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December 7, 2015 at 2:15 am in reply to: 5×11“SWAN SONG” FAVORITE & LEAST FAVORITE MOMENTS and DIALOGUE #313780
-Everything Zelena, except the suddenness of her departure
-Regina: “So I hear we’re giving up?” (This was overheard in the writers’ room and picked up as an actual line. :P)
-Rumple’s selflessness in sparing Belle’s feelings by sending her away
-Emma back to being Emma
-Performances of our favorites, despite the material they were working with
-Everything else, including:
-Lack of established character motivations
-Lack of established plot mechanics enabling what was done via magic
-Ruination of the few things I liked with un-foreshadowed twists at the end
-Gutted result of all-season tension building, as I’d predicted
-The ghost town that is Storybrooke … some extras might add a little something to the production and the stakes
-Apparent all-dogs-go-to-hell worldview, robbing all people everywhere of all hope
-Charmings giving up
-GOING TO THE UNDERWORLD
-“” TO BRING BACK THE DEAD[adrotate group="5"]
So, if this kid avoided the curse, then he’s what, 40 now? And if he was frozen in the curse, he’s like 12 or something? I don’t know where that leads. *shrug* SFG
I still think he’s Arthur somehow, but then I don’t even try to consider the timeline anymore. When Hook’s father was found I was like “hey, he looks like he hasn’t aged.” It didn’t occur to me just how long it had been until they said it. I actually would prefer to always be thinking about the timeline, but … .
How does Mark Isham still have a job?
Ah, the question that I’m always asking myself.
The question I ask at least once a seasonal arc….
Everytime I ask myself this question, I go back and listen to the Snow Queen’s Sacrifice Music and remember.
YES. I still think of that music from time to time.
Here on Forgotten Character Isle!
Now THAT is a show I’d like to see. Not this one we have.
The sad part is, we used to have this show. Then they decided to do that stupid two-arc season thing, and we lost our lower-decks episodes.
“Lower-decks.” Nice ref. 😉
I was in favor of the mini seasons. It’s supposed to make it easier to tell a tighter story without dragging things out. Works on many other shows, though to be fair they usually have the restraint to ONLY make 13 episodes or so for an entire season.
The only thing that I can think of a way for Zelena to come back into the story at the moment is that she figures that everyone is in the Underworld and ends up killing herself so that she can join them. But even that doesn’t make sense because she wants to get the baby – not join everyone else down there.
By the time we get to season 7 several more people will have killed themselves and then used a loophole to get where they needed to go via the underworld. 😛
You guys have come up with far more interesting theories than I could have. I still hate the premise. Frankly, I’m tired of getting what “might be fun to see” instead of a well-woven story.November 30, 2015 at 7:49 pm in reply to: FAVORITE AND LEAST FAVORITE MOMENTS IN 5×10 “ BROKEN HEART ” #313272
Ummmm…I’m confused….How did Emma’s family fail her??????!!!! Not to mention that Emma told them in the season premiere that they had to pay for doing what they did to her? Was there an issue in the writing room, were they undecided on what occurred in Camelot, because if you watch the earlier part of the season, you’d think the family had burned Hook at the stake how Emma was acting all “Dark One and you must suffer”.
Sadly, I’m fairly certain at this point that when they wrote the premiere they didn’t know completely how they would connect the dots. Emma waving her hand and having everyone appear all sprawled out on the floor of Granny’s screamed “we ran out of time to get them all into the positions they woke up in! Quick! Magic it!”
I’m not so familiar with Natalie Dormer, but I must say I could be convinced that she and Sarah Bolger are sisters.
My vote for Elsa was inspired by the TV Guide staffer who wrote their interview with Eddie and Adam (Once Upon a Time Postmortem: Is Elsa the Big Season 4 Villain?): Elizabeth Mitchell! She’s probably a little older than the Elsa we saw in Frozen, but who knows where this is in Elsa’s timeline. Given the dress, I’d say it’s after the story from the movie, so maybe it works for her to be a little older. I love Elizabeth Mitchell in anything, and look!
It is mostly up to Snow, I agree. But I think what Rumple said is bad advice. Talking yourself into thinking it was the right thing to do? That is exactly what a lot of people do to justify things regardless of what anyone else is saying, main point is to make yourself feel better, it’s very selfish. Yes, might be a way to live with yourself again, but as I see it is a good choice to go further down the road of evil. It changes your ethics, at worst seriously corrupts your own ethical standards.
As to why this killing is so troubling, there are a few things to consider. I was one of the ones saying that this was war and the only way to stop Cora was to kill her. David even said that he himself had no problem with Cora dying, but not by Snow’s hand (not sure I agree there) and not out of vengeance.
Problem #1: vengeance. Snow’s heart motive was wrong.
Problem #2: Snow compromised her standards further by using dark magic—the very same dark magic that she refused to use to save her own mother.
Problem #3: Snow could have given Cora a chance at changing with her heart in place. This wasn’t revealed to us until we saw Snow with Regina. Once Snow knew that Cora didn’t have her heart, she came up with a very reasonable explanation as to why she was the way she was. Everything Snow said to Regina turned out to be true, and had she done exactly as she did without cursing the heart, Cora would have stopped and loved Regina. Yes, she’s committed unspeakable crimes, and yes, she might still be a problem in the future, but in keeping with Snow’s character this is the route she should have taken. Rumpel would have died, but this was not a truly acceptable way of saving his life.
As to whether Snow can come back … of course she can. Regina’s analyses of most life issues are simplistic and hopeless, regardless of the truth.