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Their reunion was perfect! The tie fixing shot really got me. It was such a private, domestic moment, where she was looking after him. So sweet. They’re just wonderful together, and I’m glad they are finally, actually back together.

For a moment there, I thought maybe he was actually going to propose to her!

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RG, you must look at this:

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*dying whale sounds coming from Jo*

That moment was so perfect! That and Neal’s group hug with the Darlings, both made me actually applaud and grin like a completely idiot. 😀 <3

[quote=228914]Ariel and Eric’s reunion was the most rushed thing ever. I don’t know, I felt like it was a case where they didn’t have enough time to develop more for their reunion, and just tacked it on to the beginning of this episode. Like, I would have thought that Eric would have asked about why Ariel stood him up, instead of just instantly kissing her without even saying much. I’m glad they at least showed the reunion, rather than having them already reunited offscreen.[/quote]
Agreed. And like, seriously, one moment he's hacking the heads off fish, and then he's suddenly kissing the mermaid. It just seemed rushed and completely un-romantic and like they were checking off a box because they had to show them reunited somehow, but it wasn't gonna be a focus of the ep.

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What I love about Emma’s smile in that scene is that it’s not an exasperated “dude leave me alone already,” smile. It’s like she’s thinking, “Resist the urge to smile at the adorably understanding puppy, resist, res-oh-screw it, he’s just so adorable and understanding and I’m so happy he’s here.”

I hope Neal doesn’t think that Emma doesn’t want to try because she didn’t show up for lunch, but I’m betting that’s how it will go. So while Neal “will stop bugging” her–his words–this means that Emma will hopefully openly persue him. Meaning that it becomes her choice if she wants to tell Neal that she was coming to see him.

Oh Neal will totally think that Emma doesn’t want to try, seeing as how she didn’t show up. That’s how ship angst works! 😉 But yeah, it’ll mean that the control of the situation really has been put into Emma’s hands, and it’s up to her if he knows she was going to see him or not, and I think that’ll be a good thing.

For sure, I’m upset with him too! You won’t see me giving Hook a free pass just because of his good looks. Yet, what I believe Phee was saying is that by showing his BAD FORM it’s really a win for Swanfire, since if Hook really were a man of honor, then he might actually have a lasting chance with Emma. By showing his true colors he’s revealing himself to the audience to be a man of dubious character (well at least to those of us who haven’t been blinded by his “devilishly handsome” good looks), which Hook is quick to point out to everyone in earshot. “Hey, look at me, I’m hott!” To me that sounds like Hook needs constant affirmation, praise and attention, and instead of telling is friend he’s laying off Emma due to some bro code, it’s really about getting Emma to notice his good looks, while hoping to arouse her jealousy by allowing her to believe he’s unfettered by her and Neal by hooking up with Tinkerbell.

Yep. I think he wants to believe he can be that man of honour again like he was way back when, but really, he can’t just flip off the negative traits that have been a part of him for the better part of a life that’s lasted a couple centuries. He’s sort of a hot mess and is unable to do what’s truly right at the moment, and I think that’s actually fitting for him right now. Much as I’m longing for some sincerity between CaptainFire, with the way they’ve written Hook lately, I wouldn’t find it believable if he did claim he was backing off because of the bro code. In NL, when Emma was all, “Well, you’re a pirate,” he sorta looked like, “Yeah, everyone’s kinda stuck on that, huh,” so it’s not a stigma they’re letting him easily shake off, or let go of himself.

(But he is right about the devilishly handsome bit IMO, and that line actually made me literally LOL. 😉 /shallow)

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PP was studying Henry’s book for the reason of enacting the dark curse again, and I think the BF was in his way and would’ve blown his cover, so he had the shadow silence BF.

Yeah, even if he had no prior knowledge of Blue, just reading the book would have given him the hint that she’d help everyone find a way out of a NewCurse, so it makes sense he’d have to eliminate her.

I’m not convinced that “dead is dead” will necessarily apply in this case. they can get around it with Blue having been technically an immortal fairy, even if she’s currently in human form.

We’ve been speculating that Rumple will be mostly dead and Belle will revive him, so if that is gonna happen with the most powerful dark magic person in the next ep, then I could see them doing the same thing with the most powerful light magic person as well. Also, considering pics that have been put out there recently, I’m confident we haven’t seen the last of blue. (Dunno if I can post a twitpic link without it embedding, so will mess up the URLs a bit in case it’s considered spoilery.) We’re definitely seeing her in Blue for again, judging by this pic from Dec 2: pic(.)twitter(.)com/HUibn6YSAH And she’s in Mother Superior mode in this pic from Nov 26: pic(.)twitter(.)com/cdhR9I4hz9 and I’m inclined to think that that was a recent pic, because Raphael put this pic on his FB on Dec 2, and it looks like it was taken in a similar setting to that pic of just Keegan, and they’ve got Jared with them, which means it can’t have been a pic from any S3 ep filming for anything we’ve seen yet: https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=665030726851752&set=pb.233372020017627.-2207520000.1386566397.&type=3&theater So I suspect we’re gonna see her revived somehow.

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The smoke we see bubbling up is green. The smoke we see rolling past the clock tower is purple. Maybe the green smoke doesn’t even have anything to do with the NewCurse? Maybe that’s gonna be a thing at the end where Rebecca Mader’s character shows up? If she’s WWW, then green smoke would totally fit.

Anyway, the whatever that is that’s coming from Regina, I think has to be a counter-NewCurse attempt of some sort. If the NewCurse would send everyone back where they came from, then it’d take both her and Emma away from Henry, (actually it’d take everyone in his family away, and leave him totally alone), and she’s not gonna just let that happen without attempting to stop it.

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Also Emma is not the savior to Neal, she is just his Emma.

YES! He’s pretty much the only person she hasn’t had to play Saviour for. Instead, he’s the one who is gonna be there for her to lean on, when the rest of the world is leaning on her. They’re such a freaking perfect match, I can’t even!!!

BTW-Some CS person butted into my conversation with someone else on Twitter tonight and said that they thought CS was endgame because of the long time they’ve spent setting it up. I wasn’t about to argue with her over it but I did point out that if she doesn’t see that there’s also a set up for SF, then I don’t think we’re watching the same show. Oy vey….the Triangle of Doom has GOT to go. 🙁

*sigh* SF had groundwork being laid for it in the very first ep, because he was the reason for the Curse and she was the one destined to break it. You can’t get much more comprehensive setup than something that began in the first episode of the whole show. Just. Sayin’.

Hook didn’t seem in “whitewash” Hero Mode anymore today though. Pointing out that Neal walked out on Emma once (and really what does he know about it?) was not really a “friendly” thing to say.

Also, friendly reminder to Hook that he himself actually walked out on her in very recent history too, when he left her in a magically fortified cell in an abandoned land, to just wither away and most likely die. People in glass houses, Hook m’dear.

First–did I miss something or was there no explanation for Wendy having the robe? SOmetimes my DVR eats the first few minutes but it felt like suddenly Hook and Neal were sort-of getting along. Was it just the “I’ll back off” speech in the diner?

I was so bummed that we didn’t get a scene about Hook having kept the robe. *sigh* I guess there wasn’t really room for such a scene with the way they showed the story progressing, but they could have had it in the previous ep instead.

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Gah! I love daddy charming. His talk with Emma is what I want to see more of in terms of father/daughter relationship. It hit all the right notes on him giving her advice to grasp the happy moments, when Emma was too afraid of allowing herself that luxury. I still believe Emma doesn’t want to let Neal in because the moment she’s happy she’s afraid that bad things will happen again. I like that Charming tries to tell her that those are the moments that you should grab onto. It wasn’t because Emma believes Neal is a bad guy and is not right for her, it’s because she’s too afraid to let herself have her happy moment. And she was about to go to Granny’s with Charming!!!!! WHY? Because Neal is waiting for her!!!! She wanted to give her dad’s advice a shot!!!! 🙂 *happy dance!*

Daddy Charming FTW!!! It really was a beautiful family moment, because he was seeing Snow in Emma, and was using his experience with Snow to help their daughter decide what the right thing to do was, and I JUST REALLY LOVED THAT SCENE OK.

Emma was totally fighting the urge to go on the lunch date because she’s afraid of the next bad thing that’s lurking around the corner, just waiting to tear them apart again if they do manage to get it together, (we’ve seen her straight up say that the thing she’s scared of is facing all the pain again). Same thing as Snow having wanted to make everything happy and safe before having a child. But eventually Snow realised that they just had to go for it, and whatever may come, they’d overcome it. And some crap did happen when they had that child, they were separated for 28 years and are still struggling to put their relationship back together somehow, but they’re working on it, and they’re getting there. Just like bad stuff happened when SF were together last time, and yeah, bad stuff will probably happen again, but that doesn’t mean that they can’t overcome it, struggle through, and come out of the other side of the trials still together, still a family.

I’d been kinda “meh” when I heard that we were gonna get even more Snowing vs Regina flashbacks, but the moral at the end of this little part of the story, it was totally saying that you’ve gotta just go for it in the name of love. And then Emma got up and was actually going to Granny’s, to see Neal. So now I’m all about loving those Snowing vs Regina flashbacks.

I don’t think Neal was being pushy. I think he honestly didn’t know how to approach things with her. He originally just wanted them to talk, just the two of them, and when she didn’t know how to react to that he brought up just sitting together and having lunch. Emma never looked annoyed with him or anything and she even gave him a little smile so I think she just wasn’t prepared to have him want to talk about things this soon. A lot of time has passed but Neal has also been waiting for a long time just to see her again much less talk to her so I can see him being nervous and unsure of himself.

Agreed. I think he handled it really well. He put himself out there, let her know that he was there, and wanted to spend time with her, but when she was wary of his intentions, he altered his approach and MADE HER SMILE. Just the other day on tumblr I saw a comment from someone about how Neal did stop fighting for her, even though he said he wouldn’t. Well, his actions in this ep disprove that anti sentiment, because he let her know that he’s still very much there for her.

My heart actually broke for both of them tonight. Seeing his face while he was sitting alone in the diner (OMG, I was in tears and am about to cry again)

I wanted to hug him so bad!!!

Personally, I don’t think the order of relationships matters on this show. They don’t seem to do things by the book, so to speak, so I’m not too worried about the Triangle of Doom and who comes first. I honestly don’t think SF is actually going to COME first right now.

I don’t think the “order” really matters either, because I really don’t think they’re writing it like a stereotypical triangle, but if you do wanna look at it in “order”, well, she kissed Hook and hasn’t shown any interest in him since, so I’d say the CS bit has come first already.

So much for no trickery lol ‘perhaps’ really Hook?! I get that his coping mechanism for his pain is to get with other girls, but I thought he would have made some development and wouldn’t have reverted back to his old ways (I am glad he didn’t though because I loved S2 Hook haha). I think we have seen the last of his ‘backing of’ if you can call it that.

As someone who is a long time Hook fan, I actually liked that they had him acting like that in this ep. I’d love some redemption for him eventually, but the recent woobification of him was starting to be a detriment to the character IMO, so I’m glad they’ve turned it around. Seeing some old school, undeniably inappropriate Hook again was actually kind of refreshing. And I can’t imagine they’re writing him in this way right now if they intend for Emma to actually fall for him, so him acting like this is a pro for SF. If they do have Emma actually fall for him, having shown him acting like this, then I’ll be annoyed, because they’ll be writing Emma as being a fool, but as long as they’re showing him to be the total opposite of who he wanted Emma to believe he was, and she doesn’t fall for it, I don’t mind.

The fake backing off, the getting drunk and hitting on Tink, the “perhaps” to try and made Emma jealous, that’s all the epitome of BAD FORM. I think (hope) that eventually he’s gonna realise that bad form doesn’t really pay off, and then hopefully we can get some genuine change towards redemption stuff happening for him. I think right now, they’re painting him with a bad brush to help shut down the triangle. Of course, CSers will still interpret this ep in a ship-able way, and I guess my own bias is colouring my interpretation too, but it just seems to me like they’re actively trying to show Hook as not even being a real contender, because he’s still kind of a douchebag.

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And while I’m at it, here’s the scene where Evanora’s pendant gets broken and she transforms into a haggy witch…

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Just re-read Watcher’s post. So Theodora turned evil when she ate an apple?

Here’s the scene where she eats the apple and transforms…

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Still wearing the green pendant though the rest of her costume has changed. That pendant is totally gonna be a thing.

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