The Captain Swan thread!

[moraha]

Wow – there are so much new posts here.
I’m just going to say, that I thank you all for being great fellow shipmates. You make me not lose hope that CS will happen one day. ( And if it’s not they’d be friends or get paired with other people that fit.)
We HAVE to get a scene with Emma and Hook together on Sunday and I’m sure we’ll see more next season. I think everything got mixed up because of Colin’s broken leg – that’s why we feel a little “betrayed” by Adam and Eddy for teasing CS and not delivering…. They had it planned out differently in the beginning.

[MysteryKat25]

@Moraha wrote:

Wow – there are so much new posts here.
I’m just going to say, that I thank you all for being great fellow shipmates. You make me not lose hope that CS will happen one day. ( And if it’s not they’d be friends or get paired with other people that fit.)
We HAVE to get a scene with Emma and Hook together on Sunday and I’m sure we’ll see more next season. I think everything got mixed up because of Colin’s broken leg – that’s why we feel a little “betrayed” by Adam and Eddy for teasing CS and not delivering…. They had it planned out differently in the beginning.

THIS completely! This thread has certainly helped me keep sane (even if some of it has been ranty vents followed by moments of hopefulness!).

I too hope that if they insist on pairing Emma with Neal that she and Hook have a great friendship (especially if we see that he & Bae have a good relationship as well *fingers crossed*) and that we actually like whatever pairings they’re involved in. I’m still 100% CaptainSwan though, the rest will just have to fall in line.

I agree that they had things planned out differently. Hook was supposed to be around in S1…then the broken leg etc etc. I’m still hopeful that we get some important / meaningful scenes that CONTINUE to show the parallels and set up the potential future like the earlier episodes did so beautifully. (Honestly I want SwanFire fans to see what we see since most of us see what they see even though we don’t like it much – it’s annoying to hear all the parallels that SF has to Snowing but they can’t see an ounce of the parallels with CS!)

I’m still waiting for those interviews from Colin & JMO for this week (weren’t they supposed to have something good in it for us that they’ve been holding onto?) This episode is supposed to be Hook-centric so I’m hoping we get some great bonding moments to lay the foundation for a good relationship but I agree, start at a friendship for now and move forward later, she’s got a lot of issues to deal with.

I really hope that if she does go back to Neal it’ll be because the younger version of her needs to see it play out and that over time she’ll realize that she’s not that person anymore and that Tallahassee was just that – a dream.

Neal showed that he could move on and even though he said that he was too scared etc etc…he relished in the fact that Emma was basically jealous and would have been interested in something possibly after they talked through stuff a bit and she understood what happened…and he STILL not only defended Tamara but went as far as to tell everybody he was still gonna marry her and they’d just have to get used to it – that does not sound like a man 100% on the SwanFire bandwagon, it sounds like a man who saw his high school sweetheart again and wondered if things could be different but recognized that he made his choices and was still committed to somebody else, up until the time he found out it was all a lie and she shot him. *eye roll*

If Emma is his first choice…and he had a chance to be back with her and be a family with Henry etc etc (and he clearly saw that she was acting like she was jealous and he enjoyed that…) then why tell her how much she meant to him and then go back to Tamara til she proved her evil ways?? He was starting to at least try to explain I’ll give him that, but it still wasn’t until after Tamara was proven evil that he was finally like “well, I loved you the whole time so please love me back as I sacrifice myself for you.” That’s how it came across – that he does love Emma but he doesn’t put her first, she was essentially at that moment a glorified backup plan where it’s like “well, this was bad but at least things go back to the way they were always supposed to be all those years ago.” – how is that not making Emma a 2nd choice?

I do get what they’re trying to say that he made the sacrifice so long ago for the good of her destiny and to get her back to her family because he knew how much she wanted to find them etc etc and he made that sacrifice…but he made it KNOWING that he would be able to get back in touch with her. He had years to try and come up with a way to explain it so that she would forgive him. (Like father like son…Rumple has centuries to get Bae back, shows up and offers to de-age him with the magic that he HATES. Go figure).

I understand why they’re both behaving the way they are, but I do think even if they’er reunited and happy for a little bit, it’ll wear off and hopefully in the meantime she’ll acknowledge the strong woman she’s become and let herself move on from her “high school crush” into a more mature relationship that’s good for the woman she is now, not the girl she was years ago.

PLEASE have some good CS stuff for us this week. We’ve been teased so much but I think some people (not all, but some definitely) get distracted and like whatever they see on the tv right then the best. In Tallahassee it was divided a bit and people were able to see both options and some loved one, some loved another….lately it’s been so one-sided that there hasn’t been much to show for the option we love most.

We need them to have a more balanced amount of screentime to make the triangle legitimate and we need to see Hook’s merits as much as we’ve seen Bae not really deal with the stuff he should be dealing with (he’s so shy it takes him how many episodes to get around to finishing the explanation that should have been covered pretty early on – seriously who stops after pinocchio told me to do it? He couldn’t even tell her that he loved her back then too but… when she said that she loved him back then and he betrayed her! Can you imagine Hook not doing that? Fighting match, arguing back and forth, Emma saying she loved him back then, he would totally shout back that he loved her too! (not to mention that he wouldn’t have let anything stand in his way…) It just doesn’t make sense.

I need there to at least be a strong amount of hope for a CS relationship of any kind after this episode. On the bright side….PaleyFest happened after the broken leg thing was an issue because he was almost mended back then right? So hypothetically…the stuff they teased was good stuff not only for this season, but stuff they wanted people to be excited about for the future I hope and it would have taken into account a lack of screentime up to the finale…

I’m just a little worried because they went so FAR with SwanFire and to a point where there isn’t a happy way to show CS this season really. Literally the best we can hope for is to find Hook doing the right thing, helping the good guys, and comforting / commiserating with Emma over her perceived loss that could be a loss to him as well depending on how close they were, and worst/best case scenario is he can relate because of Milah. I’m hoping for some serious comforting scenes laying the groundwork at least for a great friendship.

I would NEVER want one of her suitors to die as that is just NOT the way to get the other pairing together! I can’t stand the idea that any of them would be somebody’s 2nd choice! I don’t want Neal out of the way dead…I want him out of the way because they finally wake up and realize that the little dream they had all those years ago is just that: a dream, and it’s a dream they need to find with someone else.

I want Henry to have everybody in his life, but honestly..of the handful of potential pairings we’ve ever seen for Bae? I prefer Morraine and Wendy over Emma (only Tamara goes on the bottom of the list). – Seriously why did we get Morraine’s name both times if she’s not important; I was hoping she was somehow related to Wendy or that we’d see her again though I’m not sure how. And now that we’ve met Wendy and he’s obviously smitten with her I am enjoying that as well, though I’m not sure they’ll ever see each other again or if they do maybe it’s her daughter or something and even THAT I’ll probably ship over SwanFire.

Neal has his moments where I’m reminded that he was once Bae but I love love love Bae, and I can’t get 100% on board with Neal, at least where Emma’s concerned. There’s just too much baggage. Neal has his moments, he can be adorable and sweet, but also very immature and stubborn in a bad way (he never sees when he’s wrong and always trusts the wrong people, whereas Emma’s stubbornness comes out of being sure she’s right). Right now, other than Tamara, give me Bae with just about anybody, but I can’t decide who Neal should be with because I haven’t seen anybody plausible for him as a grown up so I hope we meet someone else next season that can turn the triangle into an awkward square that eventually evens itself out so that everybody is happy.

If there hadn’t been such a huge time gap in the relationship and so much hadn’t happened I could see it, SwanFire has certainly gotten a lot of moments lately but I really really hope that once CaptainSwan gets some REAL screentime again, like in Tallahassee (the only thing we can all agree on is loving that ep apparently!) then maybe we’ll be able to prove there’s a chance. *fingers crossed*

I need some CaptainSwan stuff! It’s Wednesday so sneaks should start rolling in I hope – there were only 3 last year for the finale though and the last was put up 3 hours before it aired so I’m worried. Granted last year they couldn’t show much without it being obvious that Emma believed since she did that super early on so maybe this year there’s a bit more they can tease without giving it all away? (I was mad about sneak #3 last year cause it ruined the surprise of Emma waking up Mal but there’s gotta be something they can give us this time right?)

Also I still don’t trust the promo department – I went back and watched the promo for Hook’s introduction and the only thing they got right was calling him a “charming swashbuckler” (I’d like to think the use of the word “charming” wasn’t a coincidence, but given that the rest of the promo was about showing how Hook became one of the biggest villains of all time and suggesting that he’s somehow worse than Rumple I’m really not sure I can take anything out of it).

Maybe there will be something good on the podcast tonight? Daniel tweeted that there are a lot of cast VM and Colin was included….so at least we have something to swoon over in the meantime.

WHERE ARE THE INTERVIEWS?!?!?

(I am hoping that H&K are mostly trying to be excited for whatever was just on screen and that they were giving SwanFire people their dues rather than saying well, we saw him fall through a portal but we don’t know for sure he’s dead just yet so there might be hope but you might like this other ship too cause we’re really excited about Emma & Hook interacting!) – that would have been awkward and insulting to SwanFire people and it had nothing to do with the episode at hand – they like each one as it comes along so perhaps we’ll get some hopeful words after this one for CaptainSwan. I’m sure they realize the fandom is falling to bits after last week (both sides of the triangle really) but even though we tend to be outnumbered around here (especially in the livechats) I know that they’ve said they get equal love and hate for both and they’re excited about the possibilities both bring etc etc so I’d like to think they’ll give us our due as well someday and it won’t be all “but we know she still has feelings for Neal” cause that will get old fast and it’s a slap in the face to CS people who still believe…hence my needing her to get past it and not because she thinks he’s dead.

What was that quote they gave regarding the pairings? “Sometimes there are good choices and bad choices and sometimes there are just the ones you chose?” – it was something like but but all I have to say to it is CHOOSE HOOK!

On the plus side they do seem to love the character as well as Colin so hopefully that means super awesome stuff will be down the line for Hook. (After all they talked more about him at PaleyFest than they did about Neal who wasn’t even there and was barely asked about except in regards to his relationship with Rumple which is the main thing I focus on with him anyway). Please let that mean that they want to show us all kinds of wonderful Hook goodness in S3 but that they had to set it up the way they did to get us there!

They couldn’t show us Neal last year because they had to set up the Neverland connection which meant getting the rights (or we would have had Hook sooner *cries*), and getting to Neverland sets up Hook for down the line, but at the end of the day, everything that has happened has shaped who the characters are now and sets them up for the future. Sometimes you have to get through the bad stuff to appreciate the good stuff and maybe, just maybe, that means going through the heartache of SwanFire to become the woman that Hook can fall for and both of them can move on from their pasts.

I know many believe that the road to SwanFire is through CaptainSwan, but I want to think we have at least a fighting chance that it’s the other way around.

Bring on a strong, lovable, CaptainSwan-filled S3…regardless of how much it’s going to make sitting in the live-chats miserable if everybody still hates him / CS. (It’s hard enough now but hoping this week changes that a bit – though after a huge emotional SF scene last week I’m not that’s possible, it’ll take time). It’s gonna be a LONG summer but I’d like to think the season will end with hope for every character, no matter where they end up or what mission they’re on. Last year’s ending had us all a little concerned, but it still gave hope for every character, including Regina since magic was back even though she looked like she was in huge trouble right before that. Every character had hope, the couples had hope, it’s a show about hope…please don’t let us down!

Keeper of Hook's Trenchcoat.

[moraha]

@MysteryKat25 wrote:

I’m still waiting for those interviews from Colin & JMO for this week (weren’t they supposed to have something good in it for us that they’ve been holding onto?)

Me too – I think it’s unusual that there isn’t any interview there right now?! I was hoping there’d be interviews with Colin for the upcoming episode… 😥

Neal showed that he could move on and even though he said that he was too scared etc etc…he relished in the fact that Emma was basically jealous and would have been interested in something possibly after they talked through stuff a bit and she understood what happened…

This is what I’m thinking, too. He seemed to enjoy that Emma was jealous and thats just mean, if you ask me. Also it bothers me that it wouldn’t be realistic at all if they got back together – well I had the experience, and I think maaaaaany people had the same, that going back to your ex never bodes well. Because there was a reason you separated and you’re not the same you were back than. That maybe a little different with Emma and Neil but I still think that they’re holding onto old feelings – which are still there and will probably never go away, but they are just not right and not enough to dive into a relationship again.

I’m just a little worried because they went so FAR with SwanFire and to a point where there isn’t a happy way to show CS this season really. Literally the best we can hope for is to find Hook doing the right thing, helping the good guys, and comforting / commiserating with Emma over her perceived loss that could be a loss to him as well depending on how close they were, and worst/best case scenario is he can relate because of Milah. I’m hoping for some serious comforting scenes laying the groundwork at least for a great friendship.

Maybe that is a good thing. Hook and Emma will have lots of time together without Neil next season and Emma can see the real Killian and that she likes him – and maybe more. I hope it’s our turn for at least the first 5 to 6 episodes in season 3, to see CS blossom and develop. And then I think Neil will show up again and there will be the love triangle – what’s happening then I don’t know. Emma should choose which one she’s happier with – and if I can really believe that, than it’s ok for me.

I need some CaptainSwan stuff!

Oh yes!!! 😉

On the plus side they do seem to love the character as well as Colin so hopefully that means super awesome stuff will be down the line for Hook. (After all they talked more about him at PaleyFest than they did about Neal who wasn’t even there and was barely asked about except in regards to his relationship with Rumple which is the main thing I focus on with him anyway). Please let that mean that they want to show us all kinds of wonderful Hook goodness in S3 but that they had to set it up the way they did to get us there!

Eddy and Adam stated multiple times that they love Hook and I don’t think they’ll let him go very fast. So I’m sure he’ll be there whole season 3.

It’s just that Emma and Hook have so much chemistry – it’d be wasted if they paired them off with others… Many people said that Hook flirts with every woman but it’s obviously different! Emma is the only one he’s interested in – he feels drawn towards her and she will be drawn towards him when the time is right. They had only met for a day or so (?) before climbing on the beanstalk and she had developed feelings for him in this little time – or she wouldn’t have left him up there. So I think if she really opens up to him and let’s him in after some time she’d be lost.
He would do anything for her – “A man unwilling to fight for what he wants, deserves what he gets.” – That’s it. He wants her and he’ll fight for her no matter what costs.

And if anyone brings Henry in it – he would LOVE Hook and you know it. 😉 And Hook would love Henry as well and not only because he’s just like Emma in some situations.
It’s gonna be a looooong hard summer, but as long as it pays off it’s worth it. And I HOPE it will.

[MysteryKat25]

Agreed on all counts Moraha!

INTERVIEW IS UP!!!

https://oncepodcast.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=92&t=3931&p=59135#p59135

OK, so it’s gotta be the first of many and there weren’t any specific Captain Stuff – boo, silly interviewer, don’t stop on asking if he’ll interact with SB people, ASK ABOUT EMMA! But it does sound intriguing and like there will be lots of good stuff with him and Bae. He was definitely being coy about how that will play out but it certainly sounds like we should be “surprised” about how he and a child get along which leads me to believe that he’s going off the people think he’s a villain thing and we should be surprised with how well they get on.

I totally agree that Henry would enjoy Hook being around, especially since it looks like Hook taught Bae everything he knows! That could be a really good way to bond with him and of course bonding with him would help Hook bond with Emma too!

(I don’t see it as him using Henry to get to Emma and wouldn’t want him to, just saying that he has a history around a young Bae which would be a nice parallel to bonding with Henry someday – you know, when Storybrooke isn’t trying to crash around them or when Henry isn't being kidnapped – seriously how awesome would Hook be in trying to help them get him back? Bring on Charming & Hook tag-teaming swordfighting in Neverland (at least, that's how I picture it going down – Charming's swordfight from the pilot was epic and I want that side of him back pronto – I always want Charming & Hook to get along after the initial Charming-punches-Hook thing (he usually gets it out of his system after one punch and I could see Hook pulling a Captain Jack Sparrow with “I deserved that” and then moving on to whatever he's there for.

The first interview is giving me hope for good quality HOOK moments….now I want some CaptainSwan stuff please! (Also if I keep asking for things and they happen, I would like a million dollars put into my bank account please and thank you).

Keeper of Hook's Trenchcoat.

[obisgirl]

Access: Will we get to see you in present day Storybrooke?

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First of all, the first part of that question is so stupid. It’s like the interviewer never watched the show. I wish there had been more CS stuff, but I understand wanting to keep some spoilers secret. I want to be surprised and like 😯 😮 No way!!

And Colin’s a Comic Con virgin 😆 😆 OMG, it’s going to be so awesome when he goes this summer with the cast.

[surayya]

After having slept on everything- my take is this….. Emma needs to get Neal out of her system in order to move on (pretty much as we’ve all being saying since before this ep aired lol)- period.

I’m ok with that, as long is she does move on- I get the show is about hope etc & they both just want a family to love etc. But a loving family usually isn’t the result of a relationship built on distrust, deep hurt, jealously & the belittling the other, it sends the wrong message to imply it can work. Even if 3 of those things can be over come- there is still the trust issue…there is no way that can be spun that will allow for those 2 to be in a long term ‘healthy’ relationship (given the depth of that issue which we’ve had slammed into us over the last 2yrs).
Those trust issues go so deep that her own mother, whom jumped into a portal after her- so she wouldn’t be alone, showed her ‘what her life was meant to be,’ saved her from a troll, told her she would always have someone put her 1st etc & still Emma cant trust her enough to let her inside her walls! That is on Neal- Emma was willing to trust & love then Neal broke her & she shut down- totally & wont take that risk again- you cant build a healthy long term relationship with that as part of the foundations.

I REALLY hope they let SF have it’s moment, run it course, allowing both Emma & Neal to grow past it & from it, then they move onto healthier relationships.

I’ve always thought our lack of Hook scenes this season was entirely down to Colin’s broken leg. It would have been nice if we’d seen Hook these last 4 eps though- even if it was just lurking scenes 😉

I’m hoping the final isn’t too focused on the past (& if it is, I hope we get the back story of Killian- not Hook, next season!)- as they have changed the wording from Hook & Bea’s back story to “Bae’s” back story :/ It may sound petty or greedy, but I don’t care- I WANT HOOK/KILLIAN ON SCREEN AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE DURING THE FINAL!- Hook haters be darned!

That interview was (mostly) great & seems to confirm a lot of what we already thought would be the case (ie. Hook being good with kids, having deeper layers & the capacity for change etc), hope we get better questions in a later interview tho :/
The one takeaway I jumped for joy at, was Colin saying he had to drop out of the band due to his commitments to Once – I take that to mean, Killian/Hook will back in force next season YAY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! 😀 😀 😀 😀 😀 😀 😀 😀
If Hook/Killian is back as a regular, CS has an even greater chance of taking flight 😉 😀

[hookian]

Of course Colin is back next season he’s a series regular and one they have wanted from the very beginning, he’s not going anywhere.

[surayya]

@Hookian wrote:

Of course Colin is back next season he’s a series regular and one they have wanted from the very beginning, he’s not going anywhere.

Yes- we all knew he was coming back, just not in what capacity (ie they could have knocked him down to guest star, had him feature in the 1st 5-6eps, shacked him up with another guest star- say a mermaid 😉 & we don’t see him again for most the season…kind of like Grumpy, Granny or worse- Jeff, August or Graham 🙁 )- this confirms he will at the very least be a regular, if not bumped up to main for all S3 (I doubt he’d quit his band if he was only going to be heavily involved in Once for a few eps).

[surayya]

Hook & Bae http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7DJY4LfhIr4 clip …… YAY!
Hook& Charming! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5LV4gbIcYf8 ….. Finally, he chooses to work with people who wont betray him- YAY YAY YAY!!!! This will be almost as good as a cs scene 😉

Edited to add the 2nd even BETTER clip 😉

[obisgirl]

😯 😯 I honestly thought that the writers would drag that out but I guess not 😆

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