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Well, I for one still think its Neal. Don’t get me wrong, my reasoning is not because I dislike the character. MRJ has be ill-used on this show, imo.; he can certainly do better elsewhere. The thing is, I can’t see them killing anyone else off. If they hadn’t specifically said that it was a series regular, I would have a much longer list to put forward. Heck, everyone in the chat was throwing poor Happy under the bus as soon at the PA leaked the spoiler. I’m P.O’d at how this whole spoiler thing was handled. If Adam hadn’t given it away in an interview, the PA’s tweets would have faded from memory and we wouldn’t have this angst happening. By the recent interviews by A and E and cast, it almost sounds like they don’t give two-f’s anymore about the spoiler. Does anyone here watch The Good Wife? As upsetting as last nights episode was, I’m so happy that a spoiler didn’t ruin my viewing pleasure. If I had known what was coming, I may not have tuned in to watch the season.
Regardless, we’ll all know for sure next week. I hope A and E learned something from this mess.
[adrotate group="5"]Maybe it’s just that it seems so crazy obvious to me in so many ways, especially now that we have the promo for the next episode, that I just can’t believe that they would handle a character death that way. I completely agree that Neal is really not important to the plot of the show so sadly, for many of us (I say that because I respect that there are many people who love his character), we won’t miss him at all. Which IS sad in a way because of how much I LOVED Bae. But the fact that a character who started out as so central to the whole plot of the show just kind of withered into nothingness to the point that his death has become such a not big deal that they aren’t even trying to hide it in the promo is just so strange to me. I keep feeling like there must be something else to this – that it can’tbe just that simple and obvious. But I guess maybe it is.
So I have a question for you all . . . I have been convinced all along that…
My thing is that I don’t see who else it could be due to who has been filming unless this is all trickery and the death doesn’t happen until later in the season than we think..like the finale? It does scream obvious though based on the promo… too obvious so I definitely agree with your points. Then again I thought Zelena being Regina’s sister was too obvious. Maybe they figured most of the fandom has guessed already? I did notice that the promo for US was way more death spoiler-y than the promo for Canada.
Wasn’t the death originally leaked by a crew member and then A&E decided to roll with it? I thought I heard/read something about somebody getting fired over it. The death spoiler definitely worked up the fans and generated buzz so maybe they are doing it intentionally for ratings since it is out now anyway… I remember Graham’s death being pretty obvious too.
I agree that they pretty much poo’d on Neal’s character. To me adult Bae/Neal was nothing but a plot device… a tool used to explain and develop other characters on the show. I really did want to like him but his lines/actions tend to fall pretty flat for me or are frankly upsetting (like when he mocked Emma’s “superpower” to her face in front of Henry). I feel bad for his fans. As a character he wasn’t really developed well.. much like Belle.
On a happier note, I found this on @captaineala’s tumblr, and since she isn’t here to post it as she probably would have done, I will. 🙂 Its a breakdown of the subtleties of the CS scene from last night. There’s some bad language so I’ll just post the link.
http://gentlesleaze.tumblr.com/post/80598036926/let-me-break-this-down-otherwise-titled-why-i
So one thing I noticed when I re watched the CS scene for 42nd time – after Emma and Hook have had their moment to breathe in each other’s steamy air and stare into each other’s eyes and after Emma freaks out and walks away we get the scene where we see them coming over the hill up to the farmhouse together. Up to this point when Hook and Emma have had any kind of “intense” emotional conversations or talked about either of their feelings they have either been interrupted by other people or it was in Neverland where Emma was able to run away from Hook and go off to deal with something else or talk to someone else.
When they come over the hill, Hook is walking behind Emma. He knows Emma needs time to decompress emotionally after those “moments” and that she needs to call the shots on how they interact after those moments happen. There isn’t anyone else around for her to run to and she can’t run away from him into the jungle the way she could in Neverland. So he gives her the space he knows she still needs by walking behind her so she doesn’t have to face him. But this is the important part – Emma turns around very quickly and briefly to make sure he is still there. I think that is super important.
She wasn’t exactly nice to him when she just talked to him – in fact, she was actually really snotty. I think right before she turned and walked away from him she looked into his eyes and her super power told her that he was telling her the truth about being glad that her broken heart is a sign that it still works NOT that she was hurt at all. I think she saw in his eyes a man who would never wish for her to EVER be hurt and then she had time to realize that she probably hurt HIM by the way she spoke to him and the things she said and suddenly she realized that she probably needed to make sure he actually followed her. But like always as soon as she turned around she probably recognized she really didn’t have to check to see if he was there at all because by now I think she knows that Killian is always going to be there for her – after all, I think she is pretty much convinced that she can always count on him to come back and save her, no matter the circumstances. And I think when we find out what was going on during his secret year she will find out just how bad the circumstances were that he was willing to go through to get back to save her.
On a happier note, I found this on @captaineala‘s tumblr, and since she isn’t here to post it as she probably would have done, I will. 🙂 Its a breakdown of the subtleties of the CS scene from last night. There’s some bad language so I’ll just post the link. http://gentlesleaze.tumblr.com/post/80598036926/let-me-break-this-down-otherwise-titled-why-i
This was really good thanks for sharing..
They both have their moments of immaturity, I think. Hook was kind of a poop early in the episode, and then Emma was pretty harsh at the field. I think it’s just a defense mechanism and they’re both going to have to come to that realization. Both of them have been hurt, and both of them have done things that the other might be hurt by. But they’re getting there, slowly but surely. Frankly, Hook should be a little abrupt with her. She needs a kick in the pants more often than not when it comes to the ‘touchy feely’ stuff.
I do like that Hook stood up to Emma when she called him on lying to her. Which he didn’t. She knows him well enough to know when he agreed to her “swashbuckling” statement that he’s appeasing her. And, frankly, if Hook doesn’t want to talk about the missing year with Emma, he doesn’t have to, even if she doesn’t like it. And his reasons could be because he’s protecting her, or because it’s to sensitive for him to discuss right now. Why does he have to lay everything at Emma’s feet when she plays the ‘selective info’ card often enough. I think it was great to show that moment between them, and see them recover and move on with their mission. It shows whatever is going on between them, they still have each other’s back and will continue to do so.
Hey guys! Sorry I haven’t been posting as much (super busy).
We may not have gotten a ton but what little we did was great! (Like Charming says you have to look for the GOOD moments and while it wasn’t one of my favorite eps overall, I think in a marathon it’ll fit in better later on).
That opening scene was so heartbreaking! It’s definitely following the theme of 3B so far about Charming missing out on big moments of Emma’s life and, since she was wearing white and hasn’t been to any balls or weddings, a subtle reminder of Emma wanting to move forward with her life and have someone to share it with her (and Henry). Yes it was only a ball in the dream but she was in a white dress and it really hit home with the Daddy!Charming feels because he HAS missed out on basically everything (though not first ball since Emma hasn’t gone to one yet) and brought back to mind Charming’s reaction to Hook saying Emma was about to marry someone because that’s basically the only big step that Charming has left to maybe not miss out on right now.Whether it ends up being part of the wedding spoiler for the end of the season which frankly, right now for me is a toss-up because I have clear & plausible headcanons for RumBelle, CaptainSwan, and OutlawQueen and will be happy with any because I love all three pairings, or not, it still brings home the idea that Emma DOES want to move forward with her life and have someone to share it with and a father-figure for Henry and that she is way more open to it now than she has been so regardless of if it’s a wedding this season or not, it is VERY positive CaptainSwan development for the future – though it does seem a bit foreshadowy that they’re reminding us so much that Emma wants this – even so far as having Henry tell Regina all about Walsh and again, wanting Emma to be happy. That said other couples have foreshadowy moments like “Mrs. Gold” too so we’ll see! I would have said RB for sure before 3B started so depends on what happens from here on out. I’m not *expecting* a CS wedding but Emma is DEFINITELY moving in that direction and it’s now a constant reminder that she does want that in her life, she just doesn’t think she can have that and Hook will be out to prove her wrong!I really think Henry will be more open to Hook than a lot of people seem to think – especially since Henry now knows what Emma went through and is more understanding of it. Now to get his memories back for the full story and *fingers crossed* he’s still understanding & just wants the best for Emma but I think he will! LOL at Regina’s comment about more family than he’ll know what to do with cause that couldn’t be more accurate!)
SO HAPPY that they played the music over the biggest CS scene. I love when the couple’s themes swell like that to show it is a GOOD and ROMANTIC moment, even if it may seem different at first to some who are intent on hating Hook even when he tries to be supportive. Emma realized that and the sincerity of the moment after she questioned his original statement and if she’s not upset and hurting over it – just like she made it CRYSTAL CLEAR she thanked him long before going in for the kiss – then we shouldn’t be upset either (whereas she still clearly has some issues with past men in her life and she DOES have her memories now and still compared Walsh to her past where she IS clearly upset about what just happened in her life since she really was in love with him & thinking of marrying him.)
Hook even started that *apparently controversial* moment off by saying “Don’t take this the wrong way” and she called him on what some obviously thought he was doing in “celebrating” or being “happy” her heart was broken which gave him a chance to further explain himself. IT WAS A GOOD THING and he was being supportive of her not shutting herself off completely just because yet again a guy wasn’t who he presented himself as to her. It’s also one of the GREAT things about CS because Hook is who he says and doesn’t hide the bad stuff or pretend it’s not there. It was VERY SIMILAR to Snow’s conversation with Regina when telling her to hold onto her heart rather than burying it – yes it hurts now but someday it will get better and you will love again if you open yourself up to it. The music over the top of the big CS scene was icing on the cake.
We’ve seen him hold things back until he can verify them so as not to hurt her before (think: Pan telling him Neal was alive) so until we see exactly how the last year went down there’s no reason to think it’s anything bad – remember “Believe a pirate can be a hero” and hello, he wouldn’t do anything purposefully to hurt her or her family. He keeps RESCUING THEM.) One of the things I really loved about 3A was how clear Hook made it that he knows who Emma is but wants to know even more (direct contrast to “If I knew who you were I never would have gone near you” and now with her pointing out that Walsh, like Neal wasn’t who she thought he was when they were together and disappointed her. In fact we saw Walsh promise her the world just as much as Neal did and she got hurt, again.) Ultimately she already CHOSE HOOK when she drank that potion in NY – even acknowledging at the time that doing so would mean walking away from that perfect life which included Walsh who she went and said NO to. She clearly HASN’T shut Hook down at all even though he does keep sincerely making sure she knows his feelings. He’s being supportive and he knows when to be more persistent (which she NEEDS her pursuer to be) and when to give her some space. She walked off when it got to be too much (like she always does and he KNOWS THAT because he reads her so well), and he just followed along to help with the mission and left it at that for now. THIS IS HOW THEY OPERATE. THEY UNDERSTAND EACH OTHER. HE IS NOT MAKING HER MISERABLE. She has lots of things going on right now and is conflicted about a LOT of stuff that is happening but she’s not telling him no chance either. AT ALL.
Next week looks intense! Regardless of what happens with that evil spoiler hanging over our heads which looks like it actually might be next week, I’m very very curious about what is going on! I’m happy for more Neal and Belle screentime – and seriously YAY for Hook & Belle in the shop together!!! I really want a POSITIVE scene with them obviously getting along and working together to show that there’s no hard feelings there anymore. Again – if the characters aren’t upset about something, we shouldn’t be. We’ve seen times where characters (like Regina) say they haven’t forgotten something just because they’re on the same side now, but if Regina can be a part of the “family” now, then Hook can too and I really want him and Belle to get along! Also – especially if this IS the big thing the fandom has been dreading, I need there to be an honest conversation from Neal where it reiterates that he knows why she didn’t show up at the diner etc, and that Henry is the only good thing between them but that’s enough. (And acknowledging past mistakes would be good as well. If this IS his big death episode I expect it to be in a somewhat heroic fashion and make him more redeemable but I would really love if that included laying everything on the line and making it all crystal clear. They’ve been setting it up all season and trying to drill it into our heads that Henry IS the one good thing from them and they are his parents and that’s ok and they can get along but don’t have to be together. Now they just need to be super honest if this is the last we’ll see of them together because their conversations keep getting tossed aside (though they do have them because they reference things later sometimes). The jail thing was supposed to come out but I’m starting to wonder if it’ll be an actual conversation between Neal and Emma, or if it was just the fact that Henry knows now and, not having his memories, could easily blurt something out (in an attempt to defend Emma possibly) and thus everyone knows.
Guess I had more to say but I haven’t posted much about 3B yet even though I’m loving it! For an episode that had little screentime to work with, the moments there were were still very powerful, sometimes playful, and definitely exciting! I meta’d way more about the BIG CS moment so have tried not to repeat myself in this post too much and I actually prefer what I said on tumblr anyway so check it out here if you’re inclined: http://captainswan4life.tumblr.com/post/80553326802/the-scene-in-3×14 (Yes I’ve been hiding out a lot on tumblr and I meta occasionally and repost a lot of gifsets etc so if you can’t find me here, I’m usually at least checking there).
Chomping at the bit for the rest of the season no matter what happens. I think there’s a LOT of really awesome stuff in store for us and even though the characters are being put through the ringer, there’ll be lots of great story for them to work with! Can’t wait for more CS moments! Even when they are few they are meaningful. I love this ship!
Keeper of Hook's Trenchcoat.
Okay, so I keep reading all this stuff saying how it was so terrible that Hook told Emma that he was “glad” she got her heart broken because it means it still works. I don’t understand this. I must be too old and have too much life experience – oh, and be too busy raising a child whom I realize needs to experience things like disappointment, pain, and unhappiness at some points during his life in order to fully appreciate the full life experience – to understand this line of thinking.
Isn’t this EXACTLY what Snow was talking about in 3×12 when she told Regina she couldn’t bury her heart? That the ONLY way she was going to learn to find happiness again was to keep her heart – even though it was currently causing her nothing but pain? Because if she buried her heart not only would she never feel heartache again but she would never feel love or happiness again either. And everyone thought THAT moment was such a SWEET BONDING moment between Regina and Snow. But the same moment between Hook and Emma is NOT special?? I’m sorry but it has been the most intimate moment between the two them on the show so far, including the kiss.
And did no one catch what Hook said first?? “Don’t take this the wrong way . . .” In other words -I’m not happy you are in pain, I am happy that your ability to FEEL pain is proof that your heart works. Let’s face it, even Emma wasn’t sure her heart had the ability to love in the way it needed to in order to be in a relationship prior to her year of false memories. Hook is INCREDIBLY insightful when it comes to Emma – in fact he’s the only person that can render her speechless. And he knows EXACTLY what she needs to hear regardless of whether she wants to hear it or not (he knows her better than she knows herself). She needed to know that the monkey man is NOT another reason to throw her walls back up again (well, primarily because he was a monkey – so he just wasn’t even worth it, but I digress) because what happened with that situation, though painful, was actually GOOD for her. And because Hook loves Emma, yes – he is GLAD that she has experienced something that should cause her to recognize that she has the ability to have an actual loving relationship. And no, it is NOT just because he WANTS her, it’s because he CARES about her.
It’s just like with my son – I am quite sure he is going to have some painful romantic relationships over the course of his life before he finds “the one.” Do I want him to be in pain? No. Do I recognize that pain is a way we LEARN in life? YES!! And if having some painful relationships ends up teaching him some things that he needs to learn about himself and the kind of woman he DOESN’T want to end up with so that he can find his own true love – bring on the pain!!!
Excellent post, RGF! I totally agree – haha, maybe it is age, experience, whatever, that makes people look at that scene differently.
It’s funny, at some point in my late teens or early 20s, I made a conscious decision to allow myself to live, love, get hurt…experience life to it’s fullest so I didn’t wake up at some point, married with kids and regret anything. And I lived and loved HARD…and it resulted in a lot of pain…and eventual forgiveness for that pain. And I will encourage my son to do the same thing. Because it makes you a better person. It makes you stronger and realize you can’t be broken unless you allow someone to break you.
Emma literally fell apart the last time she was in a romantic relationship and it didn’t work out (Neal). The fact of the matter is, whatever the reason it didn’t work out with Walsh (you know, not being of the same species can be a real relationship killer), the important thing is that Emma does feel something. She’s moving forward. She isn’t being drawn so deep within herself the she is surviving, but not living. And I think it’s incredibly important that someone pointed that out to her. More importantly, who pointed it out to her. Had Snow or even Charming said that, she would likely have brushed it off. That it was Hook, one of the people she knows cares deeply for her, understands her, gets her, who said it, makes those words resonate even deeper with her.
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