March 13, 2012 at 4:40 pm #138766leodiousParticipant
I think the heart probably is Kathryn’s. That would be awful, but bad things happen, and fairy tales are not just puppies and hugs. I mean, look at early versions of Red Riding Hood, like Perrault, and look what they did with it here. Gruesome and awful things do and will happen (and have happened) in the fairy tale land.
And I think that it is obvious and self-evident that the hearts are literal hearts that still have a magical connection to the person. This is magic, after all. The Evil Queen literally shoves her hand into the Huntsman’s chest and rips out his heart. That isn’t metaphorical; she is ripping out his actual, human heart. The only reason it works is magic, and the only reason Regina could kill Graham that way is that she still had his heart. I am sure she doesn’t have magic, at least not at the same level of power that she does in FTL, nor does Mr. Gold.
We know from several little things that magic does function on some level, but not to its full extent. The best recent example is Ruby’s heightened senses and Granny’s arm that hurts each full moon. So clearly werewolf affliction still exists, and affects them in some way, but Ruby isn’t turning into a wolf (at least, we have no indication that she is).
So I think Regina can either do some magic, or can work with magical artifacts from FTL, but can’t cast spells as such, or do very much. If she could, she would have done something to Emma on day one. She has to know that with what Henry believes (which she knows is true), letting an outsider mess around in town with him has got to be counter to her plans. So if she could do magic, she would have. Similarly, I think Mr. Gold can’t do magic. He doesn’t look like Rumple and there have been many occasions in which magic would have served him greatly. But neither of them ever use magic. The only magic we have seen comes straight from FTL.
So I think it’s a real heart, and it is Kathryn’s heart, and that Regina can’t do magic on her own in Storybrooke with which she could pull out Kathryn’s heart and use it for something other than framing a murder. I can’t think of a reason for the Evil Queen to have taken Abigail’s heart in FTL. If it isn’t Kathryn’s, it is Graham’s that Regina just still had after killing him.March 13, 2012 at 5:01 pm #138769miaParticipant
Regina couldn’t have Grahams heart, it was crushed to dust! If you truly believe she takes the actual hearts of people, then there’s no way she still has Graham’s.March 13, 2012 at 5:03 pm #138771leodiousParticipant
Regina couldn’t have Grahams heart, it was crushed to dust! If you truly believe she takes the actual hearts of people, then there’s no way she still has Graham’s.
That’s true. I had actually forgotten that it was destroyed during the killing. Then I can’t imagine it is anyone but Kathryn’s.
And really, that just makes sense is Regina is trying to frame Mary Margaret or if Mr. Gold is trying to force Emma to prove that it can’t be Mary Margaret and in the process start thinking there is more here than she believes now.March 13, 2012 at 5:41 pm #138776pjlshinypennyParticipant
I think the heart belongs to someone we haven’t meet yet and this could be how MM fingerprints got in the box. EQ could have showed her the box with heart in FTL and this could be why SW is trying so hard to kill her in the next episode. There is a lot more going on between those two then EQ killing SW father and trying to kill her and whatever SW did to the EQ, that might have started but the EQ has escalated it into a very no rules war. Maybe the design of the box are copies of some box SW’s mother had and the heart in the box is SW’s mother. Just throwing ideas out there; which are probable wrong, but I really want to know why they hate each other so deeply.March 13, 2012 at 7:09 pm #138781hjbauParticipant
I think it would be very interesting if it was Graham’s heart though it seems unlikely because it really seemed like the queen completely crushed it.March 14, 2012 at 1:55 am #138814iibopParticipant
I think the heart belongs to someone we haven’t meet yet and this could be how MM fingerprints got in the box. EQ could have showed her the box with heart in FTL
I do think SW left her prints on that box during her time in FTL and as far as whose heart, I doubt it’s Kathryn’s as I think we need a conclusion to Kathryn and Frederick’s storyMarch 14, 2012 at 6:40 pm #138854RumplesGirlKeymaster
I’ve been a big believer that the heart is David’s but I’ve been rethinking some things this past few days in preparation for tonight’s chat. Mainly, we know Emma sent out the heart for DNA (I presume) testing to see who’s heart it is. If it does come back as David’s then that is going to raise huge glaring neon red flags in Emma’s mind about what/who the people of SB actually are. And we know from interviews that the actress who plays Emma says her character isn’t going to start believing Henry anytime soon…SO, having a heart in a box of a man who is still alive and well goes against this. I’m slowly coming around to it being Katherine’s heart (but I think Katherine is locked in the psych basement with Belle)"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"March 14, 2012 at 8:59 pm #138858killianhookfanParticipant
I think they could easily get around the DNA issue. When they try to identify something by DNA they need to have a sample to match it to – which means they need to have something of Kathryn’s to try to match it to. If the heart doesn’t match whatever sample they have provided of Kathryn’s they will simply determine it is not Kathryn’s heart. They won’t then say “Hey, maybe it’s David’s heart. Let’s get a DNA sample from him and run it against the heart to see if it’s a match.” Emma said that there are no other missing people in Storybrooke so they would determine that the heart (if it is found to be human) must have come from someone outside of Storybrooke. They would never think to check the DNA of someone who is alive against a heart.March 14, 2012 at 11:04 pm #138860hjbauParticipant
Did the actress who plays Emma really say that her character isn’t going to believe anytime soon? Does she just mean until the end of the season so not in the next episode? Because in an interview i thought she said that there was a bit of wonder about what was going on at some point this season.March 14, 2012 at 11:52 pm #138825RumplesGirlKeymaster
Hmmm. Upon further reflection, I don’t know what she meant by that quote. Pretty sure I heard it from Paley, so I guess it could mean either this season or episodes to air very soon. Oh goody! Maybe this means that my theory about it being David’s heart still hold some weight!"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"
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