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I find it unlikely, if possible, that Gold buried the box.
But I really think it is evident that neither he nor Regina can do magic like they could in FTL. I think they can only use magical artifacts they have, such as Regina with Graham’s heart. I think that is why Gold is collecting artifacts, because they have power, and he doesn’t. I think if either he or Regina could do magic to any appreciable level, we’d have seen some indication by now.
Even so, I don’t think this is something Gold would do. He works in elaborate schemes and debt to control people, to make people think they are doing what they want, when they are really doing what he needs. Regina is the one who uses force and more direct forms of blackmail, extortion, and threats. If Gold were stealing them, it would be just to prevent Regina using them, and that doesn’t work as a narrative, in my opinion.
[adrotate group="5"]@mia wrote:
Regina couldn’t have Grahams heart, it was crushed to dust! If you truly believe she takes the actual hearts of people, then there’s no way she still has Graham’s.
That’s true. I had actually forgotten that it was destroyed during the killing. Then I can’t imagine it is anyone but Kathryn’s.
And really, that just makes sense is Regina is trying to frame Mary Margaret or if Mr. Gold is trying to force Emma to prove that it can’t be Mary Margaret and in the process start thinking there is more here than she believes now.
First, I want to make it clear that red doesn’t keep wolves away. Granny just said that to get Red to wear her hood. The hood was magical, and that was what kept her from turning. We have no reason to believe the color matters at all.
Frankly, and I mean no offense, I think this idea is as silly as August being future Henry. There is just no way. There is absolutely no way Prince Charming is a wolf. Zero possibility.
If there was any reason for parallel, which I doubt, I think it would be that David is, for whatever reason, getting some of James coming out somehow. He is remembering something, or like a wolf, that part of him is taking over. Mary Margaret did say he looked like another person. I mean, obviously James and David are the same person, really, but in some very real ways they are not. I think it is just his fake SB cursed self and his real FTL self are warring in his subconscious.
I had never considered this possibility. If he was, why? I doubt it is his heart, because that would give Regina far, far too much power over him and Mary Margaret. If it is Kathryn’s, then maybe something happened in FTL and he is Charming looking for Abigail’s heart. I doubt that, though.
This is an interesting theory, and explains why they show us David’s problem again in this episode, before they find the box, but I don’t think this is the case. I think the box was planted by Either Regina or Mr. Gold in an attempt to either frame Mary Margaret or accomplish something else. Mr. Gold may want to force Emma’s hand, and make her look deeper into what is going on. But I still just think it is Regina framing Mary Margaret.
I think the heart probably is Kathryn’s. That would be awful, but bad things happen, and fairy tales are not just puppies and hugs. I mean, look at early versions of Red Riding Hood, like Perrault, and look what they did with it here. Gruesome and awful things do and will happen (and have happened) in the fairy tale land.
And I think that it is obvious and self-evident that the hearts are literal hearts that still have a magical connection to the person. This is magic, after all. The Evil Queen literally shoves her hand into the Huntsman’s chest and rips out his heart. That isn’t metaphorical; she is ripping out his actual, human heart. The only reason it works is magic, and the only reason Regina could kill Graham that way is that she still had his heart. I am sure she doesn’t have magic, at least not at the same level of power that she does in FTL, nor does Mr. Gold.
We know from several little things that magic does function on some level, but not to its full extent. The best recent example is Ruby’s heightened senses and Granny’s arm that hurts each full moon. So clearly werewolf affliction still exists, and affects them in some way, but Ruby isn’t turning into a wolf (at least, we have no indication that she is).
So I think Regina can either do some magic, or can work with magical artifacts from FTL, but can’t cast spells as such, or do very much. If she could, she would have done something to Emma on day one. She has to know that with what Henry believes (which she knows is true), letting an outsider mess around in town with him has got to be counter to her plans. So if she could do magic, she would have. Similarly, I think Mr. Gold can’t do magic. He doesn’t look like Rumple and there have been many occasions in which magic would have served him greatly. But neither of them ever use magic. The only magic we have seen comes straight from FTL.
So I think it’s a real heart, and it is Kathryn’s heart, and that Regina can’t do magic on her own in Storybrooke with which she could pull out Kathryn’s heart and use it for something other than framing a murder. I can’t think of a reason for the Evil Queen to have taken Abigail’s heart in FTL. If it isn’t Kathryn’s, it is Graham’s that Regina just still had after killing him.
@slurpeez108 wrote:
@ Leodious: I think that scene of Prince Charming & Red Riding Hood in episode, What Happened to Frederick was simply what happened right before the same scene in episode 10 7:15 left off.
I agree that it’s what happened, it’s rather obvious. What happened in WHtF is just what happened right after 7:15, but in 7:15 it is shot such that it appears as if James is leaving.
I think the way it was shot and set up is meant to imply that the book August remade and gave to Emma includes new information. We saw it differently the first time because the original book did not include what happened after.
I don’t know if this has been mentioned before, but I am thinking they wanted to make it clear August added to the book, and added stories of what really happened and is not trying to mislead Henry or Emma. (As an aside, I think he is trying open her eyes to what is really going on.)
In episode ten, “7:15 a.m.,” near the end, James encounters Red who tells him Snow is gone, and it appears then as if he turns to ride off directly after.
Then, as soon as Henry gets his book back in “What Happened to Frederick,” we focus on the book and fade to the same scene, but there is more too it, and Red ends up riding away from soldiers. This is an extended version of the same scene, and it implies that the new version of the book contains the longer version with more story.
I know the first scene was cut both for time and because the focus wasn’t on that part of the story, but on Snow drinking the anti-love potion, but I think a secondary purpose was to set us up for the scene in which the book includes new information, as a clue. I think this because we didn’t need that scene at all before seeing Snow and Grumpy in her bedroom. We just needed to see him leaving to find her.
This this is a not-too-subtle way of showing us the remade book includes new and/or extended information and maybe entirely new stories. I don’t know who August is or why he would do this, but it makes sense that’s what he is doing, especially as we saw him varnishing papers, which would imply he was making new pages.
