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@rumplegoldfan wrote:
Didn’t Gold give Henry to Regina? I thought that was discussed in the pilot or the second episode. Maybe I just assumed Gold was the one who gave Henry to her??
Yes, Mr. Gold did “procure” Henry for Regina…but who is the person who brought Henry from the outside world into Storybrooke? Since Mr. Gold is stuck in Storybrooke like everyone else someone had to physically get baby Henry into Storybrooke and give him to Mr Gold.
[adrotate group="5"]@rumplegoldfan wrote:
I’m still stuck on Regina saying that he seems familiar. I don’t see August seeming familiar to her as either Pinocchio or Bae.
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Maybe August is familiar to Regina for some other reason..maybe he has been in Storybrooke before? Maybe he was the one who brought Henry to Storybrooke?
I think on the finale Regina will find a way of getting Emma to leave Storybrooke..throwing her into another dimension or “forcing” her to leave in some way. When Emma entered Storybrooke in the first episode the clock started ticking and she brought “magic” back to the cursed town…so when she leaves the title makes more sense…that it becomes a “land without magic”.
I just rewatched the end of the Heart of Darkness episode(scene with Emma and Mr. Gold) and then the beginning of the Hat Trick episode(scene where Emma/Mr. Gold find that MM escaped).
Seems to me that Mr. Gold made the deal with Regina to implant the key in MM’s cell BEFORE Emma came to him for help at the end of episode 16. When he made the deal with Regina it was probably to suit his own purposes. BUT, After Emma’s visit with Mr. Gold on that same night they both head on to the Sheriff’s station…probably due to Mr. Gold’s prompting. Without Mr. Gold, Emma would probably be on her way home to rest for the night.
Now, that Emma has revealed to Mr. Gold that she wants to do “whatever it takes” to take down Regina’s charade, he’is on her side now. I mean, without Mr. Gold’s needing to visit MM that night(all of a sudden?? up to that point he was in the middle of taking inventory!!), Emma would not have found out that MM escaped in time to look for her and bring her back before the arraignment the following morning.
I definitely don’t see Rumple on Regina’s side either…right now, I think he’s siding with Emma because he knows Emma is the saviour and in this currently cursed town, Emma may have more
power than Regina if only she believed and knew how to use it. (It reminds me of Yeats in “the second coming”…[The best lack all conviction, while the worst are full of passionate intensity])He doesn’t know yet about Belle, so I wonder if he finds her and accepts her love, if that will transform him and then we can be a little more sure of which side he is “mostly” on.
@belleoftheball wrote:
And we have no idea it wasn’t Rumples idea for the hatter to find the escaped MM. He could have tipped him off and we don’t know it yet.
And Belleofthe ball…You brought a very interesting question…Really who told the Mad Hatter that
Emma was the saviour? I mean, I know he has knowledge of his FTL self..but only Mr. Gold and Henry really know who Emma is. Did Mr. Gold orchestrate this whole mad hatter encounter to get hold of this magical hat? Who got the magical hat in the end anyway?@hjbau wrote:
I don’t know. I feel like if Rumpel’s only goal was to beat the queen he would just kill her. I think there has to be more to it then that.
I don’t think that rumple would directly kill someone at this point. He seems very keen on the “eye for an eye” idea, and the “price of magic” thing. If he chose to kill with magic without making a deal
there might be a price to pay for that as well. 😆@darcyfarrow wrote:
If this curse really did put an end to all other curses, perhaps Rumple thought that would make it impossible for EQ and others like her to destroy people again; it would also make him a human again; and it would mean people would have to turn to each other instead of magic to solve problems. All around, it seems to be a good deal for everyone if magic is replaced by free will and love.
Darcyfarrow, you’re right that the “curse” made Rumple “human” again. This makes me think now of how his son was scared of him when he turned into the dark one…so now, he’s found a way to reverse his own curse? Was that his intent? But, why would he want the curse to be broken and want to know Emma’s name in the first place? Questions leading to questions, which is why I love this series 😆
I think when you ask why rumpel wanted the curse to happen, you have to ponder why would rumpel create a curse that he didn’t enact himself. This might have something to do with one of the major premises of OUAT: “All magic comes with a price”.
Since we’ve learned from rumpel that this is indeed a powerful curse, then it must have powerful repercussions for the person who enacts it. I think Rumpel has his own agenda, and the evil queen enacted the curse, unknowingly “helped” him and put herself at a precarious position when the price of this magic comes back on her.
Then, the question that comes is just what is Rumpel’s agenda? I think he might be using the curse to bring back someone he loves, either Baelfire or Belle. Since episode 19 centers around Rumpel’s relationship with Baelfire there might be some clues there…
When you look up the name “balefire” it can give some more clues: When a target is struck with “balefire” the target’s existence is completely erased by destroying a pattern, erasing events chronologically in reverse. Balefire can even bring people back from the dead, or rather, prevent them from dying in the first place.
We know time was frozen in storybrooke, and then moves forward with Emma’s arrival. But, what if the clock started ticking backwards so that Rumpel can bring back his loved one? In the price of gold episode he said you can’t resurrect people…but can you force time backwards and undo certain unwanted events?
@hjbau wrote:
I don’t think that Rumpel wanted to answer Regina though. And i don’t think he wants things out in the open because he said that he wanted things to go back to the way they were.
When Rumple tells Regina to “remember how things used to be” I think he means in fairy tale land. He wants to remind Regina that he still has the upper hand and is still more powerful than her in storybrooke just as he was more powerful than her in fairy tale land.
I don’ think Rumple wanted Ella’s baby to give to Belle, because I think the Cinderella story is what got Rumple in prison and in the state he was in during the Pilot and second episode. So…Cinderella probably happened post belle. But I’m really curious about why he’s trying to get all these fairy wands…on “The Shepard” episode he’s seen making a deal with the King in order to obtain yet another fairy wand.
As for why he’s wanting babies. I agree that he probably won’t hurt a baby..maybe he was lonely after Belle left.
