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but if Neal had only known why his father was so afraid of that portal, who he lost the last time he used that bean, and how he tried to dig into the ground a few seconds after he went through. if you look, it’s Bae who pulls his father into the portal and his father is holding his arm trying to “rescue” him from that green whirl. not only that rhight after he is shown the bean he looses his nerve. he says something like ”this is a trick to tear us apart..” or something. I think the circumstances of this abandonment were very much against Rumpel
Bae was trying to help his father to start fresh, in a new world, where no one knew who he was, and he wouldn’t have his magic. Bae had no way of knowing how similar the entire situation was to what Rumple had gone through with Malcolm, because Rumple never told him, and Bae wasn’t a mind reader. As far as Bae knew, he was just trying to help save his father, (sacrificing the only life and world that he himself had known, willing to give it all up, for the sake of his father’s soul being saved), and Rumple was a selfish coward who couldn’t give up his power, and as a result of that he ended up lost and alone in a foreign world, then in another one, then in another one, fending for himself for centuries.
I love Rumple a ridiculous amount, he’s been my fave character since the instant we first saw him, but there’s no denying that it was his own decision and his own fault that he let go of Bae’s hand, and took the coward’s way out in that particular instance.
Had Rumple said, when Bae produced the bean, “Son, I know I said I’d do anything, but I have to tell you something about the last time I used a bean to make a portal. I was a boy like yourself, trying to save my father, so we could start a new life in a new world where no one knew us. When we got there, to Neverland, my father made a deal with a shadowy creature who lived there, that if the creature took me away, he could stay and be forever young. And the creature tore me away, and I never saw my father again…until that night at the bonfire, when you were dancing with the other boys who had been lured away from their homes. The Piper was my father, come back to try and steal you from me. So I sort of have issues when it comes to father/son pairs using a magic bean to make a portal to an unknown land to start fresh.” Then Bae would have been more understanding from the getgo, probably would have talked it out some more, assured his father that the same thing wouldn’t happen, and then maybe Rumple would have felt OK enough about it all to jump into the portal with him. (And then we’d have no show.)
But Rumple couldn’t tell Bae those things back then because as the DO he’d become accustomed to not showing vulnerability, and so he was afraid to be honest. So he let Bae lead him out into the woods, and throw down the bean, and at that last moment is when Rumple really, completely lost his nerve, but by then it was too late to stop it, too late to explain, and the result was a centuries old grudge by the time Neal saw him again.
But I say again, Neal had no way to know the truth in order to properly understand what had happened. All he knew was what he experienced from his own perspective, and from his own perspective it was straight up traumatic and he thought his father was an evil, power hungry maniac coward, who didn’t love him. So IMO his reaction to him when he saw him again was completely justified. His distrust in NL was completely justified. It was up to Rumple to prove himself to Neal, and eventually he did.
None of it was Nealfire’s fault. He’d just been a kid trying to help his dad, and he got screwed over and emotionally scarred.
[adrotate group="5"]now that he died for him, I hope Bae will at least have more respect for his father
He regained respect for him before he died.
Rumple: Bae.
Neal: Papa.
Rumple: Where’s Henry?
Neal: He’s safe, he’s safe.
Rumple: I told you I wasn’t going to hurt the boy.
Neal: I know, I’m sorry. Why didn’t you tell me Pan was your father?
Rumple: Because I didn’t want you to know that I was as bad a father as he was. Because we’re both the same, me and him. Because we both abandoned our sons.
Neal: No, you’re not the same. You came back for me, Papa.And after Rumple had vanished, Neal said with an anguished mix of pride and sorrow: “My father did what he had to. He saved us.”
Their relationship played out well IMO, and came full circle by the end. There was forgiveness and acceptance by the time they left NL, and then Rumple did the brave thing to save them, unlike over the portal all those years ago when he’d saved himself.
How many cookies do I get if August actually shows up in 312?
All of them. I would fall out of my chair in amazement. Sorta like how we were surprised at the Black Fairy mention….
LOL Would be good if there was video of Eion answering the question, to see what he actually said. Just seems to me that if he said it very definitely, it’s more likely that he’s already shot something. If he’s just been booked in, or has just been told that he’ll be needed again at some point, but hasn’t actually shot anything yet, isn’t it a bit risky to be officially confirming that he’ll be back, and giving away the spoiler?
The thing that makes me most suspicious is the pic of Pinocchio’s hat. Either there was a Pinocchio scene that got cut, or he’s gonna be referenced in 312.
That pic of Pinocchio’s hat by the water was tweeted on Nov 5, which was when they were shooting 311, (VCF’s photos of the church were posted on Nov 5). We never saw Pinocchio, with or without his hat, in either 310 or 311. We know that during the shooting of 311, they also shot that Emma/Henry/Hook Bug scene, which was rumoured to be for 312, and now it seems that is the case.
How many cookies do I get if August actually shows up in 312? 😛
For the jail time maybe Emma, August and Snow talk about this together
August will appear in flashback, in present day, he’s a child.
Here is something interesting from Tumblr
– Fate, destiny whatever you wanna call it –
8:15 – 8+15 = 23 (LOST numbers)Would someone who watched “LOST” please tell me the significance of the numbers 8:15 and 23?
Speaking of numbers, I saw a thing on tumblr recently where it had a screencap of Henry at the bus station, and you could see the numbers 3 and 4, and then it had a screencap of Neal at the train station, and you could see the number 5.
It’s not a LOSTie number thing, might not even be significant at all, but it stuck in my brain nonetheless because maybe they went back to re-watch the scene of Henry in a mass transit station in 101 to see if they could use anything from it as setup for Neal’s scene in a mass transit station in 201.merry christmas swanfires love how alove this thread is keep at it 😀 heres an early xmas present
Thanks for the pretty Christmas pressies, Lauren! 🙂
calling out to a young Emma staring out that very window as she watches the boy with the hoodie run away. Closes in on her face and wonders why she can’t shake the feeling that she will see him again.
Please let something like this happen!!!
Of course my mental fanficition has taken off with Neal feels himself getting to emotional, excuse himself saying the fire is getting low and he will get some firewood. Where he starts to cry (because he lost, his father, Emma, Henry, Darlings, all in one day and he just learn his grandfather wanted to kill him) but Charming follows him and tell him its okay, empathize with him and encourages him, assures him that no matter what He is family and will always be family. They hugs not as bros but as “father” and “son.” Then he says come on we will bring that firewood back together. And of course Snow is comforting Belle because of course she is now family to.
Family feels, Goes off to cry.
I can totally see that playing out in my head. So bittersweet! It huuuuurrrrts!
People found Neal wanting another chance with Emma offputting due to the recent nature of his engagement? Do these same people have no problem with Hook taunting Emma into kissing him and and imagining he’s in love with Emma 4 – 5 days after leaving her for dead?
Yes they did. And yes they have no problem with it. The double standards make me wanna *HEADDESK*.
I look forward to the new perspective on things that Emma will have after regaining her memories. In Emma’s previous reality (real reality?) she gave up Henry and put her feelings in a box, choosing not to deal with them. Her reaction to Neal in Manhattan was raw pain. However, raising Henry will have forced her to deal with Neal and the way he left and to have processed some of her emotions. Not all. Neal left and it still hurts Emma, but everytime Henry makes a friend they both have to address where his dad is. Every parent/teacher conference Emma has to confront Neal’s absence. Anything that happened during the Lost Year are real memories. I think that when Neal and Emma meet again, she will be coming from a different emotional place. Still angry, but not raw.
That’a a really excellent point, and it could well be another reason they decided to do this time jump, so that Emma will be in a different place emotionally now when it comes to Neal, so it’s setting up a situation where their relationship can progress with new understanding, and less pain.
OMG that Neal post! How can people not sympathise with this character?! OMG I need to hug him, right now!!
As for the writers altering things to give in to the fanbase, it’s the nature of the medium that if something seems to not be popular with the masses, or if it just doesn’t end up materialising in a way the writers themselves had hoped, they’ve gotta be open to altering things along the way. I think (hope) that with the case of Emma and Neal’s story, it’s such an integral part of the basis of the whole show that it’s a vision they won’t be swayed from, (especially after they were briefly tempted to switch things up when everyone guessed that Neal was Bae, but ultimately decided to remain committed to their original vision).
I dunno what the exact source of this is, but apparently Eion suggested in an interview at some point that the original plan was to have a love triangle between August/Emma/Neal. Then along came Hook, and he was SO popular, and fans instantly started shipping CS, so it made sense for the writers to adjust their vision, and transplant Hook into the triangle instead of their original plan. If what Eion said is actually true, then a triangle of some sort has always been their plan, and the common denominators were Emma and Neal, which means whoever the third person is, they’re intended at be an obstacle for the endgame couple.
So let’s say that by the latter half of S2, they’d decided that that was gonna be the new triangle, which is why they wrote August being turned into a kid again, (I’ll be forever annoyed by that nonsense), but they still kept writing Hook as doing crappy stuff, even right up to the recent eps, like the thing with hitting on Tink. Meanwhile, they’ve still been writing Neal as being in love with Emma, and vice versa, but it being hard for them to get it together. So while they might have re-imagined the specifics of the triangle, and as a result have been throwing in some CS moments here and there, it seems to me that their original endgame vision is still intact.
What scares me is the “no loopholes” line.
Ah but there’s gotta be a loophole. 😉
“Because I have a job to finish, and I have to do it, whatever it takes, no loopholes. And what needs to be done has a price, a price I’m finally willing to pay. I used the Curse to find you, Bae, to tell you I made a mistake, to make sure you had a chance at happiness, and that happiness is possible, just not with me. I accept that. I love you, Bae. And I love you Belle. You made me stronger.”
“You see, the only way for you to die, is if we both die, and now, now, I’m ready.”
Don’t forget that this whole time, Rumple has unquestioningly believed that his “undoing” translated to his actual death, but that’s just his interpretation of the prophecy, so even though he’s making those big statements about dying, that’s not necessarily what’s intended to happen.
Perhaps there was always more than one way to be released from the DO curse, and that other way was finding the courage to make that selfless act of sacrifice. It’s not something that’s easily done when you’re consumed by dark magic and have oodles of power to control everyone, (that power rush is hella addictive), so no previous DO had done it. But Rumple’s the exception, because he was the DO who had the specific people and circumstances in his life that empowered him to overcome it. So that action of sacrificing himself, and all that power, was a superhuman action, which was able to override and obliterate the dark magic, (hence the pretty glowy light). And his willingness to commit to that act meant that it wasn’t a condition of the whole process that he died, which is typically believed to be the only way a DO can lose their powers.
For now, I’m sticking with the idea that Rumple’s wound wasn’t a serious enough one that it killed him. Malcolm’s certainly was. I’m imagining the next time we see Rumple, he’s sitting beside a fresh grave, because they both got transported to the same place, but he was the only one still alive. Where that place is, I’m not sure. Perhaps it sent them back to the start, to whatever hovel Rumple was born in, and that’s where the others will find him, and maybe by the time they do, he’ll be mostly dead,(because unlike Neal, Rumple didn’t have anyone like MAP to come along and help treat him), and then Belle will nurse him back to health.
It would get them around having to bring back someone else who was supposed to be dead. With Blue it was, “What in the actual, I thought dead was dead? Oh OK, losing your shadow doesn’t makes you 100% dead, huh?” If they try to find a loophole like that with Rumple too, they might be pushing it, so it could make more sense for them to not actually have him die to begin with.
I’ll probably have completely changed my mind by this time next week, but for right now, this is my headcanon.
