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I am totally with everyone saying they need to stop making Hook the whipping boy. What else does that poor man have to do to prove that he is worthy of associating with the smug high-horse Charmings? I just want him to crack and get angry and shout about everything he’s done for them. Then I want him to flounce away (mainly because I want to see that leather coat swish) and for them to come crawling back saying they need him. (Okay that might just be my fantasy) Because without him coming to get Emma they would have been stuffed. Yay for Neal. I thought that was a nice touch.
And you know what, Snowing? Hook didn’t say you sent him the message, he said he *thought* it came from you. So therefore, not a lie. And Emma, he was trying to *save* your son without having to use his luscious cursed lips to steal your magic. That was probably the best idea anyone has ever had. Remove the boy from danger, take him beyond the town limits where there is no magic and Zelena can’t touch him. You can’t be angry just because you’ve been palming your son off onto other people to look after and now you’ve conveniently realised you need him to break the curse. Yay for Regina being TLK. I liked that too.
And Grumpy did mention the idea the fairies were looking for enchanted objects. Surely he of all people should remember Hook told him the Jolly Roger was made of enchanted wood, he asked specifically about how the JR was able to travel between worlds. Actually Tink should know this too.
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ok RANT:
I seriously wanna give the Charming family a kick (except Henry). Seriously, AFTER ALL that Hook has done for your family from Neverland till now, you still think he can’t be trusted! OMG ESPECIALLY YOU PRINCE PERFECT CHARMING!!! HE SAVED YOUR FREAKING LIFE!!! ARGHHH
Emma, you are lucky that Hook is madly in love with you cause if he wasn’t, after trying to save your son (because he also loves him) without removing your powers, any guy would probably say : hey lady, I tried to save your son without removing your powers, how about a little gratitude?!” BUT HE DIDN’T DO THAT! This is one reason why I really am not into the Charming family. Even before, when Regina was showing change and love for Henry, Emma would just brush her off like she has no right to be around Henry.
Ok done venting out hahaha
I do hope that the Charmings especially David and Emma give Hook a huge I AM SO SORRY WE ARE WRONG ABOUT YOU moment. Hook deserves that, he deserves no less….
Right now, I don’t care for any TLK, I just want justice for Killy!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
T____T (My Hooker heart is hurt)
See the lack of heart thing doesn’t bother me or seem inconsistent because if you look at who it is that Regina has been able to “feel” love for they have now BOTH been established as her True Love’s – Henry and Robin Hood. Whereas Graham didn’t have a True Love so the fact that he said he couldn’t feel anything wasn’t all that surprising. But then when Emma came along I think he said something along the lines that she made him WANT to feel something again – so recognizing that there is someone you could have the possibility of love with would make you at least feel . . . something. Also take Milah – I think that Hook was her True Love and after she had her heart ripped out she still loved him, she could obviously still feel something when she told him she loved him as she said goodbye before Rumple crushed her heart.
And I never watched Once Upon a Time in Wonderland so I think it’s hard to borrow things from one show and apply them to the other since not everyone watches both shows.
Also as far as Snowing being able to share a heart, I also don’t have a problem with that because again they are a True Love couple and I think things are different when True Love is involved. And just because something is done once doesn’t mean it has to ALWAYS be done the exact same way. The fact that Snow THOUGHT of it and wanted to try it was what made it unique, just because no one thought of it before doesn’t make it unrealistic – I think it makes it a special Snowing True Love thing.
I do think Killy kind of spat back a bit this time. When everyone was accusing him of lying about the potion he got mad and fired back that SOMEONE sent him the potion, who the heck sent him the potion. I think the thing about Killy is that, especially after seeing how he feels about himself after what happened with Ariel, he UNDERSTANDS why people don’t trust him even though it kills. And he feels like, even though he WANTS he to be, he isn’t a good enough person to earned everyone’s trust yet. From his perspective he has always wanted to be completely honest with Emma but he hasn’t been able to because of his curse – but he blames he partially blames HIMSELF for the curse because of what happened with Ariel. So he feels like he has been less than honorable by not being completely honest with her. So then even though he WAS literally just acting like Henry’s dad and trying to protect him, when Emma called him on it – even though she had regressed again – HE still felt like SHE was right because there was NO WAY he COULD have told have told her what he was doing because of his curse that was, once again, partially his fault because of actions that he feels were less than honorable. And as long as Killy feels that way – he isn’t going to fire back at the Charmings because he thinks they have a right to question him. From his perspective, as long as they continue to question him HE hasn’t done enough.
I do think JMo said that Killy says something coming up like he doesn’t know why he keeps trying when the woman he loves keeps running from him or something like that. So he is obviously hurt and frustrated. And I would think especially after he tried to protect Henry, and after Emma has continually been trusting Killy with Henry. But after seeing the promo I honestly think the whole point is to have Emma drastically revert back to where she was before so that when something bad happens to Killy she panics and instinct kicks in that makes her finally admit to herself and to everyone else that she loves him. Can you imagine how Emma would react if he tells her he doesn’t know why he even tries anymore which makes him depressed and distracted and results in him getting hurt?
Okay and something I was thinking about. Emma didn’t lose it with Killian because of anything HE did. She lost it with him because he has become her SAFE PERSON and for her perspective she just became completely expendable. She lost it with him because she DOES trust him, she trusts that he will always be there.
So she had to accept that she was brought out of her perfect little NYC dream with Henry back into her SB Savior nightmare to save everyone again. She had to embrace her magic. And everything was going along just fine. Then in this episode Henry finally comfronts her like a REAL preteen boy and she snaps at him. They go to get the storybook and lo and behold SHE looks in the drawer and and it’s not there but 10 seconds later BOOM Snow finds it – Savior not needed. Then they get to the docks and find Henry. Emma hands Henry the book and he immediately gets his memory back, the book was his talisman – Savior not needed. Yay!! Henry is reunited with his OTHER mom who immediately tells him she loves him, kisses him and THE CURSE IS BROKEN – to which Emma says “It wasn’t me, it was YOU!” – Savior not needed. Then we have Henry meet, um, his new stepdad – Robin Hood “Awesome!” and Emma watches the new happy little family stroll away arms wrapped around each other, after having been his ONLY mom for a year. Not to mention that Emma has discovered that her OWN parents, the people who sent her AWAY the first time the curse was enacted, were the people who cast the darn curse THIS time which REQUIRED them to pull her OUT of her happy life to defeat the WW so that her SIBLING could be protected. So then we have poor Killy, who did the RIGHT thing by protecting HENRY when he was trying to run away. There is a psychological theory that we lash out at the people we love the most because they are our safe people – the people that we know won’t leave us and will forgive us for our misbehaviors so they unfortunately see our bad side. I think this is what happened with Emma in this episode. Emma is completely confused. She was told she was NEEDED to defeat the WW because she is the Savior and the Savior always save the say but that day she was needed for absolutely NOTHING. Then she finds out that after her son got mad at her and took off, it was Killian who ended up protecting him. In 3B Emma has been all about saying she is going back to NYC because that is what is best for Henry and she needs to protect Henry, blah, blah, blah. Well suddenly Killian was the one who had made the choice of how to ACTUALLY protect Henry when he REALLY needed protecting, and suddenly going back to NYC is no longer an option because Henry has two moms again. Emma isn’t feeling very special as either a mother OR the Savior right now, whereas ten minutes ago she was feeling on top of the world as BOTH. The easiest thing for her to do is do revert and blame those feelings on what she is used to – not being able to trust people, and whether she recognizes it or not, Killian has become her safe person so HE is the person she is going to lash out to and take it all out on.
The good news here is that since Emma so far HASN’T been needed for anything as the Savior, they appear to be setting everything up for her to really ONLY be needed to break one very important curse – Killian’s kissing curse. And it will be quite an epiphany for her if she has been hurt that she hasn’t been needed for anything yet but still chooses to risk losing her magic and risk defeating the WW in order to kiss Killian in order to save him since it looks like he is hurt in the promo. One thing I also thought of is that the WW stole the needle that Regina put the sleeping curse on. I wonder if somehow Killy gets poked with the sleeping curse. I have seen people saying that A and E said there wouldn’t be another sleeping curse, but I thought I read or heard them say somewhere that there WOULD be another sleeping curse but that it wouldn’t be who you think it would be.
Okay and something I was thinking about. Emma didn’t lose it with Killian because of anything HE did. She lost it with him because he has become her SAFE PERSON and for her perspective she just became completely expendable. She lost it with him because she DOES trust him, she trusts that he will always be there.
Yeah, I re-watched the episode and you’re pretty much spot on about Emma. She wasn’t really needed in this episode and I guess the easiest way to feel needed was to pay out on Killian for not letting her decide the best way to protect Henry. And this was just after the new family left arm in arm. So I’m going to give her the benefit of the doubt. But she was pretty awesome in saving Henry from Zelena – it reminded me of Harry Potter when Quirrel got burnt by Harry touching him because of his mother’s love. Nawwww 🙂
If one is to engage with the primordial forces of darkness, one must expect a little social awkwardness
So I re-watched the episode last night. I actually really loved the episode except for the Killy scene with the Charming family. I don’t necessarily think Emma was OOC but can the man get a break? Seriously? I can understand her being upset but she is being a huge hypocrite and I think her saying she can’t trust him anymore took it way too far. I also noticed she was inconsistent with what she called him. When Zelena first took Henry and blamed it on him Emma said something like “Hook what is she talking about?” while after Zelena was gone and she confronts him she calls him Killian. Any thoughts on why she did that?
It feels like the Charming family took on the role of the Hook Haters in the show this episode. What exactly were they accusing him of doing/lying about with regards to the message? Did they really think he could be working with Zelena to bring Emma back to Storybrooke? How does that make ANY sense when she obviously had her own plan to deal with Emma (Walsh). Instead of calmly discussing it like adults they had to assume the worst that Hook was double crossing them. I wonder if it will ever actually come out who sent the message? The only person at this point that can reveal it is Rumple and his remembrance of it is questionable as well.
After all of that I can totally see Hook “giving up” in a way. All of that progress he worked so hard to achieve with Emma was wiped away instantaneously despite him doing his best in a bad situation. Emma should be thanking her lucky stars Hook intercepted Henry while he was running away but of course that information was conveniently left out… It always felt like Henry wasn’t properly protected because Emma insisted on lying to him. Ugh I am so annoyed. I really don’t care about there not being TLK but this was such a huge unnecessary step backwards. As I said before though at least based on the promo he is still part of the group despite his lack of “trustworthiness”
If the kingdoms were separated how did Hook escape the curse?
On a positive note I do think this is all just angst for plot purposes. I don’t doubt that Hook/Emma are true loves. The payoff will be sweet once it finally happens 🙂 Hopefully we get something next week!
The promo looked intense. Looks like Zelena does get her hands on the baby and Hook is hurt somehow. Would be interesting if he gets injured protecting Emma or one of her family members. The writers have basically created the situation where Hook really can’t do anything else to prove himself to Emma aside from sacrifice his own life to save her/someone she cares for. I wonder how Dorothy plays into all this?
Theories on what happens to Killian? My bets are he jumps in front of Emma to save her from some magical attack Zelena throws.
The whole Emma doesn’t trust Killian moment was a rather cheap angst-continuing ploy. It is obviously how A&E have chosen to build up UST tension. It is just what they DO. It did a total disservice to Hook AND Emma, especially in light of the reversal of “roles” that had nicely been set up. Obviously Emma has spent the whole second half pawning Henry off on Hook and to come off as the high and mighty control freak savior/mama made her look really …self-serving ugly. But She isn’t the only victim of the creators’ convenient brain burps.
Charmings’ half hearts must have also affected their brains…because their instant turning on Hook smacked of brainless ignorance.
A&E continue to have gaping plot/character holes but that is their style of writing and story telling. They are definitely “playahs”. I think they get away with it because so far, the magic charm factor outweighs the lack of consistency of plot detail. It is most annoying but it IS their story to tell.
Their male characters also tend to fall on the submissive side of the spectrum even with all the derring -do they display. “Suckers” for true love tend to be less bully-aggressive and testosterone riddled (grin)
As annoyingly immature as the “let’s all pound on Hook” scene was it still sets up the Emma realization moment of how much he means to her and allows the two of them to have an adult true love connection without the spector of Henry looming over them. They have to have that and the promo gave us two seconds of that possibility. The promo also gave us a scarily beat up looking Hook collapsing. He HAS been beaten to a pulp emotional as well and frankly, Emma has a LOT to make up to him for it! I am hoping that is their reasoning. If not Hook should tell Emma to hit the pike! Ha!
Even with the Swan and Charmings’ blah blah blah I like the odds for an imminent meeting of the hearts for Emma and Killian as two consenting adults!
it all is still good.
yeahhhhh.
***Always in search of a good flock***
@lumee23 I didn’t even notice that she called him Hook first, I only noticed that she called him Killian!
I am guessing that mentally Emma told herself she didn’t have to “pretend” he wasn’t Captain Hook anymore (I would have to rewatch to see if this happens before or after Henry gets his memories back, but even if it is before, the kid has already seen flying monkeys and is being held captive by a green women dressed like a witch who flew in on a broomstick so she probably decided she would no longer be successful at keeping him in the dark) so she almost unconsciously called him Hook and/or since he was being presented as somewhat of a villain that was how she unconsciously addressed him. The more important part though was that later, even when she was mad at him and telling him that she couldn’t trust him she called him Killian. She really didn’t mean what she was saying, she was just using him as the person to lash out to. If she MEANT what she was saying she would call him Hook again. But she truly no longer views him as that person or as someone she can no longer trust.
They have made a big deal out of her using his real name twice now – neither time has been what we have wanted. The first was when Killy had just been cursed and it was the first time she REALLY called him Killian because Henry was out of earshot and she didn’t HAVE to call him Killian, but it was bittersweet because as much as he had been wanting to hear her say his real name he couldn’t enjoy it because he had just been cursed. Then we had last night. Again, he couldn’t enjoy it because the second time she calls him by his real name is when she is mad at him and telling him she can’t trust him – which is the MOST IMPORTANT thing with CS.
But knowing how A and E love their parallels, remember how Emma broke the curse in season 1? Right before she kissed him she said “HENRY, I love you.” Now from the promo we know something happens to Killy. It would be a great parallel and super important to Killian if the FIRST time he hears her say his real name in a positive light it is coupled with “I love you” and a TLK.
I really liked this meta. Summed up a lot of my feelings.
I am confused about the timeline!!! Help! So the curse is cast. Zelena messes with it then goes to make herself and Rumple the memory potions. Right after Neal sends the message/potion to Hook. From what was said when CS first arrived in Storybrooke it seemed like the curse JUST happened. So maybe no more than a week between Hook getting the potion, getting to Emma, making her remember (which took at least 2 days) and then getting back to Storybrooke?? Thoughts on this?
My timelines guess…?
1 month – Hook tells the Charmings he was always a pirate and takes off presumably to rebuild a crew and find the Jolly Roger
3 months – Hook has a skeleton crew doing “Land Pirating”. Meets up with Ariel and chooses his ship over heroism/love. Does not appear to believe in love.
4-12 months – ?????
~12 months – Hook gets message/potion
~12 months + a few days?? – ?????
~12 months + ~week: Hook finds Emma and believes that Emma is his TL enough to immediately try TLK. Hook has somehow separated from his crew, which resulted in them getting cursed but not him. Jolly Roger is MIA again.
I have a feeling we are only going to see Hook receiving the potion/message and doing whatever he does to get to Emma. That still leaves a huge chunk of time unrevealed and no clear reason why he went from not believing in love to believing Emma is his TL. Seems like a big leap and I don’t think his regrets over Ariel are enough of a reason for him to think TLK is going to work?
I love this show but sometimes it makes me go cross-eyed trying to figure out the timelines.
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