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April 23, 2014 at 2:17 pm #263289Jenna_BParticipant
Hook knows something and not just about the JR events and Z’s kissy curse…I just can’t figure out what….I don’t think it’s anything horrendous he just seems…I don’t know a little off.
I really like the idea of Regina, Hook and Snowing all being involved in the recast…the 4(plus Emma of course) are really solidfying as the core team and are fun to watch work together. So I could see them coming together to try to figure something out…or R/Snowing trying to come up with a plan and getting word to Hook with just enough info to get it out in time for the recast because they KNOW he’ll stop at nothing to get to Emma if she’s in trouble. So….because I lime the idea that’s not happening! Haha. But that’s ok I usually still really like whatever A&E throw at us, plotholes and retcons and all.
[adrotate group="5"]April 23, 2014 at 2:30 pm #263294Bo-PeepsParticipantI do, too, Jenna_B!
…and didn’t Neal say something to Hook before he died about thanking him for doing something? And Hook answered that he(Neal) would have done the same?
could be everyone was involved!
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April 23, 2014 at 2:48 pm #263301Bo-PeepsParticipantHmmm, could Neal have cast the curse? He did say to Belle when they were walking to Regina’s castle after being sent back to EF that he hoped he didn’t have to curse everyone to get what he wanted regarding his dad, didn’t he? (I am shaky on certain details).
That would be a kicker.
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April 23, 2014 at 3:08 pm #263304Bo-PeepsParticipantOne more and I am stepping away from the computer for a bit (HA). Maybe Neal AND Hook cast the curse, and part of it was Neal asking Hook to give up the *thing* he loved the most in the world they were in…the Jolly Roger.
Heh…ok ok, I am stepping away now and leaving the conjecture up to more energetic minds!
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April 23, 2014 at 3:49 pm #263313Bo-PeepsParticipantOK, I lied HEH. I am still at my computer for one last post.
I adjusted the guess.
If I recall, didn’t Neal thank Hook for helping while he was in the hospital before he died? And Hook replied that he (Neal) would have done it too? Could be Hook, Neal AND Rumple had a hand, hook, heart in casting the return to Storybrooke curse.
Maybe Neal/Rumple (together again after the Zelena enforced *bonding*) cast it in EF, and then asked Hook to use the enchantment powers of the Jolly Roger to go find Emma so that she could save everyone from Zelena, but in Storybrooke. Rumple could have used Neal’s heart (by Neal’s directive) as the thing he loved most for the curse since he was essentially co-habituating with him and Neal only lived through him at that point. They only, technically, needed one heart, right?
Neal/Rumple under mostly Neal’s influence (he seemed quite sane when he controlled the mind of the two of them, and was rather separate from Zelena’s control for awhile… could have gotten word to Hook.
Then when Neal thanked Hook for his help in the hospital before he died (and he knew he was going to die, only one heart between he and Rumple) and Hook said *you would have done it, too*, that was a heads up to what happened to The Jolly Roger…a switch for a portal transfer and the memory potion (which could have come from…Glinda?) to go get Emma.
Gone…poof
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April 23, 2014 at 4:09 pm #263324killianhookfanParticipantYes! I always wondered if Hook knew exactly what had happened to Neal/Rumple and that Neal had to die – because after Neal asked Hook how it felt to be the hero Hook asked him how it felt to be the villain. When Neal asked why a villain Hook said because he assumed Neal must have used some dark magic to try to get his father back. But in hindsight I wondered if he was really asking how does it actually FEEL to be a villain considering your father, who is one of the ultimate villains, is living inside of you and talking in your head. Then when he gave him that emotional hug it was like he was trying to make amends and saying goodbye – like he knew Neal was going to die.
And now that I guess we know for sure there is going to be some kind of time travel/alternate reality episode I get thrown for a tizzy because Tim e travel on TV screws everything up! So I am wondering is Hook aware of some time travel loop that has already occurred and THAT is why he can’t tell anyone what he knows and he can’t tell Emma about his missing year? Because you know how in time travel if you change one thing it sets off major changes in other areas that you never even thought of?? So maybe he is trying to protect everyone from making life altering decisions by just keeping quiet about what he knows and letting them figure it out on their own. Take Neal’s death for example, no one wanted Neal to die but in current time he had to die – if Hook told people that Neal was going to die they would probably all do something to stop it but Hook might know that his death was needed for some reason and keeping him alive would change things too much. I don’t know. This is why I HATE time travel on TV shows!!
April 23, 2014 at 4:21 pm #263329killianhookfanParticipant@Bo-Peeps You’ve figured it out!!! I’m convinced of it. That is the ONLY way Neal’s random, bizarre death and his whole “you showed me what it means to sacrifice” makes ANY sense at all.
You are totally right, they only ever needed one heart to survive. If Neal “made” Rumple sacrifice his heart for the curse than Rumple sacrificed the thing he loved most and Rumple could cast the curse (or I guess technically even Neal could have cast it). Neal was going to die anyway because the way he brought Rumple back required his life in exchange -so it is kind of like the EF version of organ donation.
April 23, 2014 at 6:13 pm #263352obisgirlParticipantWow, that is a very old article.
April 23, 2014 at 6:40 pm #263361obisgirlParticipantThe way I look at it, if Hook was meant to be a long term villain when introduced, then why bother compare and contrast him with Emma’s past relationship with Neal two episodes later?
April 23, 2014 at 8:03 pm #263367surayyaParticipantMy question is – how did she know to watch Hook. Was she spying on all of them while they were in SB and then the EF and then SB and then NL? How does the WW know that Hook is important enough to spy on? and to try and deploy counter measures against him??????
I guess she heard the same ‘rumors’ that Hook had gone hero & helped save Henry with Snowing while in NL & was fighting against Pan with them etc.
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