The Captain Swan thread!

[surayya]

CAPTAIN SWAN THEME!!!!!!! Random CS scene that wasn’t strictly necessary to the plot

My fav part of the ep right there 😀 Thanks for the share.

Also enjoyed the Charming/Hook parallel with the flask of whatever it was lol

Loved the Emma/Charming daddy/daughter moment- even though it was a dream/nightmare

LOVED the whole CS Forest moment- I think it’s is starting to address some of what POM was saying & prove what many of us CS’ers have been pointing out- Hook’s love of adventure, isn’t really a love of adventure at all (he was in the Navy for his brother, he was a pirate due to his king being corrupt, he became Hook & travelled across realms & worlds etc. due to Rumple murdering Milah)- he seemed to be (in this scene) as tired as running around jungles/forests looking for bad dudes as Emma is TBH.

Also I’m really starting to like the idea that Killian gave up the JR for Emma- he is very stand offish, but not in a shifty way-more in a ‘I gave something up, or did something to get to you & I’m not telling you what’ way- about what he was up to in that yr, he wasn’t having adventures for the yr before, so what was he doing if not looking for the JR then a way back to her????? The only odd thing is I’d have thought he would have just our right said looking for away back to you, but then maybe he’s not sure about how she’ll take that news just yet….. His face when he asks if she really was seriously thinking about marriage speaks volumes- poor guy is really worried she doesn’t feel the same way for him, he feels for her after this last yr.

Emma’s reaction when Killy say’s “Don’t take this the wrong way, but I’m glad to hear that” is nice- a little surprised, but still very guarded & I love we nailed how she felt/feels after Walsh- yet another guy she falls in love with, yet turns out to be someone else/ isn’t who he says he is.

Love how as Killy steps right up close to her & says “If it can be broken, it means it still works”, she has to catch her breath & blink rapidly (although if a guy did that to me, I’d have to the same I’m sure lol). The way she looks deeply into his eyes & knows he’s telling the truth & being honest about it, kind of surprises, frightens, but at the same time ‘shuts out’ that possibility (that’s not the right term- UGH!!!!). Does anyone have a gif set showing her expression right after that conversation, as she looks away from Killian, takes stock of her self & turns away. I’m trying to figure her expression out…. it’s like she tries to put her walls up while he’s talking to her, she cant have them all the way up, so what he says effects her, she turns away to master her emotions, throw her walls back up high & solid, takes a breath to shoulder ‘dealing’ with ‘having to have no one to love for herself’ & turns away because that conversation right after he refuses to answer what exactly he was up to, is just not worth having in case she finds out he also isn’t who he she ‘hopes’ he is.

It’s like she has to keep putting him the “pirate” category, so she can talk herself out of ‘trying’ with him or something- I’m talking right now, not pre-curse 2.0 … I think she really does feel, love for her isn’t in the cards, so she has to keep Killian at arms length, but she cant turn him away, because she is to drawn/connected to him & wants it so badly, kind of thing.

Killian’s expression after she’s turns away with out a word is kind of heart breaking, poor guy is laying it all out on the table for her & can see she feels ‘something’, but she wont say or admit to anything, so he has his work cut out for him, to get back to that place they left a year ago!

[surayya]

Ok, our pirate was being a little bit of a pooper scooper in that first scene at MM’s apt…although, yeah, I’d probably still be a little irritated to find out the girl I crossed realms to save was about to marry a monkey. So…he’s forgiven. But that CS scene! Holy geez, it was so good! I think Hook’s going to stay just far away to let Emma make the choice and come to him, but I really like that he understands her well enough to know she’ll stay in her comfort zone and avoid it at all costs…and he’s going to make that little zone very uncomfortable indeed. I wonder if Hook hadn’t come back in NYCS, and Walsh had still proposed if Emma would have said yes. I don’t think she would. Emma needs a challenge and that was Monkey Man’s mistake – he didn’t challenge her. He was a yes-man. That kind of support is nice for a little while, but Emma especially needs someone who is going to stand up to her, push her, force her to face her fears, while supporting her, and Walsh was not that guy…or monkey. I’d like to think she made the choice not to marry Walsh because on some level she did realize that, not because Hook had come back.

Agree with your 1st to points & as to your 3rd (bolded) I agree with you, but I feel IF Emma had honestly loved him enough to want to marry him, she wouldn’t have left him like she was going to (until he went all flying ape on her). She would have found away to tell him who & what she & her family was- period.

I strongly feel there is no way she would have called it off to go rescue her parents IF she really was going to marry him- she loved the idea, not the actual man (I’m not saying she didn’t love Walsh, I’m saying she didn’t view Walsh as ‘eternal- do anything for you’ love) is my opinion on that matter & I’m not just saying that because I want her & Killian together either. IF Walsh had been more like Killian in personality & actually challenged her to be the beast version of herself, without wanting her to be any different from whom she really is, then I’d have said- yeah, she probably would have married him – sans the flying monkey part of his self 😉

[Bo-Peeps]

OK.

Aside from really enjoying the dark/psychological flavor and David hero-mind set centric( I am loving me some Prince Charming for the first time!) episode…and all the Oz possibilities of who-is-what-character-or-a blend-of-them-and-by-the-way-they-are- ALL-Dorothy….

I am glad to see Hook being somewhat guarded about what he might know or have experienced…all the while being in her face about emotions. Make her work for the love you are offering her Hook! YES. Make her face the challenge and the depth. Even totally understanding her fears, I get peeved at Emma a lot (heh) choosing these bland, easy, shallow guys instead of facing a really complex, emotionally complicated partner, deeply sensual and intriguing…which is what she needs.

Yeah. Stay in her face, Hook 🙂

 

***Always in search of a good flock***

[surayya]

Oh & also there was talk of Emma having a bumper sticker on the back window of her bug, that was a Pegasus (which I adamantly refuted it being lol). Well now the mystry of what it is, is solved – it is another lost easter egg, a Geronimo Jackson sticker 🙂

Emma’s bug sticker (link because the pic is MASSIVE):

http://screencapped.net/tv/onceuponatime/albums/season3/311/normal_ouat311-1939.jpg

Actual Geronimo Jackson:

= 100% match 🙂

Again this was pointed out on Once Spoilers FB page 🙂

[surayya]

OK. Aside from really enjoying the dark/psychological flavor and David hero-mind set centric( I am loving me some Prince Charming for the first time!) episode…and all the Oz possibilities of who-is-what-character-or-a blend-of-them-and-by-the-way-they-are- ALL-Dorothy…. I am glad to see Hook being somewhat guarded about what he might know or have experienced…all the while being in her face about emotions. Make her work for the love you are offering her Hook! YES. Make her face the challenge and the depth. Even totally understanding her fears, I get peeved at Emma a lot (heh) choosing these bland, easy, shallow guys instead of facing a really complex, emotionally complicated partner, deeply sensual and intriguing…which is what she needs. Yeah. Stay in her face, Hook

 

Haha, love it.

[surayya]

Hmmm- My sister came up with an interesting theory – THE WWW seems to have collected Knowledge from Rumple (= Scarecrow), Blood/heart from Regina (=Tin man) & Courage from Charming (= Lion) … Oz reference yes, but for what purpose I wonder????

[surayya]

testing

[sweetgrass]

Saying hi.

i liked the episode.  I am finding that I am liking  charming a lot this season.  I liked that the show dealt with his feelings of having let Emma down even knowing it was the only thing to do.  I liked that charming was taking a drink from a bottle.  Looks like hook has rubbed off on him.

i feel bad fir hook.  Colin said the same in an interview.  Emma doesn’t treat him well.  i really hope he didn’t give up the Jolly.  It’s been his home for over 300 years.  It has his logs, his books, his momentos of all his loved ones.

Keeper of Hook and Emma's smoldering first kiss, a certain Pirate's sauciness, the Evil Queen's snarkiness, Grumpy's gruffness and a drop of true love to make it all go down smooth.

[killianhookfan]

As usual I have to do my re-watch today but. . .

Holy moly!!  That was the CS scene to end all CS scenes for me!!!  I literally stopped breathing!!  I mean we have talked before about how Hook has never actually said “I love you” to Emma but how much more obvious is it to start prodding her to make you tell you if she was actually considering marrying the monkey??  And then telling her that he was GLAD he ended up letting her down she COULDN’T marry him even though he knows that means she ends up getting hurt???  He might as well hold up a huge sign that says “I love you Emma, you own my heart!!”  Although Hook always challenges Emma when she needs to make a decision or do something that makes her uncomfortable, the one thing he NEVER wants to purposely do is hurt her – but this time, he makes it very clear that he doesn’t CARE if she got her heart hurt because this one is HIS.  Prior to the year of Emma’s fake memories Hook said he was “in it for the long haul” because Emma was basically incapable of having a romantic relationship – she had to figure out how to even HAVE one all over again before she could even figure out who she wanted to be with.  But NOW Hook knows that having a real relationship and having her heart broken means that she is ALREADY capable of having a relationship – he is already through that hurdle.

To me this has been the most intimate CS moment on the show so far, even more than the kiss.  Because Emma let Hook get WAY in her personal space right after she angrily said that he was glad she got her heart broken and THAT’S when he drops the bomb that it really makes no difference if she got hurt because what it tells him is that her heart actually works – and for him, that’s what HE needs.  And since Hook has always been able to read her like a book he knows that’s what they BOTH need.

But, can I just point out how much I LOVE Hook as an individual character.  This poor guy is so incredibly strong when he needs to be – when Emma needs him to be but doesn’t even know it.  And it always tends to be right after Emma has just emotionally shot him down and wounded him in some way, when he just HAS to be in pain because if the way she has treated him – yet THAT is when he is able to be at his strongest for them both so that Emma doesn’t turn and run away and so he won’t give up, that’s when he steps into her personal space, or comforts her, or challenges her – that’s being in it for the long haul.  But yet you can always see that moment where he is in pain from what she has just said to him and when he has that moment of doubt.  It’s at those moments that, even though I LOVE Emma – I hate her for what she is doing to Hook.  And I wonder if what is going to happen in the final two episodes is that she is finally going to realize how much she has been pushing him away and hurting him when he has been doing NOTHING but trying to love her and “save” her from herself.

The other thing I found interesting was Emma has no patience for lying with her superpower and she called Hook out on the fact that he is lying to her about something and isn’t telling her about something that he was up to during the year she was gone.  Yet he basically just says – you’re right, I’m not telling you what I was up to, I am keeping something from you and you’re just gonna have to trust me on this on one.  And she just . . . lets it go!!!!  No questions asks, no grumbling, doesn’t even really acknowledge it.  That is trust – she wouldn’t do that with anyone else.  She knows Hook wouldn’t be involved in something bad so she knows that if he isn’t telling her something he must have a good reason.

So we know that Emma trusts him even when she knows and he admits he is keeping something from her and we know that Hook knows that Emma is capable of being in love now.  Things are progressing nicely for our pirate and princess.

[killianhookfan]

Okay, I did my re-watch of just the CS scene and I have to say that some people have completely misinterpreted the entire scene and it’s driving me crazy so I am only going to say this here in our thread.

First, this scene COMPLETELY addressed exactly what we were talking about yesterday before the show.  Hook says to Emma “How is it whenever you’re around I find myself tracking through some woods or forest courting danger?”  He doesn’t say “Oh yay, another dangerous adventure I’ve set out upon and I’m so happy because I get to drag you unwillingly along on it even though all you want to do is find a nice normal life to lead.”  No.  He is saying, I didn’t sign up for all this but because I love you and am never going to leave you it looks like, once again I am on another dangerous adventure in the woods because that’s who YOU are.  Hook is NOT the one who is in need of one adventure after another, in fact he would prefer not to have to deal with them just like Emma.  But the fact of the matter is that in their “world” adventures exists and they unlikely to stop – especially for the savior.  But as Hook figured out on their first adventure together “they make quite the team.”  Emma is the one who is constantly going from one adventure to another NOT Hook.

Then people are saying that Hook is being kind of a jerk about lying to her.  Well he doesn’t actually lie to her at all here.  EMMA is the one who tells HIM that for the past year he had been on the JR having one swash-buckling adventure after another until he “finally” decided to come get her.  Go watch it.  She is annoyed (jealous?) that he has not volunteered what he was doing all year.  When he says “exactly” I take it as kind of when people say “whatever” sarcastically when they are annoyed at someone.  And I do think he has a right to be a bit annoyed.  I think he is trying to protect her from what is going on with Neal and I think he went through quite a bit to get to her (I am wondering if he even gave up the JR for her) all because he loves her so much.  He has done NOTHING but show her how much he loves her by helping her and her family out and opening himself up emotionally to her yet she has reverted back to looking at him like a pirate.  So yeah, he’s annoyed and a one word answer to HER made up scenario for his past year is probably his best option.  Then she has the audacity to turn around and snap at him and tell him HE’S lying.  But at the end of it all they BOTH agree to just accept that, yes, there is something he isn’t telling her.  Emma can’t stand lying – there is no way she would just let that go and continue to work with Hook unless she TRUSTS him.  She knows this man loves her and that he would NEVER do anything to hurt her that was WHOLE point of the next dialogue.  When she was surprised that he is glad that she got her heart broken, she allows him to get in her personal space and is looking in his eyes using her superpower after he explains that if her heart can be broken than he knows it still works – she GETS that he loves her, she can trust him, and that he will NEVER hurt her.  Why else would she accept that he is purposely keeping something from her yet immediately continue working with him????

So, no – Hook is not blasé or nonchalant about “lying” to Emma.  Go back and look at his facial expressions and body language when she is TELLING him what he was doing for the past year.  Then watch him after he tells her that if her heart can be broken he knows it still works.  It is KILLING him to have to lie/keep things from her but at least now he has TOLD her that he is keeping something from her.  I don’t believe Hook would EVER want to see Emma hurt – but a loveless marriage to monkey??  This is a tricky one.  Like he said – he saved her.  She might have gotten hurt but at the same time – they BOTH know her heart can actually love now, whereas before the year of fake memories Emma didn’t think she had the ability to love again.  So I think Hook pointed out to her that having her heart broken in these particular circumstances was probably worth it.

It is the scene of poor Hook after Emma walks away that just breaks my CS shipper heart into a million pieces though.  It’s line he was holding his breath his entire time he was talking to her and trying to strong for both of them and when she walked away he could finally fall apart (as much as Captain Hook can).  She didn’t treat him very well and that had to hurt him like crazy, he thinks something going on with Neal is going to hurt her, her walls are back up again and he start over, she was going to marry someone who isn’t HIM, he can’t tell her what he was doing all year, and all he wants to do is grab her tell her he loves her and kiss her . . . but he can’t . . . and in the back of his mind TLK didn’t work.

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