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MysteryKat25Participant
Aww, I love Inigo as well (and I can see that too now that you mention it).
I think since he’s not supposed to be like any of the things that I actually relate him to but rather just a nod to them (Captain Jack Sparrow, Westley, etc etc) that he probably gets a few traits here, a few traits there that are reminiscent of things like Princess Bride.
Overall they do a great job of turning things on their ears and changing them up in really cool ways, sometimes combining things you never thought possible so it could be really fun if it’s somehow a merged Inigo and Westley type character. Maybe he learned how to swordfight from a Spaniard who was ___-bent on revenge!
[adrotate group="5"]Keeper of Hook's Trenchcoat.
MysteryKat25ParticipantLots of storylines for sure!
I don’t want Neal dead, especially not yet. It just wouldn’t give CaptainSwan any credibility at all if he dies. It’s bad enough they may think he’s dead and bond over that (bonding is good) but if they actually start something we’ll never hear the end of him being her 2nd choice and only with him because Neal’s “dead.”
If she starts something with Hook and then Neal comes back and she just goes back, it’ll crush Hook and it’ll destroy any hope of CaptainSwan. I could see Emma taking a time-out and not really dating anybody (and let’s face it, something massive will be going on so she can focus on that and avoid her personal life anyway), but Neal dying is definitely NOT the way to get what we want.
I agree that it would teach Rumple a lesson, but I’m kind of hoping that if he at least thinks for a long time that his son is dead, maybe once he gets over the shock and grief it’ll wake him up and then maybe, just maybe, when he gets him back he’ll just be grateful instead of going off the deep end.
I want a nice slow burn for CaptainSwan so it can be taken seriously. Even making Neal look dead isn’t helping our cause any unless it gives Emma & Hook moments to become FRIENDS first since they both seemingly cared about him (I really hope Hook & Bae had a good relationship). Then they’ll at least be close when Neal comes back into the picture. If Emma & Neal try to get back together, that even doesn’t mean that it will happen long term. Neal believes in destiny and fate and all of that but Emma is tired of being manipulated and controlled her entire life. Just remember / keep in mind that it’s ok for SF to happen for a bit so that she can truly close that chapter in her life before moving on to Hook. I think he of all people would understand because of the Milah stuff and I do think he had / would like to have a good relationship with Bae.
All of that said…I also realllly want his quote to come back into play at some point and for him to do what he suggests of others. “A man unwilling to fight for what he wants deserves what he gets.” – the only time we’ve seen Neal “fight” for Emma is when Rumple was yelling at her (and I love that moment, I really did). Overall though, as sweet as it is that he wanted her to get her family back and be happy and that he didn’t think she’d forgive him etc etc….he still defended Tamara, planned to marry her even after seeing Emma be jealous (and laughing at her for it) AND he only really fights with her, not for her.
I think it could be VERY interesting to see how Hook, Emma, and Neal interact just the 3 of them after we’ve learned the Hook and Bae backstory. Neal may start fighting for her now that she’s back in his life and they’ve said the things that they’ve said, but Hook is the one who gets the woman that she is today better than anybody. Neal and the rest have her on this pedestal and I don’t see her being OK with that. She’s one to push the envelope and she wants to be the one who decides who she is and what she does, not anybody else. Neal is huge on fate and destiny but Emma? Not so much. She’s more like Belle in wanting to decide her own fate.
Neal even said that had he known she was from FTL he wouldn’t have gone near her! What a slap in the face! This is why I need them to talk. I know that he does love her and all but he has a really lousy way of showing it sometimes. In Manhattan when she poured her heart out to him about loving him and being hurt by it all he just said that it was destiny and listened to Pinocchio. He never said it back then! It took Tamara turning on him (after he yelled at everybody saying he was going to marry her and that Emma was wrong) and shooting him and trying to send him through another portal for him to even admit it.
I want the cowardly side of Bae to go away frankly. I’m sick of it. I know he’s Rumple’s son but he also seems to really recognize the things that Rumple has done wrong so that he can do a better job of them himself (ie: be a dad). I adore young Bae. Last season when people suggested the idea of SwanFire I was totally on board! I like MRJ, Neal seems sweet, but I can’t get over how many stupid mistakes he’s been making!
On the plus side, though I can see the other side of things and am torn at moments myself, I still believe in the foundation they have given CaptainSwan just as much as any other romance on the show. Whether people want to admit it or not, the parallels are there, the setup is there…they just better deliver on it.
I will settle for backups, especially if there is at LEAST a CaptainSwan friendship because I love Hook so much, but those two really do play well off each other and it just jumps off the screen. Younger Emma may have wanted sweet, confused Neal but she’s been through so much already (a lot of it because of him…) that I think older more mature Emma may just make a different choice.
Parallels are there for a reason and both ships are viable because both parallel Snowing, but I think the key here is that CS was paralleled to SF…which was in the past. One must confront the past and move on from it – an issue that Emma & Hook clearly have in common.
If the Bae is Peter theory is right, even if Hook and Bae get along…they could still have massive fights over Emma, making that one very interesting triangle indeed!
I am however hopeful after what I’ve been seeing & hearing that we’ll at least get some moments to hold us over to S3!
Keeper of Hook's Trenchcoat.
MysteryKat25Participant@HappyEndings wrote:
@KFChimera wrote:
Hm I hadn’t thought of Lake Nostros! That could be it, but they’ll just have to work in a visit to a Max who performs miracles another time then!
Who is Max ❓
Miracle Max is Billy Crystal’s character in The Princess Bride. He’s the one they go to when Westley is barely alive and they need his help to revive him.
Astrawoid – excellent idea! Mulan was there because Hook saved Aurora’s heart and tossed it to her and then she ran off to go give it back to Aurora while Snow & Emma went through the portal so she knows what the lake is capable of (well, as much as any of the rest of us do), but didn’t Aurora also have a plan of some kind to save Phillip rather than Mulan having one? Hmm…perhaps it ends up as a combination of both?
Keeper of Hook's Trenchcoat.
May 11, 2013 at 12:19 am in reply to: OUAT’s Micheal Raymond James Teases Wormhole Destination #192987MysteryKat25Participant@RumplesGirl wrote:
I…just want ONCE to be around for a long time. That’s my whole argument.
Ditto (and I would hope that’s also something that we can ALL agree on!) I don’t want anything going too quickly. It’s already the end of S2 (ahhhhhh how did that happen?!?) but endgame is a long way off. If anything happens too fast for anybody there won’t be much more story with them more than likely. It’s about the journey, not the destination, and the longer the journey the better! (Not to mention a better payoff in the end…I hope!)
Hmm, guess my mice decided to take a break. Finally had a shorter response for something today! 😉
Keeper of Hook's Trenchcoat.
MysteryKat25Participant@Surayya wrote:
Latest Hook centric sneak peek http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AxfJuRoz-vg
😯 No Hook, step away from the darkside 😉 I'd bet all the cookies in the forum, this is before he figures out Bae is… well, Bae. I cant wait to see his conflict over giving Bae up, using Bae as revenge on Rumple & keeping Bae safe because of his love for Milah (although if he's smart he'd combine his love & revenge, by stepping in as a father figure for Bae, Bae has someone who cares & looks out for him + Hook get's Rumple's son- win, win 😉 )
After I picked my jaw up off the floor…I decided that this sneak came BEFORE the one where he actually talks to Bae and realizes that he is Milah's son. The promo pics for the episode point to Hook hiding Bae, not handing him over. I think there were other pics where Bae does end up with the lost boys in a boat but a) I am unclear on that part and b) I think Hook will at least try, and possibly fail, to protect him and eventually manage to do so. Whatever it is will parallel with Henry I'm sure, and we know Bae has to get back to Hook sometime right? To learn how to drive the ship, and swordfight etc etc…I hope!
And I agree, he has to and it looks like he will, go against GOAT. Bring on the Charming Hook bromance as they fight side-by-side!
Keeper of Hook's Trenchcoat.
MysteryKat25ParticipantLOL, I too was thinking of Princess Bride earlier….only thinking that if we get the Killian backstory I really feel like it will be like Westley & Dread Pirate Roberts – he’s been giving me that vibe all season.
I really want to see that he was more of a farm boy but maybe bored by it or something so went off to seek adventure, or was kidnapped by pirates and eventually took over the crew. I’ve often thought it would be a lovely parallel to Charming (one of many) but not sure we’d get actual “farm boy” just because I don’t think they really want him to be TOO close to being Westley, but I could totally see it.
BUT I can see why the SwanFire people are the “death cannot stop true love” thing for SwanFire so it goes both ways.
Personally if one wants to argue that Hook and Milah were true loves (and I do believe he loved her greatly) then that would work too since he spent centuries trying to avenge her (not the fact that he lost his hand, but that his love was killed) I could see that working for him as well. (Not to discount him loving again as I still believe the setup is there for CaptainSwan as well; after all Daniel told Regina to love again so it is possible to love again in the OUAT universe. I also haven’t counted anybody as true love until they’ve been put through the TLK breaking a curse test / product of true love test etc, but I can see why some would think that regardless).
Either way….I think we can all agree that we love two things regardless of which side of the ship we’re on:
1) Tallahassee
2) Princess BrideAs for the powers of Lake Nostos – that would be an interesting tie-in. I’m not quite sure what it’s powers are at this point, it seems to vary. Hmm…
Keeper of Hook's Trenchcoat.
May 11, 2013 at 12:07 am in reply to: OUAT’s Micheal Raymond James Teases Wormhole Destination #192978MysteryKat25Participant@RumplesGirl wrote:
Excellent post, Kat. And I have a question. Do you have magical mice who type for you??? Because in the two minutes it took me to type a response in another thread you composed a mini well written essay and I am beginning to suspect that you have some magical potion that allows you to type faster than the average human.
Rofl because that’s exactly the opposite of how I feel sometimes! Usually by the time I’ve typed out one of my long posts every time I go to view it (to check for proper spoiler tags etc.) there are like…5 more posts!
I like the idea of magical mice though…where can I get some?? Magic potion would be nice too but what would Rumple charge me is the question…do I get a discount for liking him & RumBelle? Cause that would be lovely…
I do tend to type fast and I’m a writer (or trying to be) hence my long, rambling posts sometimes but I notice that if I’m super passionate about something I tend to type faster (I should seriously just get very angry at my novel and I’d have a book in two days, I swear it!). I think in some cases I’m either very upset about something or I’m very insistent on an idea.
In the case of this particular thread….I’m very passionate about the idea of not reading too much into ANYTHING. We’re so close to the finale and super on edge as you’ve mentioned…somewhere, (I’ve lost track now with all the threads going!) and we’re all grasping at every little detail we can get and sometimes people answer in a way that makes sense coming from them and what they know and how they feel about it which is great and gives us something…but we’ve also been led astray too many times. And by “we” I mean ALL of us because everybody has a favorite character / pairing etc. and we’re all looking for answers and every answer we get gives us hope…and then the next one dashes it…and then the next one gives us hope…and then something comes out that completely contradicts it again!
This is a show about hope and we should all certainly have it (and I really am super happy for the SwanFire people that you feel you have gotten some confirmation and have a TON of hope right now – that’s great!). I just worry that because we have a long break coming up, we’ll hold on to something that was said by somebody, anybody that we have a HUGE reason to keep hoping and that can be dangerous.
Personally I love the show overall. I love a lot of the characters, I’m interested in most of their journeys (basically just wipe out GOAT and I’d be happy for the most part), and the only reason I’ve gotten to the point where I’m super passionate about a ship (and most of the time defend that a bit more to play devil’s advocate because there are so many around here who think it’s impossible and I don’t like to rule anything out until necessary…) is because they’ve given me REASON to hope for it.
A lot of that stuff comes from interviews, hints at PaleyFest etc and it’s a dangerous thing because you’re essentially being told “we see what you see, things are set up a certain way, keep watching, you might really like what we have coming up if you like this ship, yada yada yada” and say, well I guess it’s safe because there are hints that we’re on to something! Only to be slapped in the face with the next bout of interviews etc promoting a conflicting ship because they get more screentime and really, in some cases, it’s whoever is on screen right then is a favorite – that happens all the time, especially when somebody can be legitimately torn in a triangle, I do that sometimes watching various things when the screentime is way more balanced). It goes back and forth, it really does and we’re ALL left holding on to whatever quotes we can get our hands on to backup whatever is that WE want to see (which is different for everyone).
It’s easy to twist the quotes and make it seem like Emma ends up with just about anyone! They set her up so perfectly to fit into a fairy tale environment with her story that there were compelling arguments to be made for just about every guy that’s ever hit on her, even if they ended up disappearing rather quickly and we’re now down to two (I don’t think they’ll add any more than that, although you never know. The fandom is already divided up enough as it is!). Didn’t they hint at one point that August could be a potential suitor? And they set up the two FTL kids, separated, brought back together storyline for them too until they changed directions and then said they were more like siblings. Things change.
I just don’t want ANY Oncer to feel like they were lied to, especially when in many cases the people we are getting the information from just DO NOT KNOW! We all have our own viewing filters…imagine being them and having to actually pretend to be that person and believe in everything they’re believing in in that moment. That means thinking like them which can change their viewing filter too.
The way I see it right now is the fandom (the part that cares about SwanFire vs CaptainSwan) are pretty much split 50/50. Somebody, no matter what happens, WILL be upset, but we have been given reason to hope for both outcomes and a lot of that does come from interviews. We just need to take an objective look at everything, even when we are having lots of feelings and desperately need a quote-shaped life raft to hold onto to keep our sanity. It’s better than throwing tantrums later with “they saiddddddddd” and not understanding what just happened.
Truly sorry if that bursts any bubbles, I enjoy quotes just as much as the next person and they do give me hope. I just hope they don’t give me TOO much hope only to pull the rug out from under me, or any other Oncer.
Keeper of Hook's Trenchcoat.
May 10, 2013 at 11:46 pm in reply to: OUAT’s Micheal Raymond James Teases Wormhole Destination #192963MysteryKat25ParticipantAll I will say on this is that MRJ said he feels that Emma is the love of NealFire’s life (she probably is, up to this point especially). He didn’t say he got it from H&K, he didn’t say it was official official, he said that’s how it was in his head when he was filming it. It’s the way the direction was given to film that or whatever additional actorly stuff got him to that point. In his mind, he got into the head of someone who had to let go of the love of his life.
He said in a later interview that he wasn’t painting anybody into a corner but that he still feels there’s certainly a possibility for SwanFire which there absolutely is. Just pointing out the difference. It hasn’t been “confirmed” by anybody official with the authority to confirm that. You can love someone deeply and not be in love with them by the end, especially if a lot of time has gone by in between. They very well may find their way back to each other (and I’ve done this with the Colin interviews too-I do try to play fair and see all angles) but everything an actor says it about how they approached these big emotional scenes and needs to be taken with a grain of salt.
When we see actual evidence that Henry is the product of “True Love” or anything else on the show that spells it out as true love (breaking a curse that can only be undone by true love etc.) then I’ll buy more into it but I don’t think any interviews from anybody confirms anything.
Always remember, even the villains always think of themselves as the heroes and in order to play a character convincingly they all have to believe what they’re doing/saying is the right thing to do.
I’ve noticed that MRJ does tend to speak in interviews as if he’s back in Neal’s headspace and to Neal, Emma is the love of his life. He even said he doesn’t know what will happen down road or if that will work out in the longrun, just at that moment last ep that’s what Neal was thinking when he let go.
Unless MRJ (or anybody – I analyze the interviews with everybody this much, I promise!!) has secret knowledge of the future storylines, which I doubt at least to the extent of you’ll end up with so and so, I won’t believe anything til it is seen on the show and/or explained by H&K which better have some basis on what is actually seen.
I’m pretty sure that all JMO knew last year was that Henry’s dad was Baelfire, Rumplestiltskin’s son. I very strongly doubt that they would ever tell her “and this is who you’re going to end up with: ____” because that’s way too far in advance of the journey. She needed to know who Henry’s dad was because obviously her character knew that information already and just wasn’t revealing it at all yet. There’s no reason for the writers to tell anybody in the cast who is going to end up with whom except for the couples that have already been spelled out. It doesn’t help them get to that point on the show if they know in advance and are playing it up to be set in stone. Also things change along the way sometimes (ie: they originally thought of killing off Charming in the first ep), so even if they planned out certain endings they may have revamped them and/or continue to changes things over time. Any show, especially a good one, will see what it has going for it and can still be surprised and change things up. This happened in Lost when Michael Emerson was supposed to b e around for a 3 episode arc as an other pretending to be Henry Gale to get information and they loved him so much that they ended up bringing that character back and making him a very important part of the show. Can you imagine Lost without a Ben Linus played by Michael Emerson?? I sure can't…
On the very positive side of things, (even though I know I don’t seem that way very often since I feel more compelled to defend the less-popular stuff at times because I believe in it too…) enjoy the SwanFire-dedicated thread! I know I like to hang out in the CaptainSwan one for comfort after rounds of being called delusional in shipper wars (and I like both sides even though I have a preference!). Safe havens that are positive and you don’t feel the need to defend yourself are great. I look forward to popping in occasionally even if only to read and better understand where people are coming from and how they’re handling certain things that I’ve had a problem with so far.
“We can agree to disagree without being disagreeable” right? *passes out cookies to the wonderful Oncer family*
Keeper of Hook's Trenchcoat.
MysteryKat25ParticipantCorrect me if I have somehow been mistaken for 2 years but this show is called “Once Upon A Time” & is about fairy tale characters correct? When did it become just “Snow White” and why do people think that??
Yes the start of the show was Snow & Charming and their daughter Emma and their grandson Henry being HUGE important parts of it and of course still are, but it is not JUST about them. They are connected in ways to just about everybody or come across others but Belle is with Rumple who is related to the Charmings now! They are now the Charmingstiltskins + Regina and Belle is part of the Rumple aspect of things.
Slowly over time more and more characters are becoming family and/or very intertwined in the storylines of the main characters. It doesn’t make them any less main characters and core cast members, but there are other people who are just as vital to the storylines and Belle is one of them. She is one of the absolute favorite fairy tale princesses of all time, there is no way they’re just gonna kill her off or ignore the epic RumBelle romance.
It isn’t a case of one fan (or one group of fans) wanting to keep her around because they like her. It’s a practical, logical assumption based on them saying they want her around, and how intertwined she is in the storyline of the main group since she is in a relationship (and a Disney canon relationship that is very popular at that) with Rumple who is obviously important to the show.
It is perfectly fine that you don’t like her HappyEndings and that’s your perogative, but you can’t say that it will only be the Charmings who do anything and say it like it’s a fact when it’s not.
Really they’re not the Charmings (though goodness knows we call them that) but even IF that were the case then it would only be Snow, Charming, Emma, & Henry which we know is not the case because Regina is there too, along with Rumple, Belle, and Hook. Like it or not they are all connected and have some deep connection to NealFire and to Henry which is why they are in the group going. If Belle gets her memories back (which she better and it seems likely that she will) then she better go if only to stop Rumple from seriously losing it and going off the deep end.
*passes out cookies*
Keeper of Hook's Trenchcoat.
MysteryKat25Participant@HappyEndings wrote:
Belle is not a regular: Snow, PC, Emma, Henry, Regina, Gold are the main characters. 😎
Regular = in more than half the season and yes, the actress that plays Belle IS a season regular this year.
Your definition of “regular” = core cast member which is not the same thing. I haven’t heard anything one way or the other about whether she’s going, will be a regular, etc. etc. but it seems popular around here to keep assuming that people like Belle & Hook (both of whom are regulars I might add) should die or be left behind left and right when we have no reason to believe it.
Now as I stated above I can see a situation playing out that does involve her staying but I have no knowledge of whether she goes or not. I’m pretty sure the writers love her and want to keep her around though, just like Hook, which is why they ARE regulars.
Also, Belle was around in the first season and Hook was SUPPOSED to be around in the first season. Why people keep insisting on calling them new, unnecessary or trying to scare their fans that they will be killed off or ignored I just do not know or understand.
RG I hope you’re right and that she goes. I want FightingBelle back!
Keeper of Hook's Trenchcoat.
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