad how pathetic I get) And here’s my question, answer, and opinion all wrapped up nice and neat! 🙂
Back to my cocoon!
[adrotate group="5"]CaptainEala wrote: PS love the new avatar SK!
Me too SK! I actually have a question: SFers seem to be convinced that Emma doesn’t know that Hook “stole” Milah from Rumple (and Bae). What do you guys think?
thanks Aurora 🙂 Personally I think Emma’s all caught up on Milah lol
I really don’t see how the Milah connection can be a mystery anymore to Emma.
Milah was brought up in Nasty Habits. Emma knows Neal is Baelfire, Rumple’s son and Hook said in Nasty Habits, that drawing was something his mother (Milah) loved too. How is it still a mystery now?
I really don’t see how the Milah connection can be a mystery anymore to Emma. Milah was brought up in Nasty Habits. Emma knows Neal is Baelfire, Rumple’s son and Hook said in Nasty Habits, that drawing was something his mother (Milah) loved too. How is it still a mystery now?
it’s crazy how far off some fans will think to drive a wedge between Hook and Emma. If it’s not one thing it’s another, to those people all Hook can do is stay evil and die and in their minds he’s had no development over a season and a half.
We got a new episode title.
3×19 is called ‘A Curious Thing.’
I just googled ‘Love is a Curious Thing’ and there’s a song called ‘Love is a Curious Thing’ and if we’re dealing with the death episodes later, a curious thing would be love developing between characters post-death (Hook and Emma, which is in line with their romance being mistimed but inevitable). We could also get the mystery proposal by 3×19 if the wedding is happening in the finale. But I still think that the wedding is probably Rumbelle and not CS.
it’s crazy how far off some fans will think to drive a wedge between Hook and Emma. If it’s not one thing it’s another, to those people all Hook can do is stay evil and die and in their minds he’s had no development over a season and a half.
LOL I find it so funny that one moment, everyone is like “oooooh Hooks going to work for the WW, he’s EVIL” and then the next they think he apparently cares about everyone enough to sacrifice himself in a blaze of glory
It’s like… what
Keeper of Captain Swan's first kiss
Such a great analysis of the interaction between Emma & Hook that resulted in the kiss…love it! The arguments about this scene in particular get under my skin for some reason – maybe because I also love this episode for the Hook/Charming bromance in addition to the smooch. So I’m sharing!
That being said…from Wikipedia:
Gratitude, thankfulness, gratefulness, or appreciation is a feeling or attitude in acknowledgment of a benefit that one has received or will receive.
Gratitude is not the same as indebtedness. While both emotions occur following help, indebtedness occurs when a person perceives that they are under an obligation to make some repayment of compensation for the aid.[7] The emotions lead to different actions; indebtedness can motivate the recipient of the aid to avoid the person who has helped them, whereas gratitude can motivate the recipient to seek out their benefactor and to improve their relationship with them.
WOW, that second paragraph sounds quite familiar doesn’t it? Hook didn’t say “YOU OWE THIS TO ME, WOMAN” and beat her over the head with a club, dragging her to his mancave to have his way with her. He in no way suggested she was INDEBTED to him, he…in a flirty and joking manner…asked for a little bit of thanks. NOT EXPECTING ANYTHING FROM HER AT ALL.
And if they knew anything about his character, which they obviously don’t given how they talk about him, they would know that Hook flirts and uses his pretty face in uncomfortable situations. He uses flirting and sass to deflect his emotions. Charming just got done toasting him for heaven’s sake — the pirate who has been selfish for the last 300 years, running from authority and people like Charming, just got toasted by a king and queen right in front of their daughter slash princess he’s in love with. And he just stood there frozen until Emma broke the silence. It’s not a comfortable situation for him… he doesn’t fully know how to be this honorable guy yet. Like Colin said, he’s trying to do the right thing and be the hero but all still within the confines of his “Hook/Pirate” persona and it’s a struggle so he flirts and he’s sassy and he says things at inappropriate times but he’s trying.
Him asking Emma for a kiss was just shameless flirting. He fancies her. He’s always fancied her. He flirts with her ALL the time. He flirted with her on the beanstalk, during their sword fight by the side of the road after he got hit by a freaking car, chained up in a hospital bed…etc. They only have this huge problem with it this time around b/c Emma reciprocated. That’s the real issue here, make no mistake. If Emma would have stepped back from him and told him to get lost, they wouldn’t have an issue with it whatsoever. But instead, she looked at him like this when he stepped closer to her:
She liked it. She challenged him. She kissed him. You don’t have to like it, but to ignore canon fact that isn’t even presented ambiguously doesn’t make you look cool or smart, it makes you look like a moron. And if they knew anything about Emma, they would know that she doesn’t do things she doesn’t want to do. Earlier that day he tried connecting with her emotionally and she shut him down completely — yet he still went and saved her father anyway. For her. And didn’t even want Charming to say a damn word about it. He just didn’t want her to lose her father. He didn’t care about the gratitude, he cared about her not having to endure a loss like he did when he lost Liam to dreamshade.
So it’s hilarious to me that in the very next scene after he questions Charming giving him gratitude in front of everyone that he uses “gratitude” as a way of flirting with Emma and people actually take him seriously?! The dude didn’t expect a thing from her, she had given absolutely no reason to. So when the moment turned serious and she gave him a heartfelt thank you (that he still doesn’t feel he deserves b/c he loathes himself…let’s just be honest) he deflects and lightens up the conversation the only way he knows how to which is by flirting. And before you know it her lips are on his, her hands are in his hair and his world has been rocked.
But at the end of the day, there is no point in arguing with people who don’t get (or accept) the truth of what is going on in this scene. They are so blinded by their hate for Hook that anything and everything he does is just wrong so… again, there is no point. I would just let them do their thing, man. And it’s only going to get worse, especially IF Neal dies and Hook starts hanging out with Henry. So grow some thick skin, consider the source, and stay clear of people who in the same breath insult your intelligence then make things up to suit their own headcanons. There is no reasoning with people like that.
I love this confession so much. I mean, really, if everyone in the OUAT fandom had this attitude about love life, there would be fewer ‘shipper wars, less hate and peace everywhere! Even as a CS ‘shipper, I want Emma to end up with someone who makes her happy. I just really don’t see how that person is Neal when he’s responsible for so much pain in her life and she’s already confronted that pain and doesn’t want to feel that way anymore. Her confession in Ariel is a stepping stone towards Emma finding her own happy ending, emphasis on ‘own‘ happy ending.
That reminds me of an interview Jen gave:
“I think, ultimately, she is the product of true love, so genetically her makeup is going to want to find her own true love. What I’ve tried to maintain within her is that there is always this flame of hope, even if it’s the tiniest flame. Even though she is so guarded and protected, there is this little flame, and you see glimpses of it at times with the Sheriff and with Hook.”
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