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MatthewPaul
ModeratorThis is what former co-founder of TVByTheNumbers, Bill Gorman, had to say about that article under his current TVGrimReaper persona:
Weak minded is the new black. RT @neilscully: Oh dear. Looks like the #prjedi have got to this site now too. https://t.co/byDKdU0Lnd
— TV Grim Reaper (@TVGrimReaper) November 7, 2015
The weak minded herd instinct of the TV media under the mind tricks of the #PRJedi in all the “No shows yet canceled!” stories is amazing.
— TV Grim Reaper (@TVGrimReaper) November 7, 2015
Shows stopped being pulled off the air en masse over the last decade because nets don’t have the $ for replacements.
— TV Grim Reaper (@TVGrimReaper) November 7, 2015
The fact that shows are being cut down from 13 eps more often this season vs. letting all 13 run out is a tiny change vs. the recent past.
— TV Grim Reaper (@TVGrimReaper) November 7, 2015
Yet the #PRJedi have the TV media mind tricked into thinking it’s some sort of “new paradigm”, the weak minded fools.
— TV Grim Reaper (@TVGrimReaper) November 7, 2015
The “cut the ep order” uptick is almost certainly due to better contract terms for the nets which make the cuts economical vs. earlier.
— TV Grim Reaper (@TVGrimReaper) November 7, 2015
Keep that in mind when you hear all the nonsense being written about the episode cuts by the TV media.
— TV Grim Reaper (@TVGrimReaper) November 7, 2015
[adrotate group="5"]MatthewPaul
ModeratorI said this in the fav/least fav threads: it’s a cup, with crosses, in Arthurian mythology/with Arthurian characters, and being called The Holy Grail. All that combined means it’s the Holy Grail. There aren’t multiple Holy Grails. It’s a unique item. They aren’t making a unique interpretation; they are taking VAST liberties with a relic in order to force it into the narrative because everyone knows that the Grail is *the* quest object in Arthurian mythology.
If they wanted just some Greek/polytheistic relic to bestow immortality, have Merlin drink some Ambrosia/Nectar from an sort of cup. Easy peasy. We know Greek gods exist in this world. We’ve established that and it’s a nice way to combine the Arthurian mythology and Greek myth, which we’ve been doing all season and is what you’re actually suggesting they are doing here–except for the the object, the narrative, and the situations reads.
Having THE Holy Grail (whatever “unique interpretation” you want to fan wank, it was very clearly supposed to be THE Grail) is super problematic because it raises so many FREAKING questions and issues. I have no problem with there being a magical cup in OUAT and, more specifically, in Arthurian mythology, but to call it THE Holy Grail is incredibly problematic because it suggests that Jesus existed in and had the same influence on the Enchanted Forest as he did in our very real world.
Christianity is not sui generis; it did not form in a vacuum completely devoid of outside forces and therefore could equally form in another universe. What outside forces you ask? Judaism, for one. Polytheism for another. History between those two forces, for a third. All of that (and so much more) led to the rise of apocalyptic Judaism and, eventually, to a preacher named Jesus who roamed around ancient Galilee, trying to tell people that times were ending. This is to say nothing of the apostle Paul who is responsible for Christianity going out to the Gentiles where it really took root (Jewish-Christianity fading away as the city of Jerusalem burned). If any of that–Judaism, Greco-Roman culture, the interaction between the two, and Paul–happened in the Enchanted Forest, then we’ve never seen it nor heard of it. And, like I keep saying, Jesus was not a realm jumper.
I think this goes into the further complicated question of why FTL and these other realms exist at all in the OUAT universe. Why were the events of these realms unfolding many years after our own versions of the stories were written? Why did the Darlings live in the real Land Without Magic London instead of one of the “Fictional Londons”? Why are historical characters like Blackbeard in FTL? Mulan and Robin Hood are considered legends that could be based on real historical people, but there’s no doubt that Blackbeard (Edward Teach) was a very real person. Why do these realms just so happen to share the same spoken languages that exist in our world? Just like you mentioned with religion, each language “did not form in a vacuum completely devoid of outside forces.”
It’s probably way too deep for this show to ever explore, when the real world continues to question and debate the meaning of life. The closest answer we’ll likely ever get was when Isaac talked about these worlds as simply “realms of storytelling.” We’re both thinking deeper about this than the writers clearly are. *head explodes*
MatthewPaul
Moderator1000 years before the age of Arthur is roughly 500 B.C.
Guess what wasn’t around in 500 BC?
If you said either Jesus or the Holy Grail, you are correct.
Fast and loose is one thing. This is bizzaro world where down is up and up is down.
Here’s something about the Holy Grail that needs to be considered. They never outright said it was the same Holy Grail that Jesus apparently drank from. I mean, Merlin said it was from “the Gods”, implying that this particular Holy Grail wasn’t even given by a monotheistic God that Christianity is known for. So this could be an alternate unique interpretation of the Holy Grail that exists specifically in FTL, and is not the same as the traditional Holy Grail as we know it. In fact, they combined the Holy Grail with the concept of Elixir of Life from other stories: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elixir_of_life. This grail could be from the Gods of Greek mythology for all we know, given all the ties to it this Season.
MatthewPaul
ModeratorHow did she even know how to do that…?
I guess because magic is emotion? She felt like wanting to rip out and crush out Vortigan’s heart, so it just happened like that? Also, it seems like Dark Ones don’t need intense training in order to perform magic like say Regina did, but rather just inherit the knowledge instinctively. The same would apply to Merlin, if that’s the case.
MatthewPaul
ModeratorSteady as she goes…I predict staying mostly steady for the rest of the arc. We might dip down to a 1.4 (MAAAAAYBE a 1.3) but mostly, this is where we are for the remainder of Camelot
Next week will be interesting, because of the 2 back to back episodes. I should note that whenever we get 2 hours, they average out the rating for the full 2 hours combined rather than individually. We could dip a little, because 509 is airing directly against The Walking Dead. I wouldn’t worry too much, as that didn’t seem to be a huge issue when the 2nd half of Smash the Mirror aired against it last year. We only have 2 more weeks of 5A after that.
MatthewPaul
ModeratorWait did I miss something.
When Nimue drank from the grail…. Did she just become immortal? Or did she become a second sorcerer (sorceress?) because I recall Merlin said that killing Vortigun will “turn her magic dark” and at that point I don’t recall Nimue ever having used magic.
She used dark magic to rip out Vortigan’s heart and then crushed it.
November 9, 2015 at 6:07 pm in reply to: Buzzfeed 11/9 – Here’s Everything We Know About Merlin On “Once Upon A Time” #312050MatthewPaul
ModeratorHere’s what I found the most intriguing from this interview:
“There’s definitely is a link between Hook and Merlin that will be explored a little further. I can’t say when, but there is something there to explore. Maybe we’ll have some pirate adventures.”
“You’re going to see so much more (of Merlin and Emma’s relationship). Like, you don’t even know.”
“There’s definitely more to come of her (Nimue). I don’t know what they’re going to include of what was filmed, but I know that there is definitely more to her path.”
MatthewPaul
ModeratorDecember 6th, I believe. https://t.co/ftGqwOMwHu
— Adam Croasdell (@ACroasdell) November 9, 2015
MatthewPaul
ModeratorHappy Monday! Good news – Once Upon a Time will be filming in Richmond on Friday, November 13th! The details are as follows:
Thursday, November 12th – crews will be preparing Steveston from 7am to 7pm.
Friday, November 13th – scenes will be filmed behind the Gulf of Georgia Cannery from 11am to 2pm. Then from 2pm to 5am there will be scenes filmed along Moncton Street (First Ave to Third Ave will be closed for filming).
Saturday, Novemeber 14th – crews will remove any set pieces and equipment from the area from 7am to 7pm.Source: https://www.facebook.com/RealStorybrooke/posts/442934809227197
MatthewPaul
Moderatorhttp://tvbythenumbers.zap2it.com/2015/11/09/tv-ratings-sunday-nov-8-2015/
We remain steady at a 1.5 and 4.85 million total viewers.
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